To arms Rioters - Drive the Emos from Garema Place! (unless you are a Garema Place Emo, in which case prepare to repel boarders)

“We’ve been trying to deal with horrible drunk emos every day who are yelling abuse and generally being a bit nasty.”

After meeting these people today i honestly think someone needs to be arrested. Today i was leaving civic center walking towards my bike (opposite the road from ‘top bargain’. As i was unlocking my bike I overheard yelling and abusive language (over my headphones), when i looked up about 3 males, lead my one particularly ‘bogan’ chick (wearing camouflage pants) were walking down the middle of the road trying to pick a fight with anyone who looked at them. After they had created a scene yelling and calling everyone a ‘f**king c**t’ they moved back to the pillow, joined the emos and continued to yell from there. The girl must have been on drugs, i don’t think i’ve ever met someone like that before.

Granny said :

Absolutely! See sheep lawnmower thread, Ari ….

oh, you mean the sheep stealing two?

Absolutely! See sheep lawnmower thread, Ari ….

Reminds me of Thelma and Louise.

Oh, yeah …!

; )

Granny said :

That’s totally how it is. I can tell you it was only my suicidal lemming impulse that made me jump!

lol … you have that too, huh? 😛

L

That’s totally how it is. I can tell you it was only my suicidal lemming impulse that made me jump!

Granny said :

I would suggest that moderation is more of an art than a science.

johnboy said :

Inconsistency is the price of freedom and there’s nothing I can do about that.

I whole-heartedly agree with both those comments. I (for one) don’t expect JB to read every comment as it occurs. He is but one person! As long as consistency is being applied whenever possible, though, the other times shouldn’t cause too much grief, if only because commenters will understand completely what is acceptable and what isn’t, and will not expect to get away with unacceptable behaviour regardless of the time of day.

Granny said :

Sometimes it can be hard to get the courage to speak up though, as when L was put through the mill on the Jessica Good thread. I wanted to speak up for her, but just felt too intimidated. In the end I was glad that I posted my infamous ‘barking’ comment and felt I could hold my head up again.

I wasn’t planning on bringing up the Jessica Good thread, but since it has reared its ugly head, I will say this:
Imagine a bar or a pub full of sports fans, fans of a game which you don’t know much about or like. Imagine that they’re all taller and stronger than you, speak in a language you only halfway understand, and belittle anyone who isn’t totally focused on their sport. Now imagine that you walk into this bar, wearing a shirt that says, “I AM NOT A FAN OF SPORT”. Just imagine it for a minute. How would you feel? Nervous? Afraid? Different? Out of place?

L

I use IE6 so am typing blind into a white field, but its originally just a french word meaning ‘to flush’.

I agree, JB.

mutley said :

Or the terrible American term – douche?

I’m not sure that’s gender specific though. Sure only a woman (well at least I hope to god only a woman) uses a douche, however the douche itself could be a male or female douche.

Or is it the application that determines the…application?

Also from time to time I sleep, shower and eat.

On rare occasions I’m away from the computer to get new content to amuse or inform you all with.

On rarer occasions still I do something that isn’t Riot related at all.

I find that during those increasingly rare breaks, as sure as sunrise, someone has been a turd in the comments. When others have then responded to them with useful information it gets very hard to unscramble the eggs without throwing out the whole omelette.

So there will always be inconsistency as long as we let the vast majority of readers comment without pre-moderation.

Inconsistency is the price of freedom and there’s nothing I can do about that.

Some good points, as always, L!

: )

As a family moderator i.e. parent, I do tend to find that historical cases cause me no end of trouble from those threatened with the mod queue …. It seems that their memories are like elephants when the issue concerns their own self-interest and mine is that of Dory the fish.

As much as we all long for consistency and fairness our humanity does tend to get in the way.

I would suggest that moderation is more of an art than a science.

I personally enjoy RA and am happy enough to submit to the umpire.

I am certainly pleased that this area is getting a little more focus, but will hopefully not faint away and need smelling salts if called a douche or a bint.

Sometimes it can be hard to get the courage to speak up though, as when L was put through the mill on the Jessica Good thread. I wanted to speak up for her, but just felt too intimidated. In the end I was glad that I posted my infamous ‘barking’ comment and felt I could hold my head up again.

johnboy said :

Ladies it’s always going to be a journey rather than a destination.

And simply because I haven’t gone in and purged comments on a past discussion (over 9,000 of them and I was away for 18 months) does not mean I’m happy with the way things came out.

Having said that I thank you for sticking around and doubly so those of you who point out when they’ve been offended, we can’t move forward without that feedback.

So thanks, it’s something I’m working on, and I appreciate any help you can give.

I don’t think anyone expects (or wants) you to remove past comments. Once they’ve been said, I think they should be left for posterity – removal of comments is just censorship. Give the warning, and if you choose to moderate, apply an even hand. Either moderate all or moderate none.

And thanks for the considered response – that, more than anything else, speaks volumes about your attitude towards the matter.

L

Ladies it’s always going to be a journey rather than a destination.

And simply because I haven’t gone in and purged comments on a past discussion (over 9,000 of them and I was away for 18 months) does not mean I’m happy with the way things came out.

Having said that I thank you for sticking around and doubly so those of you who point out when they’ve been offended, we can’t move forward without that feedback.

So thanks, it’s something I’m working on, and I appreciate any help you can give.

Granny said :

I actually really appreciate JB’s stance on this.

I would too, if only JB could apply it across the board. This site sees quite a lot of sexist comment. Never before (in my experience) has it been jumped on so quickly. To my mind, it has nothing to do with what (exactly) was said, or even who said it, but who it was said about.

I don’t really mind whether JB chooses to moderate sexist behaviour or not – it’s ultimately his decision, and we will all either choose to stay or go depending on our own personal reactions to that. Whatever JB chooses to do about sexist behaviour though, should be applied fairly, and not warped based on his opinion of the target. Threatening to moderate when the target is someone he is clearly friendly with, but letting it slide when he appears to share the opinion, proves an imbalance.

That said, this website would not benefit from an Acceptable Standards Policy – it would take away a lot of what is good about the RA. But JB does need to remember that he is the sole moderator – that is a position that brings responsibility, and that responsibility is in a very large part about equality and fairness. In law, each case is judged on its own merits, but that judgement is based on historical cases, in order to maintain fairness.

L

Yes, thank you DMD. I did know!

Yes. It’s a lady-part cleaner.

I agree with Granny, I think the term is offensive. But there are derogatory terms all over this site – I doubt there is a single RA article that doesn’t offend someone. I think what other posters are calling for is consistency. JB hasn’t moderated another thread today where it is apparently appropriate to refer to children as “little bovines” and “turds” and “f*ckers”. To moderate the term “bimbo” whilst allowing another whole thread dedicated to comments on a female TV personality’s clothing and breasts is very inconsistent!

I’m sure he meant it in the nicest possible way ….

*guffaw*

You people do actually know what the word usually means, when its not being used as an insult, right?

Quiet vs Loud ones would be entirely up to the recipient.

tylersmayhem said :

Why only quiet douche’s DMD, why not loud ones (not that I knew there were variations)?

Why? Why god? What did we do wrong?

Nope Douche is terrible.

Everytime I hear bint I think of Fawlty Towers. “You cloth eared bint!!”

Why only quiet douche’s DMD, why not loud ones (not that I knew there were variations)?

*chuckle*

Quiet douche. I like it.

Seriously though, the only person I’ve really heard call someone a bint is my mum.

Or the terrible American term – douche?

That is true, DMD.

What about a-hole or bastard? They’re pretty male-oriented terms.

tylersmayhem said :

@Skidbladnir: I got halfway through and gave up trying to work out what the hell you were on about!

On the other hand, you no longer care about knowing or defining the moderation rules. 🙂

I actually really appreciate JB’s stance on this.

It’s like, a black person can call another black person ‘nigger’ or refer to themselves that way, but it is just wrong for anyone else to do it.

I have a lot of respect for Aurelius and I don’t believe he meant any harm, but it is a derogatory term and it is applied to women. I personally do find the term offensive, as I think I made clear when I satirised its use in another post.

I think society often believes it is acceptable to use vilifying terms when referring to women that would be simply unacceptable in reference to indigenous people groups or religious minorities.

The fact that women as a group are not a minority, but a majority, and we still tolerate this behaviour simply boggles my mind.

@Skidbladnir: that was the most drawn out, wordy load of drivel I’ve seen in a long time. So much so I got halfway through and gave up trying to work out what the hell you were on about! So sorry, I haven’t read your last post.

The CT story and the apology are both Lame with a massive L. I mean, honestly, we must be the only territory in the world where this sort of stuff really matters. If people are so riled up over not being able to understand that showing up in bright colours and cheering to ‘battle’ someone is not an incitement to violence, then I have lost faith in the people of the A.C.T.

Lame whining sacks of good-for-nothings.

Skidbladnir said :

Tylersmayhem, Aurelius, and the rest screaming for rules written in johnboy’s sweat and blood:

Short, simple, and flexible rules allows for two things that you won’t find in a seventy page EULA or ToS…
Flexibility varying with context, and violations against the “spirit of the rules” instead of _letter of and interpretation of the word violations_.

Any object in which all elements respond predictably is brittle, and a constraint of structure over function stifles innovative use.
Simple flexible rules keep things ‘fair'[1], structured formats tend to break under strain.

By committing to a formalised TOS you also commit to neverending maintenence of that ToS, as the price of exercising the ToS is eternal vigilance, and stifling your growth by only allowing in users who conform to the ToS.

If someone has a system using clearly defined rules, an environment to play in, and guidelines on how those rules are to be implemented and managed, I make it a task to break those constraints on purpose, or bend them as one-off proof of concept tests for use in design variation requests.
I get paid to do this everyday.

So, what exactly is the general form rule of Riot behaviour, and how are those behaviours determined by its members?
Make it perfect though, or it won’t last forever.

[1]: Your definition of fair may vary from mine. This is also fair.

skid,

I thought that the moderator’s decision is THE decision.

no appeals.

if it is jazz or JB, it is the RiotACT.

same for my day to day work. if someone asks me for a BAFO, for a small opportunity, they probably won’t like the response. I represent the company i work for. All decisions that i make are for the company.

considering that the level of moderation here is fair, I will continue to respect the Moderator’s decisions.

regards to the emos and the attempt to “drive them out” they would only be replaced by the older alcoholics, and they are far nuttier, potentially violent and basically scarier than an emo.

tylersmayhem said :

Where’s Granny when some calm needs to be dispensed and some decent perspective given.

Granny was having a very bad day yesterday, but it did improve.

: )

Tylersmayhem, Aurelius, and the rest screaming for rules written in johnboy’s sweat and blood:

Short, simple, and flexible rules allows for two things that you won’t find in a seventy page EULA or ToS…
Flexibility varying with context, and violations against the “spirit of the rules” instead of _letter of and interpretation of the word violations_.

Any object in which all elements respond predictably is brittle, and a constraint of structure over function stifles innovative use.
Simple flexible rules keep things ‘fair'[1], structured formats tend to break under strain.

By committing to a formalised TOS you also commit to neverending maintenence of that ToS, as the price of exercising the ToS is eternal vigilance, and stifling your growth by only allowing in users who conform to the ToS.

If someone has a system using clearly defined rules, an environment to play in, and guidelines on how those rules are to be implemented and managed, I make it a task to break those constraints on purpose, or bend them as one-off proof of concept tests for use in design variation requests.
I get paid to do this everyday.

So, what exactly is the general form rule of Riot behaviour, and how are those behaviours determined by its members?
Make it perfect though, or it won’t last forever.

[1]: Your definition of fair may vary from mine. This is also fair.

Tylers, I forgot your “student in year 2? comment….

Ahhh, those were the days *wiping tear out of eye*

Aurelius said :

I am far from being a one-eyed party member, as I am sure Jakez would vouch.
I don’t stand behind everything the party says, despite your claims, but I have said I stand behind my own words.

I do vouch for that. I have found Aurelius to be completely honest and fair about politics, and not a blind shill for anything with ‘ALP on its arse’.

He’s like the ALP version of me…..but without the whole crazy libertarian thing.

Tylers, I forgot your “student in year 2” comment….

jakez said :

I want to see how long this lasts before johnboy plays the ‘don’t like it, leave’ card.

johnboy said :

Or I can just tell you how it’s going to be and we move on.

I’ve chosen the latter. Deal with it or bog off, I really don’t care. You’re far more trouble than you’re worth.

You know, he went a lot longer without using it than I thought he would.

Who I choose to apologise to is a matter for my conscience, and mine alone. It gets dealt with on a case by case basis.

Fair enough for the commentators’ comments, but I would have thought that “stirring up trouble” for candidates by making them accountable for the things they say is what the RiotAct is all about.

Aurelius said :

Mike,
And if you have been reading my comments throughout the site, you’ll know that I serve it up to candidates from my own, as well as other parties quite often (so much so that I expect that I could be disciplined within the party if my identity were more widely known).

HAHA you chicken. At least I have the balls to put my real name to my Burke and Pratt bashing.

Tylers,
Probably this one
http://the-riotact.com/?p=8188

Hahahaha: thanks for bringing me back to that little gem. You’ve just had me in hysterics for the last little while. I can’t believe some of the comments in that one, mine included. I still stand by my description though!

Thanks for that Aurelius!

You’re far more trouble than you’re worth.

I probably would have used the term “Rabble Rouser”, but hey, that’s just a finer point really!

The only ones who don’t are your darlings from the ALP and the Libs because they are under firm orders to…blah blah blah

For Pete’s sake Crowther. Give it a rest! We know your policies, we’ve heard your (and most other politicians) schoolyard slagging of each other, had your unsolicited propaganda placed in our mailboxes, and now I even have to ride my bike past a billboard your face every morning. We get it!

I for one won’t be voting for you, simply because of the tact you take on this site, and the way in which you use RA. Oh, and your billboard picture causes waves of nausea on my commute in the morning – this I REALLY don’t appreciate!

“let the sitting MLA’s field all the questions”

Enough with the bloody apostrophes already.
Sheesh…

TM,

I could spend my days debating with you on the finer points of an all-encompassing and constantly updated acceptable use document.

No one else would enjoy reading it, I’d hate doing it, and nothing of any value would come of it.

Or I can just tell you how it’s going to be and we move on.

I’ve chosen the latter. Deal with it or bog off, I really don’t care. You’re far more trouble than you’re worth.

Tylers,
Probably this one
http://the-riotact.com/?p=8188

Mike,
And if you have been reading my comments throughout the site, you’ll know that I serve it up to candidates from my own, as well as other parties quite often (so much so that I expect that I could be disciplined within the party if my identity were more widely known).
I have on several occasions requested ALP candidates front up for RiotAct’s Sim City challenges, and I also suggested to 2 candidates during recent chats they reply to the questionairre recently sent out (I don’t think they will, but that’s their call). I am far from being a one-eyed party member, as I am sure Jakez would vouch.
I don’t stand behind everything the party says, despite your claims, but I have said I stand behind my own words.

At the end of the day – do not put anything into an electronic media that you do not want plastered all over the free press.

She should have known better – wether this was to a collective or not..it still expresses her opinions, and as a voter, to me, its opinions that matter.

As a matter of interest Aurelius – which Jessica Good post are you referring to? There are so many.

I for one appreciate and back-up your last comment, as I too find it difficult to define rules and restrictions on RA sometimes, and the goal posts always seem to move depending on certain people moods, or who the poster is. You summed up all my thoughts very well (much better than I could) and I think it deserves a better reply than a spoilt brat toned “No. Use your brain. Stop whining. Last warning.”

Perhaps we are alone on this one?!

mutley said :

I agree with jakez at #116. I’m not sure if it had been any candidate from one of the main parties (or even some of the indies for that matter) that an apology would have been put forward.

Guys,

Who I choose to apologise to is a matter for my conscience, and mine alone. It gets dealt with on a case by case basis.

Maybe I will apologise to Zed some day, I’ve apologised to him in the past over things other commenters have said.

Aurelius, you are the master of hyperbole: “We all called her dumb…” RiotACT has some 52,000 unique visitors per month. Some dozen regular posters smelled blood in the water and went after E.K. I read it, thought it was careless talk for a candidate and she’ll lean that what’s good language in a theatre doesn’t translate when your dealing with the circling pack. End of minor ripple. So speak for yourself, not ‘all’ ok? Personally I’ve found Elena Kirshbaum to be highly a intelligent and personable individual. Qualities woefully lacking in some of the incumbents.

Of course she’ll make mistakes with public comment. Most new candidates do but at least we are putting ourselves out there where people can make up their minds about us. The only ones who don’t are your darlings from the ALP and the Libs because they are under firm orders to keep their mouths shut and let the sitting MLA’s field all the questions. When did one of your ALP hopefuls last go live to air (written and paid advertising doesn’t count btw)?

Of course you stand behind your comments, you’d happily stand behind a retarded wombat so long as it had ‘ALP’ branded on its arse.

I agree with jakez at #116. I’m not sure if it had been any candidate from one of the main parties (or even some of the indies for that matter) that an apology would have been put forward.

No.

Use your brain. Stop whining.

Last warning.

JB,
What I seek is simply clarification.
I have not been abusive to other posters, because it’s been made clear that you will moderate people for such behaviour. But using colourful language, while remaining within the bounds of what one would say in front of one’s aging mother, is part and parcle of being here.
Compare what is being said in this thread with either of the Jessica Good ones. Or the Mark Carmody one. Or just about any thread where a public figure is being criticised.
If you can clarify for us (and not me, but all of us) what makes this thread different to others, then I (and others) can make sure we do not exceed the bounds in future.
If you object to language of a particular type, I have requested that you cite what it is you find objectionable. I have cited the dictionarys I have looked up to justify my use of a word, and why it is in context. I have invited you to do similar.
I can accept being moderated for being offensive to other posters, because it’s a clearly defined rule. But this is starting to look a lot like “Don’t question my authority”, when nothing has been said in this thread is particularly unusual for Riot Act.
In a nutshell Johnboy, you want us to comply with the rules, tell us what they are. And be prepared to defend them to those who question them. And be prepared to impose them equally on all threads, even those about Jessica Good’s sexual habits (because there was a much different measure being used in that thread to this).

“I believe Eeyore predates Snuffy.”

LOL! I suspect you’re right. Followed by Marvin.

And the surfeit of apostrophes in this thread (at least the first half before I gave up reading it all) is on par with the Woodstock thread.

OT I’m with Thumper. If some people choose to equate the word “battle” with weaponry and violence rather than the “battle of the bands” or chess kind of contest, then I think that says more about the mindset of those people than it does of Ms Kirschbaum.

As a former Garema worker, I can attest to these guys being a bit annoying, but generally in a pathetic kind of way. They really only get ugly (figuratively) when some of the residents of Havelock and Bega flats mix it up with them.

Storm – tea cup.

If I was worried about advertisers most of you would have been banished long ago.

Dumb is not a problem, Bimbo is. Any further argument will see the poster into the mod queue.

double post…. possibly.

I actually thought emo’s were the old crazy types that sit and yell at pigeons, trees etc. Perhaps that is what an emo can look forward to, in their declining years, or at least a house full of cats…

Aurelius, JB is just looking after any future “advertising” investment for the future, be the potential customers mindless or not 😉

jakez said :

tylersmayhem said :

I gotta back up Aurelius in this case. I understand me being modded (kind of) for calling Pottsy a wanker (although the term is more than suitable for him), but bint or bimbo – c’mon JB.

What’s that quote out of The Castle again…?

We’re going to Bonnydoon?

how’s the serenity?

oh, and the russians don’t seem to like emo’s either – from wikipedia:

In Russia, a law has been presented at the Duma to regulate emo websites and forbid emo style at schools at government buildings, for fears of emo being a “dangerous teen trend” promoting anti-social behaviour, depression, social withdrawal and even suicide.

Which ‘idiots things certain commentards have said’ are you apologising for, Johnboy?
I, for one, stand behind everything I’ve said.
She is a candidate. She said something dumb (by her and her party’s admission)
We all called her dumb for doing it.

So, for the green-dedicated voters who may live in Molonglo but were undecided about whose face they want in the Assembly, this just hauls in more votes for their banner candidates, probably Rattenbury.

All while alienating the ’emo\gothpunk\scene kiddies vote’ onto the independants or ‘underground’ causes, and giving room to manuvere with the elderly & SKIP voters afraid to go into Civic.
A match-losing own goal for a candidate turns into a win for an affiliated team to qualify into the regionals.

Its the election itself that is zero-sum by votes, not the candidate standings.

“She said she had been speaking in ”street language” when she called for friends to battle the emos and was surprised that the email had been made public.”

HAHAHAHA, funniest candidate ever. She sounds like one of the caricatures…sorry characters from Step up 2: The Streets.

Johnboy: I wonder if it was Zed Seselja whether you’d be apologising for any trouble caused?

Well you know there’s Youth. They are conscientuous and will lecture you at length about recycling and The Future.

And then whip out their mobile phones, have 30 minute showers, wash their ‘bestest most fav’ clothes every day, eat McDonalds, etc…

You forgot the bit where they lecture their parents about the evils of capitalism and then ask for $50 in the next breath.

Ooh looky, it’s an unreserved apology!

It was a silly thing for a candidate to email.

Perhas Ms. Kirshbaum should take all the broken glass away from the emos in Garema Place so they can’t harm themselves and stick to what she does best…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yD6gERhkjA

tylersmayhem said :

I gotta back up Aurelius in this case. I understand me being modded (kind of) for calling Pottsy a wanker (although the term is more than suitable for him), but bint or bimbo – c’mon JB.

What’s that quote out of The Castle again…?

We’re going to Bonnydoon?

I gotta back up Aurelius in this case. I understand me being modded (kind of) for calling Pottsy a wanker (although the term is more than suitable for him), but bint or bimbo – c’mon JB.

What’s that quote out of The Castle again…?

I believe Eeyore predates Snuffy.

Get Snuffleufagus from Sesame Street to lead them away.

After all, he’s the original Emo

An emo once sultrified me…

Took months of listening to British 80s pop to get over it.

If you’d had The Associates, you’d have felt happy. But I bet you didn’t.

You’re one surprising son of a b*tch rosebud.

So say we all.

whistle, it’s called Wikipedia. I think we’ve been through this before.

Very poetic.

Which yoof tribe does an emo belong to?

I am guessing that emos have their pant waists around their knees, have spiky dyed hair etc? But what is their outlook and philosophy of the world? I wanna be enlightened here.

You know, when we fought the Skin Heads, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question “Why?” Why are we as a people worth saving? We still flame each other because of greed and spite, jealousy, and we still visit all of our sins upon our children who are now Emos. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we’ve done, like we did with the Skin Heads. We decided to play God, create lifestyle choices. And when those lifestyle choices turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn’t our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you’ve created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can’t hide from the things that you’ve done anymore. (Plagiarised quote from Admiral Adama, BSG)

How does wearing beads and flowers help to obliterate the emos?

And what is an emo for the unenlightened?

I want to see how long this lasts before johnboy plays the ‘don’t like it, leave’ card.

And now I have checked dictionary.com for ‘bimbo’, your case looks weaker.
bimbo: n. a foolish person;
So, entirely within context.

johnboy said :

Normally I’d agree DMD, but it doesn’t seem to be the poptops causing trouble here.

Hey! You choose a different derisive term also, plz =-D

JB, at #53, I cited where my use of bint comes from. I also said there I could be wrong about her gender.
I haven’t looked up ‘bimbo’, but given that the person under discussion is female and doing something rather unwise, it’s hardly inappropriate.

Aurelius said :

Johnboy,
I am wondering what language it is you object to. I have accused this candidate more than once of being stupid. But this thread is a discussion of an act by a political candidate that many here agree was an act of stupidity. Whether her message was sent as a joke or not, she is a political candidate, and as such, is a bit lacking in something or other for sending such a message 2 weeks out from an election.
If commenters on RiotACT are to be moderated for calling politicians who do dumb things stupid, then I think that should be made clear to everyone. Because I am sure that and worse has been said about candidates from all colours of the political spectrum in this forum.

Bimbo, Bint, and any other sexually derogatory words you come up with. I shouldn’t have to explain it to you, but if you couldn’t wouldn’t use it to describe a man then don’t use it to describe a woman.

Why do I always miss out on the EMO bashing events?????

Johnboy,
I am wondering what language it is you object to. I have accused this candidate more than once of being stupid. But this thread is a discussion of an act by a political candidate that many here agree was an act of stupidity. Whether her message was sent as a joke or not, she is a political candidate, and as such, is a bit lacking in something or other for sending such a message 2 weeks out from an election.
If commenters on RiotACT are to be moderated for calling politicians who do dumb things stupid, then I think that should be made clear to everyone. Because I am sure that and worse has been said about candidates from all colours of the political spectrum in this forum.

People, please! With a nod to another thread, the plural of “emo” is “emos” not “emo’s”.

Now go and sit in the naughty corner ….

L

Last warning on the language Aurelius or I will mod you.

Td said :

Yeah – They’re emos. Tight, ill fitting pants, all dressesd in black with unwashed hair – they look like they’re made of cheese ‘cos they’re waxy and attract flies. Like lazy goths.

Wow that’s so unlike a real emo. Stupid mainstream society.

So government-hired out-of-town thugs are being imported to beat up locals?
Incited by some tree-hugging bimbo?
This is an outrage!!

Td said :

but in this caase they are being paid a retainer to be here by the ACT Government because Canberra is a notoriously bad place for street performers – this festival is there to encourage people to enjoy street performers, so that we can enjoy the same quality of performers that one can see working Southbank -the one in Brisbane and the one in Melbourne.

GOVERNMENT FUNDED!!!

Well now I’m really on the side of the emos! 😉

Yeah – They’re emos. Tight, ill fitting pants, all dressesd in black with unwashed hair – they look like they’re made of cheese ‘cos they’re waxy and attract flies. Like lazy goths.

Td,
If a political candidate displays stupid behaviour, they will be spoken of in less-than-flattering terms. The same as anyone else who displays stupidity in public.

skyhooks sang emo is not a dirty word

Td said :

Ooh Ooh! Almost forgot. There is no police presence in Civic. Why? There is a shopfront that seems totally unmanned and usually looks closed. It seems unbelievable that such flagrant disregard for the law – such as underage drinking often leading to violence, is allowed to go unchecked.
The police were asked to be present yesterday, and by all accounts the evening went along better. This message was just to guarantee a more supportive, community friendly group to be present. Yeah, just like a dance-off. Great!

But can we get the police dancing off with the emos?

(btw, are you absolutely 100% these are emos?)

Ooh Ooh! Almost forgot. There is no police presence in Civic. Why? There is a shopfront that seems totally unmanned and usually looks closed. It seems unbelievable that such flagrant disregard for the law – such as underage drinking often leading to violence, is allowed to go unchecked.
The police were asked to be present yesterday, and by all accounts the evening went along better. This message was just to guarantee a more supportive, community friendly group to be present. Yeah, just like a dance-off. Great!

I think this definitely needs to be put into context.
Firstly, the message went out to members of the Tilt Facebook group. All of these people know Elena, and are thoroughly aware that she would never incite violence toward anyone.
Secondly, these are not just “People who choose to present themselves differently” these are underage drunks in Civic whio aren’t just hurling abuse at the performers (most of them are quite positive to the performers actually – they are just loud and profane) They are abusive to the general public, and to each other. Some of them have started fighting on the stage, throwing punches and what-have-you. They are driving away people in Civic, particularly families with children, who are a large part of the target audience for this festival.

Lastly, these performers have travelled round the world. they can deal with abuse from people, ansd when a situation gets too hairy, they often choose not to perform – pretty sensible. but in this caase they are being paid a retainer to be here by the ACT Government because Canberra is a notoriously bad place for street performers – this festival is there to encourage people to enjoy street performers, so that we can enjoy the same quality of performers that one can see working Southbank -the one in Brisbane and the one in Melbourne.

And yes – ‘bint’ is offensive.

Aurelius said :

Or at least the rabid hippy chick seems to think so

I think the case is here, to put it simply; The crowds at Garema Place aren’t friendly, she is encouraging people who would enjoy the festivities more to come down.

Or at least the rabid hippy chick seems to think so

Zapruda said :

NO Mrshmellowman they are not, they are in fact human beings that decide to present themselves a little differently to yourself.

People need to stop being so scared of different things……..

Mrshmellowman please explain to me how they are “street theatre in themselves”?

Because they’re freaks and they need to be put in concentration camps.

*holds up the pin so someone else can have a jab*

Marshmellow, I think your line went over Zapruda’s head

NO Mrshmellowman they are not, they are in fact human beings that decide to present themselves a little differently to yourself.

People need to stop being so scared of different things……..

Mrshmellowman please explain to me how they are “street theatre in themselves”?

Sorry to ask a stupid question – F’ing New guy – but aren’t the darkly clad waifs sprawled across the public art in the centre of town some form of street theatre in themselves?

Not financially, but otherwise yes.

If you wrote a book on how to fail and sold none is it a success ?

Where’s Granny when some calm needs to be dispensed and some decent perspective given.

tastyjam said :

No, he’s just afraid of getting bad publicity. There’s a difference.

If someone is afraid of getting bad publicity, and successfully avoids doing an act that would result in bad publicity, doesn’t that make him smart? At least to some degree?

Of course, there are all those things that Stanhope has done that has resulted in bad publicity so…

Also not having his festival ruined by pesky kids.

No, he’s just afraid of getting bad publicity. There’s a difference.

She’s a candidate in an election.
If Stanhope wrote those words, there’d be uproar.
If Zed wrote them, ditto.
Just because she’s from the local branch of the loony tree hugging brigade doesn’t change anything</I.

Aurelius has a very good point there.

Yes, but from my point of view, i wouldn’t like hearing those words from Stanhope because I don’t like Stanhope. I take my unbiased view of this Greenie and consider that she’s doing it because she’s trying to improve a gig, and encourage local interest.

drop the “ph” from “phth”, as in phthalate and naphthalene

reclaim the diphthong! – hey we could all go and get totally like grammar-nazi on their arses (asses?) and like, totally reclaim ’emotional’ as a word and have them like totally slope off and get like a real name for their sorry selves..? word.

She’s a candidate in an election.
If Stanhope wrote those words, there’d be uproar.
If Zed wrote them, ditto.
Just because she’s from the local branch of the loony tree hugging brigade doesn’t change anything.

I can selectively quote out of context as well

battle the emo kids until they get the picture and f*** off.

Aurelius said :

Inciting people to violence is a crime.
She should be charged.
Tooks, VG, you know where she’ll be this evening, so I expect you’ll arrest her, yes?

Too far.

“I need a bucketload of people to come and be loud and supportive and great and battle the emo kids”

Pretty self explanatory. It could only be taken as violence if you didn’t consider this sentence in its proper context.

Goddamn it, it’s not violence! It’s simply overwhelming negative vibes with positive ones. Now I’m sounding like a hippy.

Of course it’s derogatory. She’s calling for violence in the streets. So is a disgrace to herself, her party and her society.

Zapruda said :

Tasty Jam, What is she implying when she says “so they will get picture and F**k off”

Segregate = to require, often with force, the separation of (a specific racial, religious, or other group) from the general body of society.

Leave them alone

Alright, i’ll eat my words. She is segregating.
But these emos aren’t being tolerant of others, so why should they receive tolerance back? If they were just sitting in a corner, chain smoking and listening to ipods, then I bet Elena Kirschbaum wouldn’t kick up a fuss.

It’s the fact that they’re yelling unprovoked abuse that substantiates Elena’s request.

She could of course call the cops to move ’em on if they are being really offensive.

Aurelius said :

JB, if she’s in the Greens, she’s a hippy. And dictionary.com says a bint is ‘a woman or girl’. I am assuming she is, based on her name, but I could be wrong.

I doubt I’ll ever be nominated for “Mr Right-on” awards. But I thought it was unnecessarily derogatory and objectifying.

Inciting people to violence is a crime.
She should be charged.
Tooks, VG, you know where she’ll be this evening, so I expect you’ll arrest her, yes?

No according to her message she wants people to ‘battle emo’s’…

Yeah, by “dressing in bright colours” and wearing beads. Does it really need to be pointed out that “battle” is quite often used in a figurative rather than literal sense?

JB, if she’s in the Greens, she’s a hippy. And dictionary.com says a bint is ‘a woman or girl’. I am assuming she is, based on her name, but I could be wrong.

AngryHenry said :

Ms Elena Kirschbaum (it has to ms being a Green) is just suggesting that there needs to be more people watching and applauding the performers to drown out the moans of the emos.

Nothing wrong with that.

No according to her message she wants people to ‘battle emo’s’…

Well she probably was using a very broad definition of ‘battle’. I tend to think Thumper is right as to intention, however I agree with Aurelius as to the result.

Oops! It should of course be genteel. Although gentile surrounds might also help.

amarooresident said :

If they can’t take a bit of razzing from some emo kids then perhaps they should hard’en the f**k up or take their art to more gentile surrounds.

Now you’re coming for the Jews???

Scarily, I don’t think sonics hair is artificially enhanced. it’s naturally like that.

I thought the whole point of street theatre is that it is in the public arena and therefore exposed to whatever the passing public has to say about the performance, good or bad. If they can’t take a bit of razzing from some emo kids then perhaps they should hard’en the f**k up or take their art to more gentile surrounds.

Ms Elena Kirschbaum (it has to ms being a Green) is just suggesting that there needs to be more people watching and applauding the performers to drown out the moans of the emos.

Nothing wrong with that.

No according to her message she wants people to ‘battle emo’s’…

The hippy chick may have been joking. But she’s a political candidate, and this is an election campaign. And she’s inciting violence toward a section of society she doesn’t like. If I’m being polite, she’s an idiot. If I’m not, I can insert a few words in there that will get me moderated.
Her incitement is totally unacceptable, and bordering on criminal.
The Greens should disendorse her immediately. Or be labelled as peace-loving as Stormfront.

And how do you discern an emo from say someone like me who likes to wear black with spikey hair ??

When its mob rules, no one gets to speak with reason…its raffertys rules, and hope to hell that you’re in the majority

I could see Johnny Cash getting into some strife if Elena set her eyes upon him.

Free country I say – hey, I don’t like emos, but I’m sure there are plenty more people who do not like me – live and let live.

Pretty poor example to be setting ESPECIALLY if you are a politician.

Not being a greens lover, in case you didn’t realise, I think the hippie chick has been taken out of context.

It’s a joke, surely…

It might be an attempt to up the crowd numbers, but I swear I’ve printed her message in full.

Also Elena’s a person, not a bint nor, as far as I know, a hippy.

This is exactly the kinda thing which sparked old Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold on a session of “correcting” people back in ’99. I’d suggest using caution folks!

Aurelius said :

“battle the emo kids until they get the picture and f**k off”?

What the frak?
I’m with AngryHenry on this one. I think it’s appalling this hateful hippy bint is wanting to exclude some people from the city.
Completely unacceptable, and I hope it backfires on her electorally.

And I’m with you, because you frakking like BSG!!!

So say we all!!!

To be serious, I think that she didn’t mean in any way for anyone to be violent however I think it represents a significant problem. I remember a few months ago reading a story about how emo’s in (either Brazil or Mexico, I think Mexico) were rounded up and beaten after a Facebook group called on people to converge and ‘solve the problem’.

I don’t know what has been going on in Garema Place nor do I know who the perpetrators are, but it’s the kind of collectivist mindset that is on display here that can be the catalyst for breakouts of violence and intimidation where innocent people are often caught up in the middle.

Replace emo with lebanese, and Garema Place with Cronulla Beach, and you get the same nonviolent message that led to the Cronulla Riot.

(I’m not saying that is going to happen, I’m merely illustrating the point).

The one who looks like a hedgehog!

I think he’s a bit old and stiff these days to be matching Zed on the dance floor.

Can he choose a champion? I reckon Andrew Barr would go OK.

Aurelius said :

Deadmandrinking said :

I wish the election could be solved with a dance-off. The debate would be just as relevant.

DMD, with his hair gel, we just know Sonic would be the better break-dancer.

I’m a bit behind, which one’s Sonic?

Deadmandrinking said :

I wish the election could be solved with a dance-off. The debate would be just as relevant.

DMD, with his hair gel, we just know Sonic would be the better break-dancer.

“battle the emo kids until they get the picture and f**k off”?

What the frak?
I’m with AngryHenry on this one. I think it’s appalling this hateful hippy bint is wanting to exclude some people from the city.
Completely unacceptable, and I hope it backfires on her electorally.

mutley said :

ooo… a dance off!!!!
I used to love those Breakdance movies. Gang warfare was always much cooler back then.

I wish the election could be solved with a dance-off. The debate would be just as relevant.

I like Ed Byrne’s comment, on being threatened with violence by an Emo:
“I think, out of the two of us, we both know who you’re most likely to harm”.

ooo… a dance off!!!!
I used to love those Breakdance movies. Gang warfare was always much cooler back then.

She never said drive them out, dude. They’re having a ‘vibe battle’, kind of like a dance-off, but they’re all too stoned and lazy to stand.

Tasty Jam, What is she implying when she says “so they will get picture and F**k off”

Segregate = to require, often with force, the separation of (a specific racial, religious, or other group) from the general body of society.

Leave them alone

tastyjam said :

AngryHenry said :

Pretty interesting someone from the Greens going on about segregating a part of our society and driving them out of the city.

Way to go…

She’s not asking anybody to segregate anyone. She just wants to combat the negative atmosphere these screamo’s are creating.

Yeah she is!

She’s labelled them emo’s and wants a whole group of people to drive them out of Civic.

How ’bout we get some timberworkers to drive the greenies out as well!?!?!

They’ve got just as much right to be in civic as anyone else.

Do you see where I’m going with this now?

The only way to create a tolerant society is to drive out and shoot the intolerant people.

(I don’t know if I’m joking there, sometimes).

AngryHenry said :

Pretty interesting someone from the Greens going on about segregating a part of our society and driving them out of the city.

Way to go…

She’s not asking anybody to segregate anyone. She just wants to combat the negative atmosphere these screamo’s are creating.

Pretty interesting someone from the Greens going on about segregating a part of our society and driving them out of the city.

Way to go…

I for one am rooting for the emo kids.

I figure if they win, the elation of victory will negate their life viewpoint and they will literally disappear from our universe.

On an only semi related point. I’m getting pretty sick of people calling every ‘alternative’ subgenre ’emo’.

THE NIHILISTIC CYBERGOTHPUNKS DEMAND RECOGNITION!

Those emo kids give me the shibs- I nearly tripped over two of them in Target the other day because they made camp on the floor sharing their i-Pod and looking miserable. Limbs and bad hair everwhere.

Why can’t they hang out somewhere damp and dimly lit?

peterh said :

NoAddedMSG said :

Loquaciousness said :

Aurelius said :

Get the emo’s out? where will they go next?

…create a lockdown in ainslie village. that should remove at least 50% of them…

There are emos in Ainslie Village? Awesome!

NoAddedMSG said :

Loquaciousness said :

Aurelius said :

Ostracizing emos?
Or ostrich-sizing emus?
And is it just me who wants to kill someone when they hear an American say emooo?

That might be just you. I do however want to kill someone whenever I see people using an American “zee” in their writing, when an English “ess” quite rightly belongs there.

L

Be glad you don’t work in science, where “a-mide” is becoming “ammmm-id”, the migrating F has claimed victory in the sulphur vs sulfur battle, and we are just waiting for lazy speaking to win out and drop the “ph” from “phth”, as in phthalate and naphthalene.

naffalene or palate?

I will stick to using meh.

OT, this woman wants to clean up Garema Place? Get the emo’s out? where will they go next? Garema place is fine, you wouldn’t want them cluttering up other areas of the city.

Oh and a thought. create a lockdown in ainslie village. that should remove at least 50% of them…

What a sorry excuse for a lady, I wonder if she has tried talking to them or is she Just going Straight to the “battle”

Good one Elena Kirschbaum fuel there already immense hate of people like you

Loquaciousness said :

Aurelius said :

Ostracizing emos?
Or ostrich-sizing emus?
And is it just me who wants to kill someone when they hear an American say emooo?

That might be just you. I do however want to kill someone whenever I see people using an American “zee” in their writing, when an English “ess” quite rightly belongs there.

L

Be glad you don’t work in science, where “a-mide” is becoming “ammmm-id”, the migrating F has claimed victory in the sulphur vs sulfur battle, and we are just waiting for lazy speaking to win out and drop the “ph” from “phth”, as in phthalate and naphthalene.

Check out:

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/22/funny-pictures-just-for-the-attention/

🙂

amarooresident said :

And really, this Green candidate really isn’t showing a lot of tolerence and understanding to what I might well be the Greens target market.

Well you know there’s Youth. They are conscientuous and will lecture you at length about recycling and The Future.

And then there’s people who are just young, and they don’t give much of a rat’s arse.

Sounds like it’s the Junkies, not the Emos they’re having trouble with. All that Garema entertainment is interfering with the Junkie panhandling.

The emos just sit there looking miserable, seldom engaging in conversation with anybody bar their blackened brethren.

If there upsetting Greens candidates then I am automatically on their side. Go emo! My tolerence for street performers is pretty low too.

And really, this Green candidate really isn’t showing a lot of tolerence and understanding to what I might well be the Greens target market.

Elena has it all wrong. You don’t fight emos with non-emos; that’s what they have spent months training for, and even if they win, they’ve forced you to their level! Bring in some goths, let them know that the Garema Emos are tarnishing their name, and let nature take it’s course. Though then you might have a new problem. I am sure South Park has done or will do an episode on this kind of emo infestation.

Took months of listening to British 80s pop to get over it.

Listening to The Feldons CD, I’d never have imagined 🙂

Aurelius said :

Ostracizing emos?
Or ostrich-sizing emus?
And is it just me who wants to kill someone when they hear an American say emooo?

That might be just you. I do however want to kill someone whenever I see people using an American “zee” in their writing, when an English “ess” quite rightly belongs there.

L

If they’re shouting abuse they’re not emo.
They’re… screamo.

I’ll make an appearance, sounds interesting.

Do you think it might be a case of Emos being confused with Scene Kids. (I’ve heard they’re two different things)…

Or junkies?

Normally I’d agree DMD, but it doesn’t seem to be the poptops causing trouble here.

Yeah…

I know it’s so easy to pick on them, but really, they’re a lot more harmless than the pop-collar lads. Just think of them as todays goths. I for one can remember long monologues about how life sucks, black metal is the answer and killing yourself is inevitable.

This is where i insert the obligatory emo grass cut itself comment.

There is a facebook group called something like save garema from teh clutches of the emo….

I thought emo’s were pretty quiet.

And you have to be very careful if you upset them:

But if you’re troubled and hurt
What you got under your shirt
Will make them pay for the things that they did.

Ostracizing emos?
Or ostrich-sizing emus?
And is it just me who wants to kill someone when they hear an American say emooo?

Be careful about ostracizing emos – it vindicates their angst and they become more surly.