Taken off the roster

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

I challenge your interpretation of what Stormfront is an organisation:

Stormfront is a white nationalist,[2] white supremacist[3] and neo-Nazi[4] Internet forum that was the Internet’s first major hate site.[5]

Stormfront began as an online bulletin board system in the early 1990s before being established as a website in 1995 by former Ku Klux Klan leader and white nationalist activist Don Black. It received national attention in the United States in 2000 after being featured as the subject of a documentary, Hate.com. Stormfront has been the subject of controversy after being removed from French, German and Italian Google indexes, for targeting an online FOX News poll on racial segregation, and for having political candidates as members. Its prominence has grown since the 1990s, attracting attention from watchdog organizations that oppose racism and antisemitism.

The website is a theme-based discussion forum with numerous boards for topics including ideology, science, revisionism, homeschooling, and self defense. Stormfront also hosts news stories, a merchandise store, and extensive links to racist organizations. The site has a logo featuring the Celtic cross common to neo-nazi iconography surrounded by the motto “White Pride World Wide”.

— a simple google search brings up many a listing demonstrating that the website/organisation is nothing but a front for white supremacy and racial hate speech, hardly hard to prove really.

I petition RiotACT not to ban the commenter Stormfront.org but rather force him to change the username to something less specifically hate induced, and this policy should apply to all usernames.

Stormfront Org said :

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way?

American, would that be North, South or Central? Canadian, Mexican, Brazilian, Chilean, Nicaraguan, etc. USAian? We don’t seem to have a distinct word for it.

Stormfront Org said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

And what particularly makes us different from other races that we should be “proud” of just based on being “Caucasian” ? So not a proud Australian or American or whatever just Caucasian?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

If you write the races, then some faint-hearted old fart will label you as” racist”. Arabs (although, there are plenty of Caucasian moslems as well) and Indians- good enough then?

And would you like me to spell a “MOSLEM” in an american way? (many bitch on here about “americanism”)

Stormfront Org said :

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

“moslem’ (sic) and ‘Hindu’ are not races…

@Masquara– good morning to you, another clown who stayed behind after the circus left the town.
Do you know what neo-nazis are? They think that they are far more superior than any other race, even half British, half French Caucasian would be considered “impure”. Not “Aryan”. So I agree- Nazi groups are bad.

Organisations such as Stormfront simply encourage people to be proud of who you are, your race. It isn’t wrong to be a proud Moslem or Hindu, is it? And certainly, a proud Hindu is not labelled as “racist”. Why is it “racist” to be one proud Caucasian? What about Chinese, they are marrying their own in Australia, are they racists? (rhetorical question)

So next time, before you crap your pants and start screaming “Help!!!” and that something is “neo-nazi,” when it clearly isn’t, do some more research. Now you can go and change your soiled pants.

C&GN, you are one troll living here,constantly asking others for screenshots. What ones exactly do you need, clown #2?

To all the politically correct haters, I will not take your bait (personal insults). It shows just how intolerant you really are (big no-no in a tolerant society, lol) and, as proven by few opponents, ignorant and clueless.

What really “grinds my gears” is the fact that same old faces, as usual, are posting off topic.
In the world of WWW many of you by now would have fallen victims to a ban hammer. 😉

LSWCHP said :

I employ people all the time, and if someone is less than 10 years out of uni (or still at Uni) then I expect to see their academic results. If they refused to supply their results, which has never happened, then they wouldn’t get the job.

If I was employing a contractor through an agency, and that person claimed to have an academic record then I would want to see it.

I reckon if somebody claims “x” in support of a job application, then the person providing the cash is entitled to ask for proof of “x” and evidence of the quality of “x”, even if “x” doesn’t directly relate to the work being performed, as it appears in this case.

Maybe this sounds harsh, but I know a bloke who worked (and may still work) in the APS who claimed to have PhD but didn’t. Nobody had asked to see his testamur or his thesis or anything, they just took the letters after his name at face value, as most people would.

In this case, the dude is quite entitled not to hand over his academic results, and the employer (or employer of the agency) is quite entitled not to give him work if he doesn’t.

Id agree if the qualifications related to the job being done but, and Im making an assumption, I suspect in this case he isnt doing a University degree in being a security guard. Im guessing this is just a job to make some money while he studies. Is it relevent to how good a guard he is if he is struggling with microbiology but kicking it in Carbon Chemistry?

Maybe he isnt much of a guard and they are just looking for an excuse to bump him?

LSWCHP said :

Pork Hunt said :

…deletage…

I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that! 🙂

It is also awesome that porky worky considers that I AM A WIZARD!!!!

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Yep, this would get RiotACT sued easily.

Pork Hunt said :

…deletage…

I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that! 🙂

I think I might have discovered who Stormfront is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfUIdhzPKC8

Pork Hunt said :

Stormfront Org said :

Ah, typical crowd consisting of Pork Hunt and C&GN , writing off-topic comments, nothing unusual. Need a good stir, excitement? I am here to help you! 😀 I see that you two had immediate hard-ons seeing me on here. However, I’m straight, so no piece of an action for you.

Please, don’t go off-topic next time.

Under the watchful eye of proper moderator (who is instated to have non-biased approach, as long as the comments do not cross the line) – all opinions are valid, not only the ones that please him/her ( looking at an empty greasy seat once occupied by someone with selective views).

Back to the topic- a client has the right to request removal of security guard from rosters/premises. Many security companies have dodgy practices of employing undesired characters, including hiring people without conducting proper police checks, first aid training and similar.
Only naive loners, living in their bubble (CGN, for instance), would think otherwise.

How the hell was that off topic? I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.
Screw you hippie!

😀 😀 😀

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

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Hey Stormfront dude. Welcome to RiotAct, struggling though it is at the moment.

I’m happy to have people like you appear here, because I think that censorship doesn’t help to discourage wrong thinking, it just forces it to scuttle into dank corners and under damp rocks, where it tends to flourish, like slaters and roaches and silverfish do in those environments.

Wrong thinking, like yours, needs to be brought out into the open so that it can be subjected to a bit of warm and cleansing daylight, followed by (probably useless) debate, or (probably entertaining) mockery, or whatever people feel like doing at the time when they encounter it.

So please don’t hide your light under a bushel. I want to see some more of your interesting allegations backed up by your interesting statistics.

I employ people all the time, and if someone is less than 10 years out of uni (or still at Uni) then I expect to see their academic results. If they refused to supply their results, which has never happened, then they wouldn’t get the job.

If I was employing a contractor through an agency, and that person claimed to have an academic record then I would want to see it.

I reckon if somebody claims “x” in support of a job application, then the person providing the cash is entitled to ask for proof of “x” and evidence of the quality of “x”, even if “x” doesn’t directly relate to the work being performed, as it appears in this case.

Maybe this sounds harsh, but I know a bloke who worked (and may still work) in the APS who claimed to have PhD but didn’t. Nobody had asked to see his testamur or his thesis or anything, they just took the letters after his name at face value, as most people would.

In this case, the dude is quite entitled not to hand over his academic results, and the employer (or employer of the agency) is quite entitled not to give him work if he doesn’t.

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Mods, please moderate this rioter – stormfront.org is an active neo-nazi organisation in the US.

Stormfront Org said :

Ah, typical crowd consisting of Pork Hunt and C&GN , writing off-topic comments, nothing unusual. Need a good stir, excitement? I am here to help you! 😀 I see that you two had immediate hard-ons seeing me on here. However, I’m straight, so no piece of an action for you.

Please, don’t go off-topic next time.

Under the watchful eye of proper moderator (who is instated to have non-biased approach, as long as the comments do not cross the line) – all opinions are valid, not only the ones that please him/her ( looking at an empty greasy seat once occupied by someone with selective views).

Back to the topic- a client has the right to request removal of security guard from rosters/premises. Many security companies have dodgy practices of employing undesired characters, including hiring people without conducting proper police checks, first aid training and similar.
Only naive loners, living in their bubble (CGN, for instance), would think otherwise.

How the hell was that off topic? I was trying to defend you from C&GN’s sorcery and you imply that I’m gay.
Screw you hippie!

watto23 said :

If you work for any company that tenders to the government or other organisation, the client organisation can ask for all sorts of information regarding the people who the tenderer intends to use.
I have been asked for proof of my skills and knowledge, ie certificates,degree etc.

True but Im not seeing any of that being the case in the OP. The “client” is not asking for proof of this persons qualifications to do their job from what I see. Nor is is their concern about visa requiremenst. That would be up to the security company ie the actual employer normally.

MsCheeky I stand corrected. Odd how often those most determined to defend “our” way of life make it the most cringe worthy.

Stormfront Org said :

Ah, typical crowd consisting of Pork Hunt and C&GN , writing off-topic comments, nothing unusual. Need a good stir, excitement? I am here to help you! 😀 I see that you two had immediate hard-ons seeing me on here. However, I’m straight, so no piece of an action for you.

Please, don’t go off-topic next time.

Under the watchful eye of proper moderator (who is instated to have non-biased approach, as long as the comments do not cross the line) – all opinions are valid, not only the ones that please him/her ( looking at an empty greasy seat once occupied by someone with selective views).

Back to the topic- a client has the right to request removal of security guard from rosters/premises. Many security companies have dodgy practices of employing undesired characters, including hiring people without conducting proper police checks, first aid training and similar.
Only naive loners, living in their bubble (CGN, for instance), would think otherwise.

Can you post a screen shot of any of those allegations please?

Stormfront Org said :

Ah, typical crowd consisting of Pork Hunt and C&GN , writing off-topic comments, nothing unusual. Need a good stir, excitement? I am here to help you! 😀 I see that you two had immediate hard-ons seeing me on here. However, I’m straight, so no piece of an action for you.

Please, don’t go off-topic next time.

Under the watchful eye of proper moderator (who is instated to have non-biased approach, as long as the comments do not cross the line) – all opinions are valid, not only the ones that please him/her ( looking at an empty greasy seat once occupied by someone with selective views).

Back to the topic- a client has the right to request removal of security guard from rosters/premises. Many security companies have dodgy practices of employing undesired characters, including hiring people without conducting proper police checks, first aid training and similar.
Only naive loners, living in their bubble (CGN, for instance), would think otherwise.

NoImRight, Mr StormfrontOrg has now clearly demonstrated that he’s no wannabe but definitely a legitimate racist bogan by the spelling and grammatical errors in this post.

If you work for any company that tenders to the government or other organisation, the client organisation can ask for all sorts of information regarding the people who the tenderer intends to use.
I have been asked for proof of my skills and knowledge, ie certificates,degree etc.

Stormfront Org said :

NoImRight said :

Probably just a wannabe. Spelling is too good. The real ones are out somewhere ganging up on a schoolgirl on a bus I expect.

Is that a rumour you’d heard standing, waiting for the bus or from personal experience? I suggest that you need to broaden your horizons and do some research before posting such a silly comment next time. 🙂

Yeah my comment was “silly” yours was just hate filled nonsense. So who is worse?

NoImRight said :

Probably just a wannabe. Spelling is too good. The real ones are out somewhere ganging up on a schoolgirl on a bus I expect.

Is that a rumour you’d heard standing, waiting for the bus or from personal experience? I suggest that you need to broaden your horizons and do some research before posting such a silly comment next time. 🙂

Ah, typical crowd consisting of Pork Hunt and C&GN , writing off-topic comments, nothing unusual. Need a good stir, excitement? I am here to help you! 😀 I see that you two had immediate hard-ons seeing me on here. However, I’m straight, so no piece of an action for you.

Please, don’t go off-topic next time.

Under the watchful eye of proper moderator (who is instated to have non-biased approach, as long as the comments do not cross the line) – all opinions are valid, not only the ones that please him/her ( looking at an empty greasy seat once occupied by someone with selective views).

Back to the topic- a client has the right to request removal of security guard from rosters/premises. Many security companies have dodgy practices of employing undesired characters, including hiring people without conducting proper police checks, first aid training and similar.
Only naive loners, living in their bubble (CGN, for instance), would think otherwise.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

They did not state it is their opinion.

They stated percentages without evidence.

I hate to be pedantic, well, not really, but the percentage quoted was an estimated probability, plucked from his head, rather than a percentage based on evidence. S/he’s entitled to that opinion, though obviously we are all entitled to call it out as racist nonsense.

I used the wrong word in my post – instead of “performance” I should have said “progress”. Immigration required me to pass my exams and submit things on time. If something was late, I needed a formal extension from the uni.

Incidentally, police checks on foreigners (like myself when I came here) are often a waste of time, as I don’t believe foreign police services are contacted, and the criminal justice system in the country of origin may be very different – so even if caught for things, it may have been possible to avoid convictions through paying of bribes and other forms of corruption. Conversely you may have been convicted of something that is not illegal here, or something that makes you a virtual hero – to wit “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”.

IP

realocal said :

Thanks for the advice.

Looks like the Ombudsman might be the way to go – irrespective of his ethnicity!

Just FYI – he has been on the payroll for about 3 years & I don’t believe performance / attendance / professionalism were an issue. I also don’t think his marks (apart from a pass / minimum attendance) were a visa requirement – I will check.

Just for the record, he is not studying English, is enrolled at a bonafide University, is attending classes & getting ok grades.

There was no explanation as to why they wanted to see his academic results & I don’t believe it was included in his employment contract. All the usual security requirements are in place – police checks, training requirements, first aid etc. there weren’t any other performance issues that I am aware of.

Proof of enrolment should be presented to his employer … For the client to demand to see academic results just seemed too much – and YES, probably better off working somewhere else but I can’t blame him for being p***ed off.

Again, thanks for advice.

+1 for not biting at the trolls.

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Stormfront Org. Really!? So now that JB is gone, we get race-baiting on The RiotACT?

Is this really the message The RiotACT wants to send to potential readers/subscribers, that it allows neo-Nazi ideologues to air racial hatred and suggest people be deported?

We had diversity of opinion here before. We don’t need extremists of any persuasion on this website. Read the Topix Australia forum and tell me if you want The RiotACT to become like that.

Thanks for the advice.

Looks like the Ombudsman might be the way to go – irrespective of his ethnicity!

Just FYI – he has been on the payroll for about 3 years & I don’t believe performance / attendance / professionalism were an issue. I also don’t think his marks (apart from a pass / minimum attendance) were a visa requirement – I will check.

Just for the record, he is not studying English, is enrolled at a bonafide University, is attending classes & getting ok grades.

There was no explanation as to why they wanted to see his academic results & I don’t believe it was included in his employment contract. All the usual security requirements are in place – police checks, training requirements, first aid etc. there weren’t any other performance issues that I am aware of.

Proof of enrolment should be presented to his employer … For the client to demand to see academic results just seemed too much – and YES, probably better off working somewhere else but I can’t blame him for being p***ed off.

Again, thanks for advice.

Ha! From JB’s ‘Goodbye’ thread…

two reasons. 1st is that we prefer not getting sued for what you lot say.. and second is that anonymity, free speech and a large audience tends to create conversations that dissolve into shit-slinging quickly – something that i note from this thread that people don’t like

Then onto…

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

“One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not quite the same…”

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Source?

Seems to me Stormfront is expressing their own OPINION regarding this matter. I suspect the source may lie somewhere between their ears and slightly behind the eyeballs but not beyond the back of the cranium. Does that narrow it down for you?

They did not state it is their opinion.

They stated percentages without evidence.

Having worked on a student visa in the early 2000s, I recall that satisfactory academic performance was a requirement of the visa. I thought it was reported automatically to the Immigration department by the university (perhaps smaller academic institutions work differently?), but perhaps the employer is being audited, or trying to be proactive to prevent either party (employer and employee) getting into trouble. It does seem a little intrusive without explanation, though.

IP

neanderthalsis said :

maybe they just wanted to see that they were employing someone with a bit of academic nouse.

Why even type something so ridiculous? he’s working in security.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Source?

Seems to me Stormfront is expressing their own OPINION regarding this matter. I suspect the source may lie somewhere between their ears and slightly behind the eyeballs but not beyond the back of the cranium. Does that narrow it down for you?

Roundhead89 said :

Stormfront Org as a contributor? It never would have happened if JB was still here. Will they be RA’s new owners?

Yes, only some opinions are valid.

bigfeet said :

Wow!

‘Stormfront Org’.

There goes the neighborhood!

And here comes the Blues-Mobile.

Roundhead89 said :

Stormfront Org as a contributor? It never would have happened if JB was still here. Will they be RA’s new owners?

Stormfront used to appear in the pending comments but didn’t seem to get the race bating bile through JB’s watchful eyes.

Stormfront Org as a contributor? It never would have happened if JB was still here. Will they be RA’s new owners?

right, so Stormfront is now posting predictable race bating rants here. Well done guys.

Stormfront Org said :

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

Source?

bigfeet said :

Wow!

‘Stormfront Org’.

There goes the neighborhood!

Probably just a wannabe. Spelling is too good. The real ones are out somewhere ganging up on a schoolgirl on a bus I expect.

Wow!

‘Stormfront Org’.

There goes the neighborhood!

“New manager (ie the client) asks to see his visa (presumably to check conditions) and his Uni results. That seemed excessive – esp. the request to see his results. As he didn’t take proof of his academic results in, the client asked their supplier ie his employer to take him off the roster.”

My first concern is that the CLIENT wants this information. The client is not his employer, and the reason for the client requesting this information is not given. It is personal information, and I would not give it out without the client providing a reasonable business reason for asking.

My second concern is the request for academic results. The academic results are not relevant to a client, and there are other ways to provide evidence of enrolment and attendance at university.

My advice would be to forget about it and move on. Does he REALLY want to work for this client that much? I most certainly would not. Move on to greener pastures.

The client is required to ensure that it is not hiring people in breach of their visa conditions. So I would think that showing proof of enrolment should be sufficient. Academic results show the same thing but I cant see are necessary.

Making an assessment of whether someone is likely to pass their studies isnt, I think, relevant to the question. People might leave employment for 100s of reasons, you can’t make an assessment of every potential issue.

Your friend might want to have a chat with the Fair Work Ombudsman (http://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment/casual-full-time-and-part-time-work/pages/casual-employees.aspx) to get a better idea of where he stands.

One thing that doesn’t seem clear is whether the academic results were ‘satisfactory’ – ie, was there a chance that the visa could have been terminated on that basis ? If not, or if the client didn’t really want to accept evidence of good progress, it may raise the issue of whether this was simply being used as a pretext to terminate the arrangement because of some other, actual, reason. No disrespect to people in the security business, but not sure what academic progress in a university course otherwise says about capacity to do the job – but then, you would need to know that actual position to make that assumption validly, one way or the other.

The other issue, assuming there was an ‘injury’, is what is the remedy ? This sort of stuff is precisely why there is so much concern around the place about the increasing casualisation of the workforce – it can leave workers horribly unprotected when it comes to the whims and vaguaries of the employer.

In good news, at least in this case it is the ‘client’ rather than the employer who has made the call – has your friend had a yarn with his actual boss – he or she might be as mystified by the client’s approach as your friend is.

Depends what kind of a contract your friend signed. If he’s agreed to comply with requests as a condition of his employment, and he’s failed to do so (not taking in his results) then that’s one explanation.

I’d ask your fried if he has had to sign a deed of obligation or similar contract that makes it a requirement for him to comply with such things as a code of conduct, drug testing, security clearances etc. This is something companies often have to comply with when tendering to Govt departments.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to take someone off a roster if they don’t respond promptly to requests. The job market is tightening up. I know a person who was taken off the roster because ‘the Xmas rush is over’.

Did they say why they wanted to see them? That may go some way to explaining it.

Fairly good chance that your friend is:

i- Indian

ii- Here to ‘study English”, yet doing EFF ALL studies (sadly, there are still many dodgy places offering “study courses”).

iii- There is a 99% chance that your friend is in breach of his student visa conditions (works excessive hours and really not attending the course).

I would like to request that you name and shame security company that hired your friend and “other colleagues who could be facing the same fate”. (Do they all have a valid Aus security licence, btw?). I find it both reasonable and ethical that a “client” requested to see academic results.

Pack him on a first flight back to Mumbai.

All perfectly reasonable. The request to see academic transcripts may have been to see what course they are studying and its usual duration and how far he has progressed through their course, or maybe they just wanted to see that they were employing someone with a bit of academic nouse. Also, a visa can be cancelled for poor academic performance. When you employ someone, generally you like to ensure that they will stick around for a while, having an employee have their visa cancelled a month or two after you hire them, train them and get them to the point where they can competently do their job is not really an entertaining prospect.

If he is employed on a casual contact, there is no guarantee or even obligation that the employer will provide him with regular shifts. Just because the student visa entitles him to work a maximum of 40 hours a fortnight, the employer is not obliged to give him work for 40 hours. He can have more than one job though, provided he does not exceed the 40 hours a fortnight.