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Save the trees because we’re incapable cryeth TAMS

By johnboy 15 January 2014 53

Territory and Municipal Services are hoping you can get out and water street trees because they’re not very good at doing their own jobs:

With ongoing dry weather and this week’s very high temperatures, the ACT Government is seeking help from residents to look after Canberra’s trees.

Territory and Municipal Services (TAMS), who manage Canberra’s trees, have a current tree watering program focussed on watering approximately 21,000 young trees located on nature strips and in parks. These trees are watered once a month but would benefit from an extra drink where possible.

“While we are doing our best to ensure Canberra’s trees remain healthy; any help from the community in terms of watering is always appreciated and very beneficial, especially during the hot and dry conditions forecast over the next few days,” said Luke Bulkeley, Acting Manager, Urban Treescapes.

“A little help from the community will make a significant difference when keeping trees alive during this hot, dry period. The effect of this week’s conditions is cumulative as the soil is already very dry from the weather conditions in the last few months.

“An eight litre bucket of water once a week could provide enough supplementary water for young trees during dry periods. A larger tree of over five metres may require several buckets once a week, during the cool of the morning or evening. The water should be applied slowly under the tree close to the trunk.”


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Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:21 pm 18 Jan 14

Masquara said :

thatsnotme said :

It makes no difference anyway – to get to all the trees that need water withinthe limited timeframe available TAMS would have to hire an army of extra staff.

Hardly. The ACT Government used to employ enough people to look after the street trees. They didn’t need an “army” then, nor do they now. Fewer “ministerial” adviser drones, and more worker bees please, Mayor Rottenborough!

This we can agree on(well besides the incredibly infantile crying brat name calling). The amount of high ups and office contractors in tams is insane.

But, we all know it won’t change. So if you have a nature strip tree, give it a hose down for 5 mins. It actually quite relaxing.

Masquara 11:41 am 18 Jan 14

thatsnotme said :

It makes no difference anyway – to get to all the trees that need water withinthe limited timeframe available TAMS would have to hire an army of extra staff.

Hardly. The ACT Government used to employ enough people to look after the street trees. They didn’t need an “army” then, nor do they now. Fewer “ministerial” adviser drones, and more worker bees please, Mayor Rottenborough!

shauno 11:02 am 18 Jan 14

Music to listen to while you sit back contemplating climate change and Bob Brown being extremely pissed off at the Labor and the Greens in Tasmania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QjTK0pL1go

Antagonist 10:46 am 18 Jan 14

thatsnotme said :

johnboy said :

Or more to the point if the existing staff numbers aren’t delivering the outcomes you need to increase the staff numbers.

What, just for the week when it’s hot?

No. They need to hire ‘seasonals’ as TaMS have been doing for an eternity. Hire them during the spring/summer seasons. This is not a new concept, nor is it a difficult concept to grasp. Summer comes around EVERY year without fail.

thatsnotme said :

10 litres of water costs around 5 cents from your tap at home, at the highest rate. If 50,000 trees were watered by residents dumping a bucket of water on them, total cost to residents of the ACT is around $2,500. How much do you think it’d cost us to have TAMS hire temporary contractors to water 50,000 trees? I reckon it’d end up being more than 5 cents per household.

Having people help look after the tree that’s perhaps 10 metres away from their tap, means the TAMS people can concentrate on plantings that aren’t outside someone’s house.

According to TaMS, it is only 21,000 trees. It is in the OP which you don’t appear to have read. Keep waving those arms though, you are doing a great job of distracting us from the real numbers. Since we are going to pinch pennies here, if we all take our own rubbish and recycling to the tip it will only cost you a few dollars in fuel plus tip fees. The money saved can be used pay TaMS people to concentrate on laying more crappy chip-seal on our roads, or going around watering trees.

thatsnotme said :

It makes no difference anyway – to get to all the trees that need water within the limited timeframe available TAMS would have to hire an army of extra staff. It’s no point hiring enough new people so that your heat stressed tree gets some water in a week’s time – it may be dead by then. But sure, if you’re so certain that not being able to water every heat stressed tree in Canberra within a few days, during the hottest spell we’ve had since 1979, is an indication of Government failing, then feel free to stand under the dying tree on your front lawn bellowing ‘where’s the bloody water truck?!’ When it doesn’t come, go inside and start writing angry letters. The trees will thank you for it.

If TaMS need an army of people to water the trees, then they are doing it wrong. They are planting the wrong species or at the wrong time (drought tolerance) and/or need to hire more people such as seasonals. Even the disabled would love an opportunity like this to make a contribution to society while earning a few extra dollars. You also, rather conveniently, ignore a key concept in the OP. The effects of the heat are *cumulative*. So we don’t need to water 50,000 (or even 21,000) trees daily.

Keep waving those arms. You are doing a terrific job!

Pork Hunt 10:44 am 18 Jan 14

switch said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

magiccar9 said :

Nylex_Clock said :

I’m surprised people need to be told. When a street tree was replaced out the front of my place once, it went without saying that in extra-dry, hot conditions I would make sure I watered it.

Some people in my neighbourhood have a reserve across the road from them and they take good care of some new plantings across the road from them.

The negative responses here are indicative of people who lack a sense of community and live in a selfish little bubble of misplaced self-interest.

Perhaps the reason why we are so selfish in our little bubbles of self-interest is because of the considerable years of disappointment we’ve had to endure under this government. We’ve thus maybe adapted our ways to look after ourselves first because those who represent us simply no longer give a crap.

Just an idea.

Or just another idea, maybe they are lazy, non community minded morons.

Please do not blame the government for your selfishness.

Oh FFS you lot! Just chuck a bucket of water on the poor tree. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

The use of cliches should be avoided like the plague…

shauno 10:16 am 18 Jan 14

It should be in a the public servants job description. You have a job provided to you by the government and part of your job description says you are to look after 10 trees in your street.

thatsnotme 8:59 am 18 Jan 14

johnboy said :

Or more to the point if the existing staff numbers aren’t delivering the outcomes you need to increase the staff numbers.

What, just for the week when it’s hot?

10 litres of water costs around 5 cents from your tap at home, at the highest rate. If 50,000 trees were watered by residents dumping a bucket of water on them, total cost to residents of the ACT is around $2,500. How much do you think it’d cost us to have TAMS hire temporary contractors to water 50,000 trees? I reckon it’d end up being more than 5 cents per household.

Having people help look after the tree that’s perhaps 10 metres away from their tap, means the TAMS people can concentrate on plantings that aren’t outside someone’s house.

It makes no difference anyway – to get to all the trees that need water within the limited timeframe available TAMS would have to hire an army of extra staff. It’s no point hiring enough new people so that your heat stressed tree gets some water in a week’s time – it may be dead by then. But sure, if you’re so certain that not being able to water every heat stressed tree in Canberra within a few days, during the hottest spell we’ve had since 1979, is an indication of Government failing, then feel free to stand under the dying tree on your front lawn bellowing ‘where’s the bloody water truck?!’ When it doesn’t come, go inside and start writing angry letters. The trees will thank you for it.

Gobbo 8:16 am 18 Jan 14

johnboy said :

Or more to the point if the existing staff numbers aren’t delivering the outcomes you need to increase the staff numbers.

…. And pay them in leaves and gum nuts.

CraigT 8:29 pm 17 Jan 14

magiccar9 said :

dtc said :

They were on the news last night. Are starting work at 6am and working through the day, but there are a lot of trees and not that many employees.

Oh dear, they have to put in extra hours for a few weeks. Every other industry does it, why can’t TAMS staff?

Personally I put in a hour or so OT (unpaid too) every day. Why? It means I get my duties done by my deadlines and retain my job by not being a ‘clock watcher’. It’s high time government workers stop working minimum hours and start doing the job until it is finished to a satisfactory level.

No, they have to hire contractors to do the work of the thousands of ACT public servants who aren’t capable, yet alone motivated, enough to do anything whatsoever.

magiccar9 6:36 pm 17 Jan 14

dtc said :

They were on the news last night. Are starting work at 6am and working through the day, but there are a lot of trees and not that many employees.

Oh dear, they have to put in extra hours for a few weeks. Every other industry does it, why can’t TAMS staff?

Personally I put in a hour or so OT (unpaid too) every day. Why? It means I get my duties done by my deadlines and retain my job by not being a ‘clock watcher’. It’s high time government workers stop working minimum hours and start doing the job until it is finished to a satisfactory level.

    johnboy 6:42 pm 17 Jan 14

    Or more to the point if the existing staff numbers aren’t delivering the outcomes you need to increase the staff numbers.

Genie 6:15 pm 17 Jan 14

Gobbo said :

Genie said :

I don’t want a tree on my nature strip.

Does that mean I can water it with salted water or bleach ?

Before everyone starts having a go at me, the tree is stupidly planted directly above my water pipes. That’s going to be fun in a few years when the tree grows through the pipes. Already lived in one property where they would come replace the pipe every 6 months.

Secondly. The tree is currently growing at 45 degree angle. Towards the house.

I have 3 giant gum trees across the road from my house. Again I don’t want one on my nature strip.

Nature strip trees blocking water pipes are paid for by the government to replace. BTW I seriously doubt you were having your pipes ‘replaced’ every six months. You seem to be exaggerating your argument to justify your dislike of street trees.

So sad to be you.

Actually not always. We had a plumber out at least 3 times a year until the tree fell over in a bad storm but because the “damage” to the pipes was always apparently on our side of the property. Guess who had to pay.

Antagonist 11:12 am 17 Jan 14

dtc said :

Antagonist said :

Selfish? To expect government employees to do their jobs using monies raised from rates, taxes and stamp duties? To prepare in advance for this new and unexpected Australian invention called the heatwave? Selfish my hairy @ss!

Actually, they are all contractors not govt employees….

They were on the news last night. Are starting work at 6am and working through the day, but there are a lot of trees and not that many employees.

The fire analogy was a good one – would you assist the fire brigade or just say ‘they are govt employees, they should be here to do their job. After all, there is this Australian invention called the bushfire”?

First, the “contractors” are still government employees, albeit in a temporary or non-ongoing capacity. They still get paid a salary and super, and a loading in lieu of leave entitlements with the money coming from the ACT Government (our rates, taxes and stamp duties). They are still employees, even if they are not permanent employees. For the record, a significant proportion of outdoorsy people at employed in Parks and Places also start at 6:00am – this is in no way exceptional or significant.

Given we can expect this kind of heat pretty much EVERY summer, TaMS could easily do what they (and other agencies like ESA) have been doing for many years; they could hire seasonals for the job. Since it is only watering trees and does not require a university degree, it appears to me to be a brilliant opportunity to employ the disabled! It is not like their is a skills shortage for this kind of employment.

Second, the fire analogy is lousy. The consequences of each scenario are worlds apart; one being a few dead trees and the other being significant property loss/damage. Apples and Oranges.

Third, while nobody would mind watering trees on their nature strips (my earlier post points out that I do it twice weekly myself), TaMS ask that people go into parks and similar to undertake watering. This is where they go too far. TaMS have NEVER watered a tree on any nature strip I have ever had, and I suspect this was added only to sugar coat their ‘request’.

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