Use of fog lights when there is no fog?

JC 13 March 2011 44

What is it with all these clowns with modern cars fitted with fog lights that choose to drive with them on even when there is no fog? Rule 217 of the national road rules, link below, clearly states “The driver of a vehicle fitted with front fog lights or rear fog lights must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility.”, so why do people use them?

Had a bit of a scare the other night on William Hovell Drive when I had a car coming towards me using their fog lights with no fog around. The passenger side light was out so could see 3 lights coming my way and being so dark and their lights so bright I couldn’t actually see their vehicle. With the passengers side out the drivers side fog light look all the world like there was a motor bike overtaking the other vehicle in my lane. So not good, almost gave me a heart attack. So one good reason why these things should not be used except in fog as stated in the rules.

As a test I turned the ones fitted to my car on the other night to see what they actually do with no fog around (of course their were no other cars around at the time). All I found was they lit up the road for about 5m in front of my car, so really pretty useless things to be using if there is no fog.

Would love to hear from one of these clowns that use them as to what they are hoping to achieve?

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2010-113/current/pdf/2010-113.pdf


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Pandy Pandy 9:22 pm 17 Mar 11

Holden Caulfield said :

JC said :

Maybe in the Audi they also double as ‘parking’ lights, which can and do stay on when the headlights are on.

Yes, they do. And when the headlights are on the formerly quite bright DRLs should become less bright once the headlights have been activated. Similarly, when the light switch is on the “parking” setting the DRLs will be less intense than when left in the “auto” setting.

there’s more to, but I’ll save from boring the audience too much, haha.

So mum bought you an Audi for Christmas then hey?

Couln’t afford a Porche then what?

EvanJames EvanJames 1:34 pm 15 Mar 11

People heading to the coast might have noticed the lit-up sign as you clear Qbn with a message about it being illegal to operate fog lights when it’s not foggy. Maybe the NSW Plod are planning to go after idiots who use them.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 1:01 pm 15 Mar 11

JC said :

Maybe in the Audi they also double as ‘parking’ lights, which can and do stay on when the headlights are on.

Yes, they do. And when the headlights are on the formerly quite bright DRLs should become less bright once the headlights have been activated. Similarly, when the light switch is on the “parking” setting the DRLs will be less intense than when left in the “auto” setting.

there’s more to, but I’ll save from boring the audience too much, haha.

davecdp davecdp 10:14 am 15 Mar 11

99% of people think they look cool or it makes their car go faster. The other 1% have either forgot to turn them off or are to lazy to read the manual to find out what that pesky light on the dash means.

As for Daytime Running Lights, Audi’s look ok and don’t bother me but the HSV equivalent looks like they went to Tandy and glued a $2 light strip on the front of the car!

JC JC 4:13 am 15 Mar 11

Pandy said :

dks00k said :

With regards to DRL’s (Daytime Running Lights), and the Australian Design Rules……

The daytime running lamp shall switch OFF automatically when the front
fog lamps or headlamps are switched ON, except when the latter are
used to give intermittent luminous warnings at short intervals.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/AD0ABC1330FAE9BFCA2575FC0030BA3B/$file/ADR1300Am3Compilation.pdf

Saw an Audi last night. when it turned on its headlights, its DRL dimmed then came back on.

Do Audi cars have their own rules then?

Maybe in the Audi they also double as ‘parking’ lights, which can and do stay on when the headlights are on.

Pandy Pandy 10:35 pm 14 Mar 11

dks00k said :

With regards to DRL’s (Daytime Running Lights), and the Australian Design Rules……

The daytime running lamp shall switch OFF automatically when the front
fog lamps or headlamps are switched ON, except when the latter are
used to give intermittent luminous warnings at short intervals.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/AD0ABC1330FAE9BFCA2575FC0030BA3B/$file/ADR1300Am3Compilation.pdf

Saw an Audi last night. when it turned on its headlights, its DRL dimmed then came back on.

Do Audi cars have their own rules then?

spinact spinact 10:22 pm 14 Mar 11

This is a pet hate of mine as well. From my experience fog lights do bugger with or without fog.

JC JC 9:18 pm 14 Mar 11

BenMac said :

“The driver of a vehicle fitted with front fog lights or rear fog lights must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility.”

JC said :

As a test I turned the ones fitted to my car on the other night to see what they actually do with no fog around

Says it all really.

Every driver is a better driver than someone else, and nothing I do is wrong. That’s what’s wrong with most drivers. We’re all guilty of it.

What does it say? I tested it on an open road with no one else around for about 5 seconds just to see what the fascination is and to see what magic they would provide, but alas found nothing to write home about. That is not saying I am a perfect driver, clearly I am far from it, however I will tell you I don’t go breaking the law just cause my car looks cool having these fancy lights on it. Mine in future will only be coming on in adverse weather which is what they are designed for.

Rollersk8r Rollersk8r 2:34 pm 14 Mar 11

Jethro said :

goggles13 said :

fog lights can also be used in low visibility conditions – such as heavy rain during the day.

don’t get me started on the number of cars that don’t use their normal headlights during fog, rain etc, but their car is silver, grey or something else that blends in.

and also don’t get me started on those who think that it is cool to hog the right lane….move over when you see a faster car come up behind you! traffic in canberra is not so bad that you can’t move to the right lane if you have to turn right. just don’t be in the right lane for 10km preparing for the right turn!!

I agree that you should stay left unless overtaking (I do). However, if you are in less than an 80 zone and the person in the right land is doing the speed limit and you are wanting to pass them because you are speeding, they are doing nothing illegal, but you are. The right lane doesn’t give you the ability to drive at 15 k’s above the speed limit.

What they said + 1. I regularly drive to Sydney and I reckon you’re only making it more stressful for yourself by pushing the boundaries of the speed limits. Hence I set the cruise control, stay left and overtake as necessary. BUT during my brief use of the right hand lane there’s ALWAYS someone coming up behind doing at least 30ks over the limit, demanding you clear the road. I refuse to suddenly jump up to 140-odd to save them 2 seconds – they can just wait.

My pet hate is often these very same people – who will be doing 140 – 150kmh trying to get by – and shoot off over the horizon – and then 10 minutes later you’re forced to overtake them doing about 90. And then it starts all over again. What do people in modern cars have against using cruise control?

goggles13 goggles13 11:01 am 14 Mar 11

Jethro said :

goggles13 said :

fog lights can also be used in low visibility conditions – such as heavy rain during the day.

don’t get me started on the number of cars that don’t use their normal headlights during fog, rain etc, but their car is silver, grey or something else that blends in.

and also don’t get me started on those who think that it is cool to hog the right lane….move over when you see a faster car come up behind you! traffic in canberra is not so bad that you can’t move to the right lane if you have to turn right. just don’t be in the right lane for 10km preparing for the right turn!!

I agree that you should stay left unless overtaking (I do). However, if you are in less than an 80 zone and the person in the right land is doing the speed limit and you are wanting to pass them because you are speeding, they are doing nothing illegal, but you are. The right lane doesn’t give you the ability to drive at 15 k’s above the speed limit.

I don’t drive at 15k’s above the limit, and never would. I do note that a fair number of canberrans do drive above the limit – which shows that some of the limits on some roads are not appropriate – the 75 percentile rule.

really the point is that drivers need to keep left, no matter the road to allow traffic to flow. there is nothing worse than someone day dreaming in the right hand lane oblivious to all that is happening around them.

Jethro Jethro 8:54 am 14 Mar 11

goggles13 said :

fog lights can also be used in low visibility conditions – such as heavy rain during the day.

don’t get me started on the number of cars that don’t use their normal headlights during fog, rain etc, but their car is silver, grey or something else that blends in.

and also don’t get me started on those who think that it is cool to hog the right lane….move over when you see a faster car come up behind you! traffic in canberra is not so bad that you can’t move to the right lane if you have to turn right. just don’t be in the right lane for 10km preparing for the right turn!!

I agree that you should stay left unless overtaking (I do). However, if you are in less than an 80 zone and the person in the right land is doing the speed limit and you are wanting to pass them because you are speeding, they are doing nothing illegal, but you are. The right lane doesn’t give you the ability to drive at 15 k’s above the speed limit.

Deref Deref 8:37 am 14 Mar 11

JC said :

Yep but they are not as bright as a fog light. The main difference between fogs and high beam is the fog light is angled to the ground to shine under the fog. Intensity wise though both are much the same. Running lights are not this bright.

I tend to agree. Those fog lights seem less bright than lob beam headlights. They don’t bother me. What really pisses me off is people with badly adjusted lights or the idiots who drive with their high beams on in daytime.

Tooks Tooks 8:14 am 14 Mar 11

As far as driving skill goes, and complete disregard for road rules, Canberra drivers are no exception.

What, like flashing your highbeams to teach someone a lesson? 😉

JC JC 6:37 am 14 Mar 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Some LED DRLs are pretty damn bright, especially the crude HSV ones. However, just as all DRLs are not created equally, nor are foglights. I find most foglights aren’t actually that bad in terms of distracting oncoming drivers and certainly no worse than some LED DRLs, which I generally have no dramas with.

The only foglights that have really pissed me off started around about the time of the VT Commodore SS. We used to have a 2001 Outback and the foglights on that were barely an improvement on a holding up a candle, haha.

Must admit for the most part running fogs at night just makes the drivers look like wankers, after all fogs are directed downwards so the only time they shine into the eyes is when you meet one coming over a rise in the road. But the law bans them because they can be distracting as my experience the other night showed. Who knows another driver may well have taken evasive action and ended up in the ditch on the side of the road.

BenMac BenMac 5:36 am 14 Mar 11

“The driver of a vehicle fitted with front fog lights or rear fog lights must not operate the fog light unless the driver is driving in fog or other hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility.”

JC said :

As a test I turned the ones fitted to my car on the other night to see what they actually do with no fog around

Says it all really.

Every driver is a better driver than someone else, and nothing I do is wrong. That’s what’s wrong with most drivers. We’re all guilty of it.

Diggety Diggety 12:47 am 14 Mar 11

Clown Killer said :

It’s a simple fact that if you find other drivers using for lights inappropriately a threat then your best bet would be to drive straight to the road transport office and hand in your drivers license and tell them that you’re simply too incompetent to drive a vehicle.

You have 100% control over what you do. None over what everyone else on the road is doing. End of story.

I hope you were really pissed when you wrote this story, Clown Killer.

“End of story” does not end with your “story”.

(Sorry).

scorpio63 scorpio63 11:47 pm 13 Mar 11

Admittedly JC I used to drive of an evening with the low fog lights on to light up the car a little more in defence of collisions until my son told me it was against the law and unnecessary [teenager] LOL.

Some people owning their first vehicle with fog lights simply are totally unaware and allowances for those people should be taken into consideration and not disrespectfully termed ‘clowns’.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 11:02 pm 13 Mar 11

Very Busy said :

Just so I know, could you give me some examples of makes and models of cars that are fitted with DRL’s and are described as such in the owners handbook?

All new model Audi have DRL, but only models fitted with xenon headlights will have the brighter LED DRLs.

All new HSVs have LED DRLs.

Many new Mercedes models, likewise and all new Porsche models.

Some Skoda models have LED DRLs, and you’ll start to see a lot more on Volkswagens now, too, with the new Golf and Polo GTIs having LED DRLs. All Golfs now have DRLs, but if they have regular halgoen headlights, it’s just the inner globes that use a regular filament globe. They’re quite effective actually.

Some BMWs have DRLs, too, although mostly the angel eyes style and AFAIK none are yet fitted with LED style lighting. IT’ll only be a matter of time, though, I suspect.

As far as I’m concerned you can’t have too many lights on during the day, high beams and foglights aside, of course. Mandatory DRLs would at least cover for the fools that drive in poor daytime conditions, such as heavy cloud/rain, where visibility of other cars on the road is greatly affected.

bigred bigred 10:55 pm 13 Mar 11

yeah I have seen plod VW as well. Officer Wayne Kerr at wheel obviously. Seriously, these cool lights below the bumper are a pox needing to be erased. An irritating offence eaSIER TO DETECT THAN SPEEDING. FFS, why not do something about it? How about a zero tolerance month, like speeding.

Davo111 Davo111 10:19 pm 13 Mar 11

Very Busy said :

Just so I know, could you give me some examples of makes and models of cars that are fitted with DRL’s and are described as such in the owners handbook?

Any new Holden HSV, Ford Performance Vehicle, Most sports cars, and most “medium cost’ european cars will have them (could be an extra).

If you run a search on google images for DRL you can see a range on different cars (some will be after-market).

Usually there are a strip of LEDs either around the headlight (in a line), or are bulked together where fog lights would usually be.

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/2010-hsv-eseries-2-r81.jpg

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