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RiotVotes: Your city, your questions

By Charlotte Harper 26 April 2016 60

Tuggeranong

In just over five months, Canberrans will go the polls to decide who will run the ACT for the next four years.

We want to make sure that your questions about your city are answered before you vote, so we’ve decided to put your key concerns to each candidate, one electorate at a time, in the months ahead.

RiotACT will devote a month of coverage to each of the five electorates, starting in May with the largest in area and furthest from the Legislative Assembly: Brindabella.

Murrumbidgee, Ginninderra, Yerrabi and Kurrajong will follow in June, July, August and September respectively.

This week, we want to hear from residents of Brindabella in the comments below. What’s working in your suburb? Your town centre? What’s not? Are you happy with the way the ACT Government and your local members are handling local issues, or could they be doing more, or doing things differently?

Are services in the areas of health, education and transport sufficient? Are there big issues in your area that need addressing and haven’t been?

What are the top five questions you’d like us to put to each candidate in Brindabella? And the top five suggestions? Let us know by end of Wednesday, May 4, as our first interview is on Thursday.

Tuggeranong

We look forward to getting some answers for you, and in the process helping you to get to know all the candidates you’ll be choosing between on October 15 (or shortly before or after that day if submitting a pre-poll or postal vote).

Please note, the Brindabella electorate has changed a little since last election, with Tharwa, Greenway, Bonython, Gordon, Banks, Conder, Theodore, Calwell, Isabella Plains, Richardson, Chisholm, Gilmore, Macarthur, Fadden, Wanniassa, Oxley, Monash and Gowrie remaining, but Chifley, Pearce, Mawson, Farrer and Kambah no longer included. The latter five now form part of the Murrumbidgee electorate, which takes in Woden Valley, Weston Creek and Molonglo Valley.

If you are an independent running in Brindabella or candidate there for a party other than the Liberals, Labor or Greens, please provide your contact details via the comments below (not for publication) and we will be in touch to arrange interviews.

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rubaiyat 7:36 pm 10 May 16

Rustygear said :

gooterz said :

Texpat said :

As we expand the number of serving politicians the question of extraordinarily generous retirement benefits becomes more important.

There is no reason why politicians should be paid for life for a job they no longer perform. To properly serve their constituents they should have lives and remuneration in line with everybody else, which may ground them better in their decision making.

In reality their decisions are often reckless and irresponsible, costing their constituents large sums of money, not just in misallocated tax spending but in charges and incoherent and counterproductive paperwork and bureaucratic obstacles.

Towards this necessary reform of our political system I encourage Canberrans to sign this partition:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians

Don’t you just love the Spellchuckers, that should of course be “petition”.

I did have to laugh that a proposal to ‘Partition’ off Tuggeranong would probably get more support than a ‘petition’ to reduce Pollie Superannuation.

If Tuggeranong wants its “independence” we should start practicing our woeful sad expressions.

Wouldn’t want to give the game away until they are safely gone.

We need to ask the Czechs how they kept a straight face when the Slovaks said they wanted out.

bj_ACT 4:54 pm 10 May 16

gooterz said :

Texpat said :

As we expand the number of serving politicians the question of extraordinarily generous retirement benefits becomes more important.

There is no reason why politicians should be paid for life for a job they no longer perform. To properly serve their constituents they should have lives and remuneration in line with everybody else, which may ground them better in their decision making.

In reality their decisions are often reckless and irresponsible, costing their constituents large sums of money, not just in misallocated tax spending but in charges and incoherent and counterproductive paperwork and bureaucratic obstacles.

Towards this necessary reform of our political system I encourage Canberrans to sign this partition:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians

Don’t you just love the Spellchuckers, that should of course be “petition”.

I did have to laugh that a proposal to ‘Partition’ off Tuggeranong would probably get more support than a ‘petition’ to reduce Pollie Superannuation.

rubaiyat 12:17 pm 10 May 16

Texpat said :

As we expand the number of serving politicians the question of extraordinarily generous retirement benefits becomes more important.

There is no reason why politicians should be paid for life for a job they no longer perform. To properly serve their constituents they should have lives and remuneration in line with everybody else, which may ground them better in their decision making.

In reality their decisions are often reckless and irresponsible, costing their constituents large sums of money, not just in misallocated tax spending but in charges and incoherent and counterproductive paperwork and bureaucratic obstacles.

Towards this necessary reform of our political system I encourage Canberrans to sign this partition:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians

Don’t you just love the Spellchuckers, that should of course be “petition”.

rubaiyat 11:11 am 10 May 16

As we expand the number of serving politicians the question of extraordinarily generous retirement benefits becomes more important.

There is no reason why politicians should be paid for life for a job they no longer perform. To properly serve their constituents they should have lives and remuneration in line with everybody else, which may ground them better in their decision making.

In reality their decisions are often reckless and irresponsible, costing their constituents large sums of money, not just in misallocated tax spending but in charges and incoherent and counterproductive paperwork and bureaucratic obstacles.

Towards this necessary reform of our political system I encourage Canberrans to sign this partition:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians

Observing 3:56 pm 09 May 16

madelini said :

Arthur Davies said :

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

I don’t believe that 10,000 cars a day figure. That is about the same for Canberra Avenue between Queanbeyan and Canberra.
Also, I can only recall two fatal car accidents in recent times on Sternberg Crescent in Wanniassa. One of these was a pedestrian.

You can doubt it if you want but…….According to TAMS 9,400 a day (and that’s just at the Erindale end – so the whole road will be well over 10k). http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/traffic/residential-street-improvement-program/sternberg-crescent,-wanniassa

At a community meeting about Sternberg in 2013 they had data about two fatal accidents and a plethora of severe injuries and heavy crashes (including pedestrian) unfortunately this was followed later the next year (2014) by a 3rd fatality around Sternberg/Houston.

Surely the data and news reports are enough for people to think something has to be done around the road and it’s intersections.

I live in the area and use Sternberg Crescent every day, sometimes several times. Possibly, because I am semi-retired and always plan trips with plenty of time up my sleeve I don’t experience any abnormal problems driving through the area but it may be different for “rat-runners”.
If the “rat-runners” were not there, would there be any need for these proposed traffic changes to be made?
I still don’t believe that 9,400 vehicles a day figure either. Can you provide a link to where that information came from?

You mean the link that was provided in the reply above?

I believe that figure because I do drive through that area every day. A lot of traffic moves through that roundabout. With the changes to the roundabout where both lanes can turn right on to Erindale Drive, it has encouraged rat-running even more as they get right of way. Meanwhile the fools who do the right thing and drive down Erindale have to wait and watch their side bank up.

The traffic lights barely help too. A lot more ratrun now because its easier to do it than drive down Ashley/Erindale.

crackerpants 1:44 pm 09 May 16

gazket said :

rommeldog56 said :

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

I recall seeing a map of Erindale (I think in conjunction with the Ashley Drive Phase 1 and 2 upgrades) that showed signals to be installed at the “T” intersection of Sternberg Cres and Comrie street, which is a very dangerous intersection.

No work has commenced nor any sign put up re that. So, I wonder if it was dropped ???

There was also to be a small round-a-bout to be put at the current “T” intersection of Bugden Ave and Kellett Street, which is another really dangerous intersection.

Again, nothing has happened.

But then again, both are in Tuggeranong I suppose – so where are Tuggeranong Labor Legislative Assembly wannabee’s and sitting members on these intersection upgrades. Missing in Action – as usual.

I think the problem is that road duplications lack “vibrancy”, which is the catchcry of the current government. Whack a couple of cute hole-in-the-wall coffee shops and a cafe that only serves breakfast cereal in Fadden, then the government might be willing to talk turkey. (/tic)

bj_ACT 1:06 pm 09 May 16

madelini said :

Arthur Davies said :

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

I don’t believe that 10,000 cars a day figure. That is about the same for Canberra Avenue between Queanbeyan and Canberra.
Also, I can only recall two fatal car accidents in recent times on Sternberg Crescent in Wanniassa. One of these was a pedestrian.

You can doubt it if you want but…….According to TAMS 9,400 a day (and that’s just at the Erindale end – so the whole road will be well over 10k). http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/traffic/residential-street-improvement-program/sternberg-crescent,-wanniassa

At a community meeting about Sternberg in 2013 they had data about two fatal accidents and a plethora of severe injuries and heavy crashes (including pedestrian) unfortunately this was followed later the next year (2014) by a 3rd fatality around Sternberg/Houston.

Surely the data and news reports are enough for people to think something has to be done around the road and it’s intersections.

I live in the area and use Sternberg Crescent every day, sometimes several times. Possibly, because I am semi-retired and always plan trips with plenty of time up my sleeve I don’t experience any abnormal problems driving through the area but it may be different for “rat-runners”.
If the “rat-runners” were not there, would there be any need for these proposed traffic changes to be made?
I still don’t believe that 9,400 vehicles a day figure either. Can you provide a link to where that information came from?

I have already attached the link to the data previously, it’s second main dot point under the Technical Analysis section. Separate road use measurements by 3rd party spatial companies also back this level of use up (but that is not public data). I can understand your view however if you use the road outside of peak hours, Sternberg is reasonable outside peak, but a shocker when speedsters are avoiding Erindale Dr and Sulwood Dr on the way to or home from work. There are also some intersections which are worse than others (you might have one of the better ones).

Based on Crash Stats, 72% of accidents on Sternberg happen in peak periods (the Canberra average is 58%). Considering this is the 3rd highest crash road in Canberra, that’s statistically a pretty big difference so it certainly tells a story of issues for the road in peak hour.

The whole parking and roads around the Erindale Centre are long overdue for some attention to improve safety and useability. Particularly Sternberg and around the restaurant zone.

dungfungus 11:52 am 09 May 16

Arthur Davies said :

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

I don’t believe that 10,000 cars a day figure. That is about the same for Canberra Avenue between Queanbeyan and Canberra.
Also, I can only recall two fatal car accidents in recent times on Sternberg Crescent in Wanniassa. One of these was a pedestrian.

You can doubt it if you want but…….According to TAMS 9,400 a day (and that’s just at the Erindale end – so the whole road will be well over 10k). http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/traffic/residential-street-improvement-program/sternberg-crescent,-wanniassa

At a community meeting about Sternberg in 2013 they had data about two fatal accidents and a plethora of severe injuries and heavy crashes (including pedestrian) unfortunately this was followed later the next year (2014) by a 3rd fatality around Sternberg/Houston.

Surely the data and news reports are enough for people to think something has to be done around the road and it’s intersections.

I live in the area and use Sternberg Crescent every day, sometimes several times. Possibly, because I am semi-retired and always plan trips with plenty of time up my sleeve I don’t experience any abnormal problems driving through the area but it may be different for “rat-runners”.
If the “rat-runners” were not there, would there be any need for these proposed traffic changes to be made?
I still don’t believe that 9,400 vehicles a day figure either. Can you provide a link to where that information came from?

rommeldog56 8:26 am 09 May 16

rommeldog56 said :

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

I recall seeing a map of Erindale (I think in conjunction with the Ashley Drive Phase 1 and 2 upgrades) that showed signals to be installed at the “T” intersection of Sternberg Cres and Comrie street, which is a very dangerous intersection. No work has commenced nor any sign put up re that. So, I wonder if it was dropped ???

There was also to be a small round-a-bout to be put at the current “T” intersection of Bugden Ave and Kellett Street, which is another really dangerous intersection. Again, nothing has happened.

But then again, both are in Tuggeranong I suppose – so where are Tuggeranong Labor Legislative Assembly wannabee’s and sitting members on these intersection upgrades. Missing in Action – as usual.

bj_ACT 9:17 pm 08 May 16

JC said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

I don’t believe that 10,000 cars a day figure. That is about the same for Canberra Avenue between Queanbeyan and Canberra.
Also, I can only recall two fatal car accidents in recent times on Sternberg Crescent in Wanniassa. One of these was a pedestrian.

You can doubt it if you want but…….According to TAMS 9,400 a day (and that’s just at the Erindale end – so the whole road will be well over 10k). http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/traffic/residential-street-improvement-program/sternberg-crescent,-wanniassa

At a community meeting about Sternberg in 2013 they had data about two fatal accidents and a plethora of severe injuries and heavy crashes (including pedestrian) unfortunately this was followed later the next year (2014) by a 3rd fatality around Sternberg/Houston.

Surely the data and news reports are enough for people to think something has to be done around the road and it’s intersections.

gooterz 9:25 pm 07 May 16

Crashes from rat running in tuggeranong could be solved by duplicating the main roads as planned and space left for.

gazket 9:14 pm 07 May 16

A new bigger pair of Captain Cook fountains . I think they should shoot over the Commonwealth ave bridges, People from everywhere would love that.

dungfungus 5:33 pm 07 May 16

wildturkeycanoe said :

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

I don’t believe that 10,000 cars a day figure. That is about the same for Canberra Avenue between Queanbeyan and Canberra.
Also, I can only recall two fatal car accidents in recent times on Sternberg Crescent in Wanniassa. One of these was a pedestrian.

bj_ACT 3:24 pm 07 May 16

TracyS said :

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

1 fatal crash involved a pedestrian next to a Sternberg Intersection and is not counted in the stats, but the stats in the linked article (you may not have read it) said Sternberg was the worst for deaths in the ACT. Speed I would presume would be a definite factor, but a lack of lights or roundabouts on Sternberg makes for some pretty hair raising intersections. Must be close to the leading peak hour Rat Running street in a Canberra Suburb.

Mordd 11:52 pm 06 May 16

Maya123 said :

Masquara said :

We have evidence in Canberra that enforcement of speed limits works. Hindmarsh Drive up and down Mt Mugga Mugga used to be Canberra’s version of Mt Panorama.

Sounds like fun.
Let’s add that right under “fireworks” to the list of fun things that need to be brought back.

Masquara said :

Speeding, tailgating, horns honking, lights flashing, fingers out the window if you drove at or below the 80km/h speed limit.

I am 99.9% certain that if you keep to the left and don’t obstruct traffic that is trying to travel faster than you, none of the above would occur.

Masquara said :

Then the point to point cameras were put in and the behaviour of drivers changed literally overnight. Driving in that area is now a pleasure and proves that the right type of enforcement *does* succeed in improving road safety.

No, what you have now is the same dropkicks who used to do 80 in the right hand lane now continue to clog up the right hand lane, but now they’re doing 70.
I rarely use that road, but as it happened I used it this morning – it was amusing to see the guys doing 100 slaloming left and right from lane to lane to get around the doofuses who haven’t figured out how to keep left.

Well terribly sorry to those wanting to speed, but the limit says 80 so if im the right hand lane and the traffic in the left is bumper to bumper, well I do 80 in the right hand lane and laugh my head off at anyone behind me who is annoyed by it. Terribly sorry to obey the law but if you want to speed that’s not my problem, im not getting out of your way just so you can do 100 unless you have flashing lights and a siren. LMAO

Mysteryman 3:22 pm 06 May 16

rommeldog56 said :

Russ said :

Mysteryman said :

Maya123 said :

How about a recuction in speed limits for residential suburban streets? 50 km/h is still too fast for such areas. Many other countries have 30 or 40 km/h limits in such areas.

Got data to back that up

Of course he doesn’t. How many pedestrians were hit by cars doing 50km/h in residential areas? I’m willing to bet hardly any. Most of Canberra is paved with incredibly wide streets that mean 50km/h is perfectly safe.

I am afraid that Sternberg Cres (or right next to) has had a number of these fatalities and a hell of a lot of crashes. Wanniassa experiences a lot of Peak Hour Rat Running by commuters so that drivers can avoid single lane main roads Sulwood, Erindale & Ashley Drives in particular.

Canberra Times had a report about accidents and Sternberg Crescent made the list twice (the road gets almost 10,000 cars a day – amazing for a suburban road) http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-worst-roads-for-crashes-revealed-20150210-13as5d.html

1. How many of those crashes invovled drivers travelling faster than 50km/h? I’d suggest many, if not most of them.
2. Where is the data on these fatalities? Canberra averages around 11-14 fatalities on the road every year. Fatalities in the ACT caused by vehicles travelling at 50km/h are so few and far between I doubt you could find any information on them at all.
3. Of the crashes you mention, how many involved pedestrians?

Mysteryman 3:19 pm 06 May 16

crackerpants said :

Masquara said :

Driving in that area is now a pleasure and proves that the right type of enforcement *does* succeed in improving road safety.

Maybe somebody can confirm – I am pretty certain I saw stats a couple of years ago showing that accidents had *increased* following the introduction of the doofus-cameras…

In at least one location in the city, they did.

HenryBG 2:03 pm 06 May 16

Masquara said :

Driving in that area is now a pleasure and proves that the right type of enforcement *does* succeed in improving road safety.

Maybe somebody can confirm – I am pretty certain I saw stats a couple of years ago showing that accidents had *increased* following the introduction of the doofus-cameras…

HenryBG 2:02 pm 06 May 16

Masquara said :

We have evidence in Canberra that enforcement of speed limits works. Hindmarsh Drive up and down Mt Mugga Mugga used to be Canberra’s version of Mt Panorama.

Sounds like fun.
Let’s add that right under “fireworks” to the list of fun things that need to be brought back.

Masquara said :

Speeding, tailgating, horns honking, lights flashing, fingers out the window if you drove at or below the 80km/h speed limit.

I am 99.9% certain that if you keep to the left and don’t obstruct traffic that is trying to travel faster than you, none of the above would occur.

Masquara said :

Then the point to point cameras were put in and the behaviour of drivers changed literally overnight. Driving in that area is now a pleasure and proves that the right type of enforcement *does* succeed in improving road safety.

No, what you have now is the same dropkicks who used to do 80 in the right hand lane now continue to clog up the right hand lane, but now they’re doing 70.
I rarely use that road, but as it happened I used it this morning – it was amusing to see the guys doing 100 slaloming left and right from lane to lane to get around the doofuses who haven’t figured out how to keep left.

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