Push to close Bunda St?

johnboy 29 May 2009 45

The Canberra Times brings rumblings from the Greens and Pedal Power that they’d like to see cars removed from Bunda St in Civic.

    They also want the Government to, at the very least, consider a dedicated cycling lane along Bunda Street as part of a planned $4million revamp of the thoroughfare.

    But Chief Minister Jon Stanhope is against any ban on vehicles in Bunda Street, saying they ”have the effect of actually providing some life” in the area.

Closing might be a bit strong, but a one-way system might have some merit?

In any event, Pedal Power seem to have a way of getting what they want in this town, watch this space.

Interestingly the CT also has a bit on plans in Queanbeyan to close roads in their town centre.


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grunta123 grunta123 1:49 pm 31 May 09

Walk backwards and forwards over the pedestrian crossings all day every day for a week. Those clowns who insist on driving up and down Bunda street will soon give up. The we will have pedestrian nirvana. Ahhhhh Hours of mindless enjoyment.

el el 6:19 pm 30 May 09

Close it, pave it, allow only service vehicles and taxis through at a 20km/h speed limit in one direction. It’s bloody horrible as it is, and I can’t believe folks are saying that cars and trucks add ambience or character to the area.

astrojax astrojax 4:56 pm 30 May 09

…or just build the dragway on bunda street, sort out a few problems, won’t it…

NickD NickD 10:21 am 30 May 09

ChrisinTurner said :

The current speed limit in Bunda Street is 50 km/hr which is much too high. Similar streets in Europe are either 20 or 30 km/hr.

You’d have to be lucky to get a car up to 50 km/hr on Bunda Street at any time!

I’m all for closing the street to non-delivery traffic. Only an idiot would drive down it and I’ve had a few near misses walking across the pedestrian crossings when frustrated drivers try to beat me across the crossing.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 8:41 am 30 May 09

You may also be aware that you are not permitted to drive across a pedestrian crossing until the pedestrian is no longer on the crossing.

I was taught that at a pedestrian crossing (zebra stripes) you had to ‘give way’ to pedestrians meaning that you could drive through once they were no longer in front of you. On school crossings you had to wait until the pedestrian was clear of the crossing and you couldn’t drive through until the pedestrian had left the road. That was in Victoria though – not the ACT where, as we know people have no clue about how to drive.

bd84 bd84 12:23 am 30 May 09

Bunda St should have been blocked off to traffic when the new part of the Canberra Centre was built. There is only one logical reason why anyone would want to drive along it, and that is for delivery drivers to deliver goods to the shops. I watch cars go along there everyday and sit waiting in traffic at the various pedestrian crossings as the large volume of people flow across, and think why on earth would you even bother. The road doesn’t go anywhere and it’s quicker to use corrinderk st and go around.

Cars do not add “ambience” to the street, nor do they bring in any extra business as some business owners claim.

Close it off, speed limit of 10kph for service and business vehicles only add allowance for taxis for near guses and give way to pedestrians at all times. They manage to do similar things in places like Pitt St Mall in Sydey, no reason it wouldn’t work well here.

ChrisinTurner ChrisinTurner 9:48 pm 29 May 09

The current speed limit in Bunda Street is 50 km/hr which is much too high. Similar streets in Europe are either 20 or 30 km/hr.

deye deye 9:03 pm 29 May 09

p1 said :

Which is why I think one way is a good idea, or maybe slow speed limit. Maybe they could put a speed camera in the middle of Bunda Street?

no one would go fast enough along there to trigger it.

kobez_outlaw kobez_outlaw 7:35 pm 29 May 09

#22 Good comment. Bunda St is one of the only places in Canberra that has a decent vibe about it on weekends. No doubt it will still have a good vibe without the road, but it won’t be the same. I love having all the people around and the hotted up cars cruising past on a friday and saturday night, it makes Canberra more interesting. However, one way could possibly work if they do it right. It would be nice if they made the street at footpath level and possibly paved it instead of tarmac? If the area was completely shut off to cars I think we would have the same problem as Gerema Place has during the day ie deadshits, druggo’s, skaters and just plain freakish kids everywhere. That is the last thing we want.

Deckard Deckard 6:27 pm 29 May 09

caf said :

5km/h is a bit hard to maintain, that’s literally walking pace.

I’ve read somewhere, might have been the NRMA mag, that 5km was impossible speed to drive a car at and that most speedos start at 10. So having a 5km/h zone is just pointless.

Special G Special G 5:48 pm 29 May 09

Revamp Bunda St and City Walk at the same time to make both of them one way shared zones.

Ryan Ryan 5:28 pm 29 May 09

I think a Childers Street style arrangement could work well on Bunda Street. Most motorists know to avoid that street unless they actually need to use it, and there’s a huge amount of pedestrian traffic in the area.

And it REALLY needs a facelift.

Gobbo said :

You may also be aware that you are not permitted to drive across a pedestrian crossing until the pedestrian is no longer on the crossing.

I’m generally the person who, if walking towards a crossing and seeing a car has been there for a while, will stop and wave the car through. Of course, often my kind deed is undone by some tosser crossing the other way who keeps walking while everyone else stops.

That said, if there’s some idiot who pulls up, revving the engine to indicate irritation at having to stop for a single person, I’ll take my sweet time walking across the crossing, possibly throwing a bemused glance in their direction

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 4:54 pm 29 May 09

How many demerit points is the wrong way at 80km worth?

Not as many as if you were doing 20km/h but the speedo said 80km/h… Would be a tad smelly, though.

caf caf 4:34 pm 29 May 09

5km/h is a bit hard to maintain, that’s literally walking pace.

20 would be more practical, and hence enforceable.

Sgt.Bungers Sgt.Bungers 3:47 pm 29 May 09

#22. I’m not calling for all Canberra streets to be tranformed like this. Nor am I calling for motor vehicles to be banned altogether on Bunda Street. I’m calling for streets to be designed with the aim of the majority of street users in mind, which does not happen in Australia at the moment. In commercial areas, this is typically people on foot. Surely if the majority of people in a given area are pedestrians, it’s only fair that their needs be catered for above the needs of the minority in cars.

Motorised traffic on Bunda street typically rolls at 20-30km/h, when cars aren’t stopped at pedestrian crossings. Why would it be such an issue for cars to slow to 5-10km/h? If there are no crossings and people in cars and people on foot mingle nicely, then people in cars will not have to wait a minute or two at each pedestrian crossing, as pedestrians may cross wherever they like. With cars rolling at a more constant 5km/h, it’s likely not to change vehicle travel time, whilst making the area more pleasant for everyone.

Where “shared space” areas have been implemented around the world, businesses always record increased sales. This can only mean increased numbers of people on foot, more people enjoying the area. People don’t shop when they’re driving. As a result, property values rise, the area becomes nicer still, the area becomes more livable still. The wins keep coming.

Personally I would prefer a fountain and a couple of trees to slow cars instead of a speed hump, some white lines and some street signs.

It’s not the sound of cars rushing past that creates a city vibe, it’s the people. Get more people into an area and the vibe will improve.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 3:45 pm 29 May 09

“one way and 20k would balance a lot of the concerns though.”

How many demerit points is the wrong way at 80km worth?

p1 p1 3:03 pm 29 May 09

You may also be aware that you are not permitted to drive across a pedestrian crossing until the pedestrian is no longer on the crossing.

The wording (back when I did my licence), also said that you had to stop and wait if someone is “approaching” the crossing. Which is really vague in a place like Bunda St where you can see people coming from miles away…

turtle turtle 2:14 pm 29 May 09

Forget about the traffic closure thing – what Pedal Power and the Greens have been saying as their main goal is that Bunda St should be one way, with a separated cycle lane. Just like this:

http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/rsrc/PDFs/WalkingSkatingCycling/BikeFactSheet.pdf

Good for cars, bikes and pedestrians, and safer too. That way everyone should be happy. Government doesn’t seem to be interested in this idea at all though.

Kods Kods 2:09 pm 29 May 09

TP 3000 said :

If Bunda Street is closed, where am I going to go to abuse cyclists who ride across zebra crossings & taxi’s that cut in front of me?

I am sure they will migrate to somewhere else!

Gobbo Gobbo 2:09 pm 29 May 09

I have terrible memories of Bunda Street. *shudders*

When I was going for my drivers licence, I was required to drive up Bunda Street during lunchtime.

You will be aware that there were two sets of pedestrian crossings along that street.

You will be aware that at lunchtime many pedestrians want to cross at those two crossings.

You may also be aware that you are not permitted to drive across a pedestrian crossing until the pedestrian is no longer on the crossing. I was well aware of this. My defacto brother-in-law had sat for his test shortly before me. He failed it on a pedestrian crossing violation.

Now I know as responsible drivers, we all cautiously proceed once the pedestrian has passed our section of the road, but you can’t do that as a learner taking your test.

If you were behind me on that day, I am sorry.

Snarky Snarky 2:00 pm 29 May 09

And in this case I think Stanhope’s right – cars DO bring a bit of life to the area. I don’t like fumes if I’m eating either, but the whole of Garema Place, City Walk etc is there to avoid that.

JB has the right idea – one way and 20k. I’d vote for that! (and a cycle lane)

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