Shooting dogs in Dunlop

Gerry-Built said :

Apparently on ABC news radio, they reported 16 shots were fired… Funny… I didn’t hear a thing; and I live quite close…

Priceless. Had a full mag and 1 up the spout and couldn’t kill a dog.

That many rounds off target is just outright dangerous. This is why they should be required to do more shooting than qualifying once a year…

shirty_bear said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Question for the hive mind – Imagine you are in an off-leash area, a sports ground with cricket nets and you are practicing cricket with two young kids.

This may be simplistic, but I wouldn’t have thought that any public sports grounds (especially with facilities such as cricket nets) wouls also be classified as off-leash areas. I would expect all officially off-leash areas to be better isolated, or scrubland.
My suspicion is that the dog owners in this case are breaking the rules. Regardless, they’re being douchebags by doing this with dogs that are not well trained.
I would also suggest that, under threat of attack, you’re entitled to take whatever measure you see fit to protect your kids. Cricket bat seems ideal.

Oddly, if you look at TAMS maps to see where the off leash areas are, sports grounds appear to be okay. The rules state that there aren’t to be people training there at the time, that dogs must be leashed in that circumstance.
I would definitely use a bat for defense, but looking at it from another point of view – if said dog was happily running toward you with tongue hanging out anticipating a hug and a lick, then you whack it across the head delivering a deadly blow, would the owners be within their rights to have you up on charges of cruelty?

Apparently on ABC news radio, they reported 16 shots were fired… Funny… I didn’t hear a thing; and I live quite close…

wildturkeycanoe said :

Question for the hive mind – Imagine you are in an off-leash area, a sports ground with cricket nets and you are practicing cricket with two young kids.

This may be simplistic, but I wouldn’t have thought that any public sports grounds (especially with facilities such as cricket nets) wouls also be classified as off-leash areas. I would expect all officially off-leash areas to be better isolated, or scrubland.
My suspicion is that the dog owners in this case are breaking the rules. Regardless, they’re being douchebags by doing this with dogs that are not well trained.
I would also suggest that, under threat of attack, you’re entitled to take whatever measure you see fit to protect your kids. Cricket bat seems ideal.

buzz819 said :

midlife said :

Police use a solid load in their ammo so there is a clean entry and possibly exit. The bullet does not do as much damage as a hollow head which deforms and causes more damage as it passes through increasing the chances of a fatal shot. In an animal it seems to require a hit to a fundamental part to kill them. Police are always at a disadvantage when it comes to fire power. Baddies seem to acquire the more effective equipment as they are not bound by rules.

I think you will find that Police do in fact use a hollow point, metal jacket round.

The reason? They don’t want the bullet to go through the person they are shooting at.

Military normally use the solid load ammo.

It’s a Winchester 147gn, copper jacketed soft point. They very rarely exit.

The military are required to use FMJ projectiles under the Hague convention.

midlife said :

Police use a solid load in their ammo so there is a clean entry and possibly exit. The bullet does not do as much damage as a hollow head which deforms and causes more damage as it passes through increasing the chances of a fatal shot. In an animal it seems to require a hit to a fundamental part to kill them. Police are always at a disadvantage when it comes to fire power. Baddies seem to acquire the more effective equipment as they are not bound by rules.

I think you will find that Police do in fact use a hollow point, metal jacket round.

The reason? They don’t want the bullet to go through the person they are shooting at.

Military normally use the solid load ammo.

wildturkeycanoe said :

Question for the hive mind – Imagine you are in an off-leash area, a sports ground with cricket nets and you are practicing cricket with two young kids. There are people about 100m away playing with their 2 “pit-bull” style dogs. The dogs decide to run across the oval and join in to your cricket practice whilst the owners just stand there yelling at the dogs, not even bothering to chase after them. How do you as a parent react to this, not knowing what the dogs are like, except obviously deaf or disobedient? All I could do was try to shield my youngest by putting myself between him and the dog and yelling at it to go away. This sort of worked, but thankfully the other dog went to annoy the people next to us and the second one followed. Eventually the dogs responded and went back to their owners, but it left me remembering what happened to my eldest son a long time ago as a toddler. A supposedly timid pet chased him down and scratched him on the back of his leg, then jumped up onto me and bit the back of his leg whilst I was trying to hold him up as high as I could off the ground to safety. I learned later that someone else had pretty much trained the dog to chase and nip him on the legs through teasing, just for fun. Since then, any unknown mutt that approaches is enemy #1. Defending against one dog might be a difficult task enough, but two is way too much, when a 6 year old is involved.
Obviously in leash free areas, the dogs should be under the control of their owners. If the dogs don’t respond to “come here”, I’d say that is out of control.
Any ideas on what to do when the panic sets in as a four legged rabbit trap or two charge your way and you have little ones to protect?

In that particular situation I would say get the kids up on the nets out of harms way, and face up to the dogs with the cricket bat. Be prepared to beat them to death, and be prepared to be bitten while doing it.

This sort of thing has happened to me and my kids, and I’ve remonstrated with the owners of the dogs.

Question for the hive mind – Imagine you are in an off-leash area, a sports ground with cricket nets and you are practicing cricket with two young kids. There are people about 100m away playing with their 2 “pit-bull” style dogs. The dogs decide to run across the oval and join in to your cricket practice whilst the owners just stand there yelling at the dogs, not even bothering to chase after them. How do you as a parent react to this, not knowing what the dogs are like, except obviously deaf or disobedient? All I could do was try to shield my youngest by putting myself between him and the dog and yelling at it to go away. This sort of worked, but thankfully the other dog went to annoy the people next to us and the second one followed. Eventually the dogs responded and went back to their owners, but it left me remembering what happened to my eldest son a long time ago as a toddler. A supposedly timid pet chased him down and scratched him on the back of his leg, then jumped up onto me and bit the back of his leg whilst I was trying to hold him up as high as I could off the ground to safety. I learned later that someone else had pretty much trained the dog to chase and nip him on the legs through teasing, just for fun. Since then, any unknown mutt that approaches is enemy #1. Defending against one dog might be a difficult task enough, but two is way too much, when a 6 year old is involved.
Obviously in leash free areas, the dogs should be under the control of their owners. If the dogs don’t respond to “come here”, I’d say that is out of control.
Any ideas on what to do when the panic sets in as a four legged rabbit trap or two charge your way and you have little ones to protect?

Police use a solid load in their ammo so there is a clean entry and possibly exit. The bullet does not do as much damage as a hollow head which deforms and causes more damage as it passes through increasing the chances of a fatal shot. In an animal it seems to require a hit to a fundamental part to kill them. Police are always at a disadvantage when it comes to fire power. Baddies seem to acquire the more effective equipment as they are not bound by rules.

johnboy said :

Unless the victims had entered the dog’s yard the responsibility always comes down to the dog owner.

As a dog owner it’s something that keeps me awake at night.

I’m not sure if true or one of those stories, but I was told (by a dog club president) that you’d still be liable if someone entered your property legally (like the contractor who checks the power pole) but without your knowledge and your dog attacked them.