The long arm of store security in Woden

gooterz said :

Henry82 said :

buzz819 said :

While it may be “private property” any place that is open to and used by the public, whether payment is required for entry or not, is a public place.

they can still ask you to leave the area, and use reasonable force to remove you.

You can only use reasonable force to arrest someone.

Fairly sure that being on some land doesn’t give the right to physically tough you, only if they arrest you for a crime, in which case they’d take you to the police and not just escort you out.

You can only really use force in self defence or to protect property. I dare say that taking a photo isn’t really damaging to property.

If you refuse to leave the centre after a security officer asks you to, you may be viewed as a trespasser. The security officer may then use reasonable force to remove you from the centre. The security officer may make a citizen’s arrest if you resist his/her lawful efforts to remove you from the centre.

Basilbrush said :

buzz819 said :

Basilbrush said :

I saw a young kid at the Gungahlin shopping centre steal a phone from one of the shops and was caught by the centre security…..and the police arrived and let him go coz security were too rough with him. What the? He then walked off laughing.

Yeah, I’m sure that is exactly what happened?

You stood and listened to the entire conversation etc?

Well yes I did actually….why would I then write something not true?

The last part made me LOL. People on the internet ALWAYS tell the truth.

Henry82 said :

buzz819 said :

While it may be “private property” any place that is open to and used by the public, whether payment is required for entry or not, is a public place.

they can still ask you to leave the area, and use reasonable force to remove you.

You can only use reasonable force to arrest someone.

Fairly sure that being on some land doesn’t give the right to physically tough you, only if they arrest you for a crime, in which case they’d take you to the police and not just escort you out.

You can only really use force in self defence or to protect property. I dare say that taking a photo isn’t really damaging to property.

buzz819 said :

While it may be “private property” any place that is open to and used by the public, whether payment is required for entry or not, is a public place.

they can still ask you to leave the area, and use reasonable force to remove you.

Not sure why this is turning into a debate about filming rights in public places.

For the record, this footage was made available to Westfield and through them Police before it was given to RA.

Deref said :

bearlikesbeer said :

Westfield Woden is private property. Westfield Woden has a photography policy. Westfield security has approached me on several occasions and directed me to stop taking pics within the centre, and to delete any photos/video I’ve taken (on my phone). Westfield is well within its rights to enforce its photography policy, but I think ordering people to delete photos/videos is a bit rich. Each time I’ve refused Westfield security’s direction to delete pics I’ve been escorted out.

It’d be great to see a flash mob organised with hundreds of people all taking photos in Woden Plaza!

Once saw a flash mob in Westfield Woden up near the supermarkets, with one guy filming it. Westfield security went up to him and told him they couldn’t film there. Mob was gone in a flash.

Frustrated said :

Check out the sticky beaks and rubber neckers though!

Especially the old guy who stop and stands there watching.

I blame Big Brother!

Of course having a sticky beak recording it and posting it on YouTube for our edification is completely different…

bearlikesbeer said :

Westfield Woden is private property. Westfield Woden has a photography policy. Westfield security has approached me on several occasions and directed me to stop taking pics within the centre, and to delete any photos/video I’ve taken (on my phone). Westfield is well within its rights to enforce its photography policy, but I think ordering people to delete photos/videos is a bit rich. Each time I’ve refused Westfield security’s direction to delete pics I’ve been escorted out.

While it may be “private property” any place that is open to and used by the public, whether payment is required for entry or not, is a public place.

bearlikesbeer said :

Westfield Woden is private property. Westfield Woden has a photography policy. Westfield security has approached me on several occasions and directed me to stop taking pics within the centre, and to delete any photos/video I’ve taken (on my phone). Westfield is well within its rights to enforce its photography policy, but I think ordering people to delete photos/videos is a bit rich. Each time I’ve refused Westfield security’s direction to delete pics I’ve been escorted out.

It’d be great to see a flash mob organised with hundreds of people all taking photos in Woden Plaza!

Tooks said :

bearlikesbeer said :

Westfield Woden is private property. Westfield Woden has a photography policy. Westfield security has approached me on several occasions and directed me to stop taking pics within the centre, and to delete any photos/video I’ve taken (on my phone). Westfield is well within its rights to enforce its photography policy, but I think ordering people to delete photos/videos is a bit rich. Each time I’ve refused Westfield security’s direction to delete pics I’ve been escorted out.

Trying to think of a reason why you are repeatedly taking photos/videos in shopping centres…

I’m sure there’s a good reason, but consider this: what other types of people take photos and videos in shopping centres?

A camera is just a prosthetic set of eyes and memory, your allowed to go in and look around but not allowed to remember it?

Are they also disallowing people with photographic minds too?

One reason to photo in a shop is to take pictures of what your buying. Its easier to get a better price elsewhere if you have a photo of the price.

The main reason places ban photography is that it can be used to expose bad practices. Like if fire doors are covered, things you could potentially sue over if anything happens.

Perverts are illegal anywhere, so I can’t see why that is an excuse