18 October 2024

Election 2024: Region's political tragics have their say

| David Murtagh
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Shane Rattenbury, Elizabeth Lee, Thomas Emerson and Andrew Barr.

Shane Rattenbury, Elizabeth Lee, Thomas Emerson and Andrew Barr at the Region Leaders Debate. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

With the ACT going to the polls tomorrow, what feels like the longest election campaign ever is (mercifully) almost over.

What’s going to happen? With Hare Clark, and no opinion polling, it’s a bit of a lottery.

So, with those caveats, Region‘s David Murtagh, Oliver Jacques and Ian Bushnell are throwing caution to the wind and having a punt on the outcome of Election 2024.

David Murtagh, Opinion Writer

Going out on a limb here – which means this prediction will either be very right (in which case, gold star and a lifetime supply of Freddos) or very wrong (claim the account was hacked).

Here goes … the Greens will be the biggest party come 20 October, and a coalition of very miserable new Labor Party MLAs after stalwarts decide to find new hobbies and spend time with their families (Andrew Barr and Mick Gentlemen, for starters) will sit alongside some very surprised Independents for Canberra candidates.

Hilarity will ensue.

Is this the likely outcome? Under Hare Clark, who knows?

Did anyone really think Gordon Ramsay, the MLA, not the chef, would lose at the 2020 election?

Did anyone really think the Greens would win more than two seats that year?

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It doesn’t take much for a seismic shift to occur, and after 23 years in power and a long apprenticeship in a famously left-leaning electorate, enough voters might think that the Greens in the Territory are not the risk they pose federally. In other words, what have we got to lose? How much damage could they do in a few years? (Answer – a lot, see Rudd, K).

The Greens will also benefit from the Independents for Canberra who, along with every other left-leaning minor party, are unlikely to back another term of the status quo. If they did, why bother running?

As for the Liberals?

They may do better than in 2020, they may do worse – it’s hardly a reflection on the tireless and disciplined leadership of Elizabeth Lee (disciplined until Wedndesday’s flip-out, at least) if they don’t crack a win this election cycle. The odds are against them.

Could they do it in 2028? Without the hand of God? Unlikely. But you never know your luck in a medium-sized city with Hare Clark.

Oliver Jacques, Journalist

This is a poll in which our electoral system will have more influence on the outcome than voters.

I expect there to be a considerable swing against the government and towards independents and minor parties, but there will be limited change in the overall makeup of the Legislative Assembly.

We could see a slightly weakened Labor-Greens government next week – with the following results:

  • ACT Labor – 10 seats
  • Canberra Liberals – 9 seats
  • Greens – 4 seats
  • Independents for Canberra (Thomas Emerson) – 1 seat
  • Independent Fiona Carrick – 1 seat.

There seems to be some disenchantment with ACT Labor. Their support could drop by four points overall. That would cause havoc for a political party at a federal election but not in five-member electorates decided by the Hare Clark system.

At the 2020 election, Labor got 38 per cent of the vote overall and had two members elected in each electorate. You generally get two members elected if your vote is above 30 per cent – so there would have to be a spectacular collapse in Labor’s vote for them to lose even one seat. I don’t think people are enamoured enough with the alternatives for that to happen.

The Canberra Liberals have had an uneven campaign. I’ve never encountered a political party so reluctant to talk to media. Generally, politicians do whatever they can to get exposure during elections, so their tactics are unusual. I doubt people know their members well or what they stand for. Their support may go up a tick, but I don’t see them making the big gains needed to pick up extra seats.

The Greens are the party under the most pressure. Not necessarily because of their performance in government but because they surged at the last election and will struggle to maintain their gains in a more competitive environment. Greens tend to go backwards when independents do well. I suspect they’ll lose one seat each to independents in Murrumbidgee and Kurrajong.

The Independents for Canberra (IFC) and other independents and minor parties should poll strongly. But reaching 17 per cent of the vote to get elected is a big hurdle. Fiona Carrick nearly got elected in 2020 in Murrumbidgee and might sneak over the line this time. The most well-known IFC candidate, Thomas Emerson, could also snatch a seat off the Greens in Kurrajong.

Ian Bushnell, Journalist

This was always going to be a hard ask for the Canberra Liberals to take government, despite 23 years of Labor and Labor/Green government.

Labor’s vote would have to collapse for it to lose any of its 10 seats and while it might take a hit, party polling suggests it will do enough to defend them.

They could also well pick up a seat in Brindabella at the expense of the Greens, and Ginninderra is a train wreck for the Liberals, so that could be in play, too.

Labor has used the power of incumbency well and has a well-established and staged infrastructure program, including light rail, something that remains popular overall.

The Liberals have tried to throw everything at the electorate, as well as capitalising on simmering discontent about cost of living and housing.

The new leadership of Elizabeth Lee has tried to dump the social policy baggage but it lingers in voters’ minds, nudged along by Labor.

But for me, the Liberals have overpromised and not fully articulated their policies, particularly on tax and spending, and have not explained how they will achieve its accelerated land sale program, which is essential to how they will run their budget.

Banking on land sales to bolster a budget that will have less revenue from rates and payroll tax seems risky. And the Kowen Forest town centre plan was out of left field.

The city stadium idea will appeal to a certain demographic but won’t be a big vote changer.

The question is, will disenchanted Labor voters turn blue? I think they are more likely to look towards the independents, particularly the well-organised and marketed Independents for Canberra, with not enough preferences flowing to the Liberals to make a difference.

I also believe the independents will not do as well as expected, mainly because voters do not know who they would support to govern and their vote will be dispersed.

But Thomas Emerson in Kurrajong and Fiona Carrick in Murrumbidgee are the most likely to get spots on the crossbench.

The independents will also eat into the Greens big vote from 2020. Over the past four years, the Greens have been ill-disciplined and played to their base with pie-in-the-sky policies that are simply unachievable. There’s brand differentiation and then there is ideological blindness.

Labor could also welcome back some voters deterred by the Greens’ outspoken position on Palestine. They could lose half their seats or more. Leader Shane Rattenbury and Ginninderra MLA Jo Clay could be the only survivors, although they could score a third.

So I expect Labor will again govern with Greens’ support.

My prediction:

  • ACT Labor – 11 seats
  • Canberra Liberals – 9 seats
  • Greens – 3 seats
  • Independents for Canberra (Thomas Emerson) – 1 seat
  • Independent Fiona Carrick – 1 seat.

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HiddenDragon8:16 pm 18 Oct 24

Ian’s prognostication looks the least worst because it holds open the prospect of a government without the Greens, and reliant upon independents who might bring something vaguely resembling genuine accountability to the government of the ACT – an issue on which, far more often than not, the Greens have been missing in action.

With the ACT budget in serious structural deficit, interests rates likely to stay higher for longer, and the federal budget heading into a decade or more of deficits (even if nothing goes seriously wrong in the Chinese economy), the next government of the ACT will have the fiscal walls closing in upon it.

Labor bears ultimate responsibility for the state of the ACT budget (having held the roles of Chief Minister and Treasurer in their coalition governments with the Greens) so it would be fitting that circumstances force them to face up to that – preferably tempered by the balance which a few decent independents could provide.

David Murtagh – surely you jest. Stand up comedy.
No Freddos for you I expect, comrade.

David Murtagh9:15 pm 19 Oct 24

No Freddos for me. 🙁

When every party claims they’re going to cut taxes and increase spending, all I get out of it is that they’re lying. It’s been a deeply unimpressive campaign all round.

All across Canberra, as conflutes rose high,
Strode Chief Minister Barr, a glint in his eye.
“Vote for me, Canberrans, I’ll fix what’s unfair!
I’ll densify the suburbs, ensure housings all there!”

He awed social media, set visions aflight,
With policies written, on brochures so bright.
Light rail sped down streets, now paved with dreams,
He promised more hospitals, or so it all seemed.

Enter Rattenbury, flakey Greens to the fray,
A voice for the planet, come what may.
Together they spruiked, projects so grand,
While Canberrans grumbled, costs out of hand.

Woden tram connections, to link every soul,
As the tree canopy waned, and roos paid the toll.
Whispers of doubt, in the shadows did swell,
Affordable housing grew distant, rentals as well.

House prices rising, budget debt sky high,
First home aspirations, like scooters whizzed by.
Hospital wait times and rates expanded,
Townsfolk grew weary, of promises bandied.

Whispers turned louder, doubts became stronger,
IT waste and mismanagement – Labor’s shadow grew longer.
In the progressive capital, once so happy and gay,
After twenty-three years, voters began to sway.

Behind worried faces, questions did loom,
Were these promises rainbows, or portends of doom?
From Gungahlin to Tuggeranong, all tired of the bluster,
Even guru Green said this government, is losing its lustre.

So Barr-Rattenbury, Lee and Independents too,
Post Saturday’s election, may goodwill see us through.
After echoes of promises, calls for reform,
Canberrans will expect you, to now all perform.

Very clever. 🙂

Nobel prize for poetry

Bravo, Acton – you get my vote for the ACT’s inaugural poet laureate.

The Liberals aren’t offering a serious alternative – with having to fire candidates and refusing to fire candidates that really should be fired. Their main argument is “23 years is too long” but I don’t see them offering an alternative.

On the Greens, the less said the better. This term they’ve done nothing but complain, and they’ve carried that attitude to the election.

Independents for Canberra – or at least the candidates I’ve come across – seem reasonable enough but all their candidates are ‘free to disagree’ (quote from Emerson) so it really depends on what ones get in – if any.

I live in Murrumbidgee – though I’m not really a big fan of Fiona Carrick. I disagree strongly with her policies on development – she scored the worst on Greater Canberra’s scorecard for a reason. I’ve found a few of her volunteers a bit pushy, and I don’t like that she hasn’t committed either way on light rail.

Labor for me seems the best bet at this election. I think a Labor government – hopefully without the Greens altogether, but I’d be happy with less involvement in the government. My three big issues at this election are public transport (I’m a fan of the light rail, and a regular bus catcher), planning (I’m young, and I don’t want a quarter-acre massive block nor an apartment, so I like Labor’s missing middle policies), and housing (similar reasons).

The best bet for transport and planning at this election is Labor – that’s why I’m backing them.

Well considered, Malcolm. I just hope Labour changes the deck chairs – we need to get Chris Steel out of his current role. Too many slips of oversight.

Margaret Freemantle3:54 pm 18 Oct 24

Carrick won’t state her position on the tram. No one should vote for a candidate that refuses to give which way they will vote. .A big NO!

Margaret, that’s such rubbish. As I’ve commented earlier, I don’t expect an Independent candidate to support or otherwise anything where there is not yet firm details around cost vs benefit. That’s like saying you’re happy with Trump’s comment “I don’t have a policy but I’ve a concept of a policy” (probably misquoted).

I find it truly ridiculous that people are complaining about candidates not committing to a project with no costing information nor economic assessment. And actually thinking their complaints are reasonable.

@MalcolmB
You have obviously considered your vote … well done you.

I personally, like the idea that each candidate in IFC is free to disagree – it means that if elected, each will vote on the merits of every piece of legislation … for mine that’s a good thing, but each to their own.

davidmaywald1:55 pm 18 Oct 24

The independents may pick up a couple of seats (say Emerson in Kurrajong and Carrick in Murrumbidgee), while the Greens revert from their 2020 record high number of seats (falling from say 6 to 4). This would see Labor + Greens retain power with a majority… And nothing will change: Barr is still The Chief (having also been Treasurer for 13 years), very similar Ministerial portfolios to present, horrendously inefficient/unproductive ACT public service, government still captured by CFMEU and other unions. The Liberals have valiantly been striving to hold the Labor/Greens government to account, with little to mixed support from the media… Will The Canberra Times, Riotact, and ABC suddenly boost their editorial scrutiny of Barr/Labor/Greens due to a small number of independents being elected as MLAs?

@davidmaywald
You may be, probably are (?), correct about the election of only two independents.

Nevertheless, the pressure is on them to perform – and if they do so successfully, then, all we can hope for is perhaps the 2028 election could produce a minority government.

In future, I’ll be posting under my new nom de plume “Pollyanna – eternal optimist” 😁

Peter McSwine4:48 pm 18 Oct 24

Will The Canberra Times, Riotact, and ABC suddenly boost their editorial scrutiny of Barr/Labor/Greens

Tell him he is dreaming

Capital Retro12:06 pm 18 Oct 24

I never had any candidates door-knock me this election and I don’t recall any party having a policy on repaying the massive debt and sacking public servants so there is nothing to vote for anyway.

True Canberran3:20 pm 18 Oct 24

Maybe you weren’t home?

I’m reading comments here and other places that people may not vote for an Independent candidate as they haven’t declared a position on Light Rail, Stadium, etc. The cynical view perhaps is that they don’t want to muddy their chances with an opposing part of the electorate, but a positive view may be that they truely intend to remain independent and will declare a position once, for example, a final plan and business case is tabled for the next stage of Light Rail (whatever that may be). Only until the latter can value to the community (and impact on the revenue base) be evaluated, with support subsequently provided one way or the other.

Based on an assumption that the candidates will be true to their commitment to operate independent to parties, I’ll be voting to give one or more a seat. I want someone in the circle to be able to ask the right questions and to challenge risky proposals. Perhaps I’m just too much of a Boy Scout… 😉

For an electorate that keeps imagining itself as “highly educated” a lot of Canberrans are really, really stupid and have no concept of what will be required to maintain the place and pay the debt. The funniest part is that the people who vote that way are often the people who can least afford the increased costs.

Calling voters stupid whilst whinging about debt in support of the Liberals who are running on a no-details policy platform is quite hilarious Ken.

There are more details to the Liberals policy platform than Labors. How long have they had to get costings on stage 2B of light rail now? 🤣

Voters who want the ACT paying over a million dollars a day to service just the interest on the debt Labor have racked up with their irresponsible spending, are really pretty stupid.

Ken, odd that you’re posting a pro-Liberal comment on mine which is suggesting that Independent candidates will hopefully work to keep the major parties in check. :-))

@StuartM
I agree with you … I think independents holding the government of the day to account, by voting on the merits of legislation as/when put forward, is a good outcome. After so many years of a dysfunctional Labor/Greens coalition government, I’m prepared to take a risk on minority government.

Stuart, my comment had nothing to do with yours. I was merely pointing out the usual hypocrisy of Seano.

GrumpyGrandpa10:23 pm 18 Oct 24

Hello JS,
I think Independents holding the balance of power is pretty unlikely.
The Greens/ALP vote would have to tank, the Libs gain no more than one seat, and the Independents be the major beneficary of the voter’s backlash.
History has shown us that the ALP’s preference is to form an alliance with the Greens, to secure control and limit accountability.

Labor and their hangeroners will get in again. The ACT is an entrenched Labor town, but I really hope that Mick Gentleman is shown the door

little birdie said that if Mick gets in he will then retire and hand over spot to chosen one

Well that would be incredibly deceptive. Shame it wouldn’t trygger a by-election. It should.

@Futureproof
Not often I say this, Fp, but I totally agree with you.

Having said that, your comment piked my interest, so I checked the 2020 ACT Election results. To my surprise, and I’m sure you’ll be equally surprised, Gentleman received the sixth highest personal vote of all candidates (across all electorates).

Which makes one wonder what result a concrete garden gnome, would elicit from the constituents in Brindabella, if one were to run 🤣

@Ken M
Check my response to Futureproof.

With the sixth highest personal vote of all candidates, it’s not surprising (though as you say deceptive), that the ALP (in reality, probably any party) would do that.

It’s debatable whether or not a by-election would deliver a different result to a countback under the Hare Clark system … but at least the latter will be a lot cheaper.

JS, I agree with you on the garden gnome thing, though it would probably achieve more in a single term than Mick Gentleman has in his entire career.

Green Rudolf9:56 am 19 Oct 24

We vote for who we want for the next four years (including any replacements needed), giving preferences. If someone leaves the Assembly, it goes to the next (interested) person on the list, determined by a countback. We are really having a by-election today for any replacements needed, as well as voting for the initial 25. So number as many candidates as you can, so your votes would count if there is later a recount.

I hope Fiona Carrick does win a seat.

I’ve never understood why people support her – she had to have some cheer squad at the Woden Forum in order to be liked – I’ve found her to be a bit of a NIMBY.

Yes, I may have to retract my sentiment my daughter just informed me she’s anti- or noncommittal about the tram which I support. So that’s disappointing.

Seano,
I agree with you. Whilst she may not be some people’s favourite she seems far more competent than many of the other candidates.

Seano,
You’ve been constantly complaining about the lack of detail of the Liberals policies, now you claim to be supportive of the Light Rail that literally has no options analysis, cost estimate or economic assessment released by the government.

The same project that the government is currently spending $60+ million in design works.

You can’t make this stuff up 🤦‍♂️

Yeah, a bit of a shame about the tram but I spoke to her 2IC and she seemed switched on, generally a fan of moderate sensible independents not being owned by any party or m/billionaires.

They’ve literally built a tram mate so there’s that.

To Labor voters…. please change your vote, 23 years is enough….

That’s not an argument for changing votes, that’s a whinge.

Change my vote!

Have you seen the candidates the Liberals are offering as alternatives?

True Canberran3:18 pm 18 Oct 24

At least they didn’t create the massive debt we have at the moment. No costings for light rail at all. Libs cannot be any worse than the CLAG.

Margaret Freemantle4:06 pm 18 Oct 24

Not possible with the very poor opposition

Jack,
You realise there’s other candidates than the ALP and Liberals right?

Douglas Hynd8:02 am 18 Oct 24

Ian – if you look at 2020 most of the independent votes came from the Liberals. I see no reason why that won’t be the case this time. Greens voters I doubt will go to independents because of the uncertainty as to who they will support & their lack of clarity on light rail.

I’m not predicting anything but I think that’s a very good analysis.

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