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Road safety on the King’s Highway

johnboy 21 December 2006 44

The Canberra Times has a story on some badly needed safety measures for the King’s Highway which runs from Canberra to the coast.

Are they going to put a proper camber on the bends? Straighten roads? Bridge and tunnel?

No, they’re going to put up some signs with which to distract those drivers who can be bothered to read them.


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44 Responses to Road safety on the King’s Highway
luca luca 9:53 pm 29 Dec 06

I’m amazed there isn’t more forest litter on the highway considering a significant part of it is bordered by trees. Anybody know if the Road Authorities regularly do a “sweep”? My greatest fear using the highway is rounding a corner and running up the back of a slow moving lorry, so I keep one foot poised above the brake pedal in such situations.

Hasdrubahl Hasdrubahl 4:23 pm 25 Dec 06

A very Merry Christmas to all those who have travelled this road safely and sensibly this weekend – and here’s hoping the other idiots come to grief, without taking the good drivers with them.

ant ant 11:41 am 25 Dec 06

Nothing wrong with that road, it’s fine. So sad that nowadays, people demand dual-carriageway roads rather than simply driving better.

nyssa76 nyssa76 10:28 am 25 Dec 06

ACTION can’t even negotiate the Canberra area with regular transport. How are they going to do that for the South Coast? Plus it’s out of their area.

Speak to Greyhound or Murrays.

Oh btw, we got to the coast fine. P platers overtaking on bends, speeding like they know the road, plus their lovely role models in hotted up Holdens and Fords also speeding, overtaking on bends and generally being wankers.

I’m sorry my 95-100kms (where signed) was not “fast” enough for you.

houdini houdini 12:48 am 24 Dec 06

Perahps ACTION should drive those who don’t have the ability to safely drive themselves to the Coast for their holidays. Guaranteed to reduce the road toll.

nyssa76 nyssa76 6:56 pm 22 Dec 06

I should add, he’ll be changing gears and I’ll be doing the pedals – he’s a shocker at coordinating them. We’d be bunny hopping it all the way down the Clyde.

nyssa76 nyssa76 6:54 pm 22 Dec 06

I’ll let you all know how it goes when I go down it on Sunday – we’re leaving early dickheads usually don’t go out until 1pm 🙂

It should be a “fun” trip, 3 kids, 3 dogs and 1 hubby trying to navigate. Oh the joy!

Luckily for me he can’t drive a stick or I’d be walking.

cranky cranky 6:38 pm 22 Dec 06

The road is not that bad, and on my one return journey per annum, I appreciate whatever improvements have been made.

There are invariably slow travelling trucks, caravans, trailers and Grannies dictating the speed of all following, with an apparent total disregard for the queues that ensue.

I suggest the angst created contributes to the less than optimal driving exhibited, and the potential for accidents increases massively.

Instead of overtaking lanes, perhaps laybys that MUST be used by motorists with more than say 6 vehicles following would be a cost effective way of reducing this impatience and therefore accidents.

houdini houdini 3:25 pm 22 Dec 06

I think the below link explains it all.

The roads good enough, the drivers are the problem. NSW taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay to upgrade this road to make up for a lack of driving ability.

darkladywolf darkladywolf 11:13 am 22 Dec 06

I’m not suggesting that they’re placed that way. All I’m suggesting is that if they were to be removed, then some should remain.

Yes, the ultimate responsibility should rest with the driver. There are also times when corners turn unpredictable. They start nice and easy, and then you have to suddenly reduce speed and try to keep on the road.

I’ve also come across a couple of corners that seem to be some kind of optical illusion, meaning you end up judging incorrectly. I have to say in both cases it meant I went around the corner slower than I could have, not faster. Thank goodness.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt 10:01 am 22 Dec 06

I’d be surprised if the recommended speed signs are related to how far ahead you can see, simply because of how many other NSW roads have corners where you can clearly see around (sometimes several turns in advance, like out around Forbes anfd Grenfell), but still have recommended cornering speed signs.

It’s not a bad idea if that’s what do, though. I still think, however, that the responsibility for determining appropriate cornering speed should rest with the driver.

darkladywolf darkladywolf 9:20 am 22 Dec 06

I think removing recommended speeds would be a bad move – at least in certain cases.

There are times when the sign is the only indication of the tightness of the corner. There are no other visual cues until you are well into it. When I see a sign saying “25” I know damn well to take it even more carefully than I normally would.

The idea of half these morons trying to make ‘sensible assessments’ simply fills me with fear. I’ve seen some of the assessments made regarding appropriate speed, appropriate overtaking points and more. Sensible isn’t the first word that springs to mind.

It would be lovely to have the road upgraded, but (similar to the Lake George road which was upgraded) most of the issues come down to people who aren’t making good decisions.

johnboy johnboy 9:18 am 22 Dec 06

My understanding on recommended speeds is that it’s nothing to do with road-holding.

It’s supposed to be based on stopping distance matching how far ahead you can see.

If a truck is broken down and you come around a blind bend it’s not going to be any comfort to be firmly secured to the road as you go up the back of the truck.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt 8:38 am 22 Dec 06

One of the difficulties with the signage is the way that ‘recommended speeds’ for corners are determined. A modern, well maintained vehicle with a sensible driver can comfortably exceed these ‘recommended’ corner speeds with no effort or risk, whereas an older, worn or less capable car cannot. Personally I think we should remove ‘recommended’ corner speed signs altogether, thus forcing drivers to make a sensible assessment of corner speeds for themselves (which I believe the sensible ones do anyway).

Maelinar Maelinar 8:31 am 22 Dec 06

I’d like to see more traffic signs in a language that the people who are really going to have accidents can comprehend.

Use of the word Dickhead in a roadsign springs to mind.

I’ve often considered this as I’ve been driving down the road, that as the only person on the road who seems to be paying any attention to the signage along the roadside, obviously the message isn’t getting through.

On the subject of the Clyde, I love the drive. I can confirm that it is a stock 2 hour trip, at 110 most of the way. There must have been some good aerodynamics involved in the 1.5 hour time trial, possibly even a microlight.

VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt VYBerlinaV8_now with_added_grunt 8:30 am 22 Dec 06

I think the main thing with a trip like Canberra to Bateman’s Bay is to leave plenty of time, and not to assume that you can average the speed limit. I have had two memorable trips on that road (for good reasons, not bad ones). The first was when I took a trip on a busy Friday evening, and for some reason all the traffic decided to flow along at about 90km/h, and no-one bothered to overtake. The whole thing was very relaxed, had some good music for company and took about 2 and a quarter hours. The second trip was back home at about 1am on a Sunday morning (no, I hadn’t been drinking), and it took considerably less time, as I only saw 1 car the whole way back. I let the V8 stretch its legs a bit up the mountain, and had a very easy run from there. Again, good music for company and all was well.

The road isn’t too bad, and there’s plenty worse around in country NSW. Having stricter driver training and licensing standards would help a lot here. The concept of driving to conditions seems to be overlooked nowadays.

Thumper Thumper 8:08 am 22 Dec 06

Couldn’t agree more about the dildos in four wheel drives towing caravans up and down the Clyde.

But the volume is only concentrated at certain times of the year, such as this afternoon.

Otherwise the road is reasonably free of traffic, well, maybe I just get lucky….

johnboy johnboy 8:04 am 22 Dec 06

For the volume it carries it really should be dual-carriageway.

If people weren’t trying to overtake the grannies towing caravans up the mountain it would help things enormously and save a great many lives to say nothing of the time and petrol of everyone backed up every day there’s an accident through summer.

Thumper Thumper 7:59 am 22 Dec 06

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a double lane highway all the way to the BB. How good would that be?

Thumper Thumper 7:59 am 22 Dec 06

Yeah JB,

I can see your point. It is not a good road, but it’s not bad. I grew up driving on a lot of dirt roads, which are not good roads.

Thus you drive to the conditions.

The problem is idiot drivers and always will be. What is the answer?

Better roads? Well, yes, that would help?

Greater fines for those who are blatently being idiots? Without doubt.

Greater road education? I’m not sure this actually changes anyone’s opinion.

More cops on the road? Well, it couldn’t hurt.

I still think as a road, it’s okay.

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