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By realocal 4 February 2014 57

I would love some advice if anyone can help.  I am asking on behalf of a friend of mine – he is an employee of a company that is contracted as a security contractor to a business here in Canberra.

He also happens to be in the country on a student visa – one of the stipulations is a set number of hours he can work per fortnight allowing for time to attend Uni, study etc. All fine so far. New manager (ie the client) asks to see his visa (presumably to check conditions) and his Uni results. That seemed excessive – esp. the request to see his results. As he didn’t take proof of his academic results in, the client asked their supplier ie his employer to take him off the roster.

That doesn’t seem ethical – yet alone legal. Is it worth pursuing or does he just have to cop it? There are other colleagues who could be facing the same fate.

What’s Your opinion?


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NoImRight 12:58 pm 10 Feb 14

NoImRight said :

Stormfront Org said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

And what particularly makes us different from other races that we should be “proud” of just based on being “Caucasian” ? So not a proud Australian or American or whatever just Caucasian?

Stormfront Org said :

bzzzz….

Thats what I thought.

Stormfront Org said :

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

Being called intolerant by Stormfront #facistbitoffmorethanhecanchew

Stormfront Org said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

Oh dear, Arab is not a race…is a cultural and linguistic term referring to people who speak Arabic as their first language.

watto23 9:28 am 07 Feb 14

NoImRight said :

watto23 said :

If you work for any company that tenders to the government or other organisation, the client organisation can ask for all sorts of information regarding the people who the tenderer intends to use.
I have been asked for proof of my skills and knowledge, ie certificates,degree etc.

True but Im not seeing any of that being the case in the OP. The “client” is not asking for proof of this persons qualifications to do their job from what I see. Nor is is their concern about visa requiremenst. That would be up to the security company ie the actual employer normally.

MsCheeky I stand corrected. Odd how often those most determined to defend “our” way of life make it the most cringe worthy.

I’m not necessarily in agreeance with what is being asked, but I can see plenty of half valid reasons. Much like students at school have been asked for a copy of their grades. Employers want the kind of people that are getting good grades in their study. Its just another form of reference, as most referees lie anyway.

I also imagine security guards need to be checked to some standard. If you have a guard that is not upfront with information that is an opportunity for someone to bribe them. Why do you think gov security clearances ask all sorts of private not related to anything type questions.

If those are not valid reasons then I give up.
Anyway I don’t see it as a big deal, unless of course the person in question is failing their studies, which to me would raise an alarm bell to not employ them. There are things I’d be more worried about than ones grades in a course.

bigfeet 6:33 am 07 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

? To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

It is not ‘politically correct’ to point out and ridicule racists. It is just ‘correct’.

lostinbias 11:50 pm 06 Feb 14

Masquara said :

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

Not content with hate-speech directed at Indians, he’s turning his cray-cray to Rioters. Can’t someone shut this down?

We rioters rip on each other all the time.

That being said, I did take issue with their earlier race-baiting post. While I believe in a very high level of free speech, free from government intervention, I do implore private organisations such as The RiotACT to get rid of posts like what this person originally said.

Masquara, I’m with you on shutting down this poster’s race-baiting, but rioters ripping on each other is nothing new. I wouldn’t pull them up on that. I would pull them up on that.

Stormfront Org, old mate, I think you’ve missed something that appears on your favourite forum. The hatred for other races who live in Australia. You could have added that the vast majority on Stormfront oppose multiculturalism and think that different races should be separated. If “white pride”, as ridiculous a notion as it is, was the only thing, then Stormfront would be more in the “dumb redneck” category, as opposed to the “neo-Nazi” category.

Masquara 11:05 pm 06 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

Not content with hate-speech directed at Indians, he’s turning his cray-cray to Rioters. Can’t someone shut this down?

bundah 5:35 pm 06 Feb 14

lostinbias said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

LSWCHP said :

Pork Hunt said :

…deletage…

I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that! 🙂

It is also awesome that porky worky considers that I AM A WIZARD!!!!

Careful, Stormfront Org might be a GRAND WIZARD!

Sourcerer trumps Grand Wizard albeit in lay down misere 🙂

lostinbias 3:06 pm 06 Feb 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

LSWCHP said :

Pork Hunt said :

…deletage…

I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that! 🙂

It is also awesome that porky worky considers that I AM A WIZARD!!!!

Careful, Stormfront Org might be a GRAND WIZARD!

Tetranitrate 2:40 pm 06 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

I employ people all the time, and if someone is less than 10 years out of uni (or still at Uni) then I expect to see their academic results. If they refused to supply their results, which has never happened, then they wouldn’t get the job.

If I was employing a contractor through an agency, and that person claimed to have an academic record then I would want to see it.

I reckon if somebody claims “x” in support of a job application, then the person providing the cash is entitled to ask for proof of “x” and evidence of the quality of “x”, even if “x” doesn’t directly relate to the work being performed, as it appears in this case.

Maybe this sounds harsh, but I know a bloke who worked (and may still work) in the APS who claimed to have PhD but didn’t. Nobody had asked to see his testamur or his thesis or anything, they just took the letters after his name at face value, as most people would.

In this case, the dude is quite entitled not to hand over his academic results, and the employer (or employer of the agency) is quite entitled not to give him work if he doesn’t.

This would be fair enough, if we were talking APS or some other role where their claim on the job is at least partially based on their degree – but if you actually read the OP you’ll note their friend is working in security. They are not a grad, they are a student.

I worked at Mooseheads at one point while I was studying and I’d have found it pretty damn unusual if I’d been asked for my results then.

Mordd 2:13 pm 06 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

I challenge your interpretation of what Stormfront is an organisation:

Stormfront is a white nationalist,[2] white supremacist[3] and neo-Nazi[4] Internet forum that was the Internet’s first major hate site.[5]

Stormfront began as an online bulletin board system in the early 1990s before being established as a website in 1995 by former Ku Klux Klan leader and white nationalist activist Don Black. It received national attention in the United States in 2000 after being featured as the subject of a documentary, Hate.com. Stormfront has been the subject of controversy after being removed from French, German and Italian Google indexes, for targeting an online FOX News poll on racial segregation, and for having political candidates as members. Its prominence has grown since the 1990s, attracting attention from watchdog organizations that oppose racism and antisemitism.

The website is a theme-based discussion forum with numerous boards for topics including ideology, science, revisionism, homeschooling, and self defense. Stormfront also hosts news stories, a merchandise store, and extensive links to racist organizations. The site has a logo featuring the Celtic cross common to neo-nazi iconography surrounded by the motto “White Pride World Wide”.

— a simple google search brings up many a listing demonstrating that the website/organisation is nothing but a front for white supremacy and racial hate speech, hardly hard to prove really.

I petition RiotACT not to ban the commenter Stormfront.org but rather force him to change the username to something less specifically hate induced, and this policy should apply to all usernames.

Aeek 2:01 pm 06 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way?

American, would that be North, South or Central? Canadian, Mexican, Brazilian, Chilean, Nicaraguan, etc. USAian? We don’t seem to have a distinct word for it.

NoImRight 1:15 pm 06 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

And what particularly makes us different from other races that we should be “proud” of just based on being “Caucasian” ? So not a proud Australian or American or whatever just Caucasian?

Stormfront Org 11:57 am 06 Feb 14

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

Stormfront Org 8:22 am 06 Feb 14

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

NoImRight 8:21 am 06 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

I employ people all the time, and if someone is less than 10 years out of uni (or still at Uni) then I expect to see their academic results. If they refused to supply their results, which has never happened, then they wouldn’t get the job.

If I was employing a contractor through an agency, and that person claimed to have an academic record then I would want to see it.

I reckon if somebody claims “x” in support of a job application, then the person providing the cash is entitled to ask for proof of “x” and evidence of the quality of “x”, even if “x” doesn’t directly relate to the work being performed, as it appears in this case.

Maybe this sounds harsh, but I know a bloke who worked (and may still work) in the APS who claimed to have PhD but didn’t. Nobody had asked to see his testamur or his thesis or anything, they just took the letters after his name at face value, as most people would.

In this case, the dude is quite entitled not to hand over his academic results, and the employer (or employer of the agency) is quite entitled not to give him work if he doesn’t.

Id agree if the qualifications related to the job being done but, and Im making an assumption, I suspect in this case he isnt doing a University degree in being a security guard. Im guessing this is just a job to make some money while he studies. Is it relevent to how good a guard he is if he is struggling with microbiology but kicking it in Carbon Chemistry?

Maybe he isnt much of a guard and they are just looking for an excuse to bump him?

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