When will those cyclists learn to share?

ThatUniStudent 20 March 2012 71

I was reading this story on the news this morning about cyclists and their injuries, all caused by a lack of sharing apparently.

That’s right folks, cyclists should not have to share their bike paths with slow moving unregistered pedestrians. It causes accidents! This reminds me of another argument that goes along the lines of car drivers should not have to share their roads with slow moving unregistered cyclists, it causes accidents. It seems cyclists can’t share the road with cars, and can’t share bike tracks with pedestrians.

Now we’ve had dozens of threads about cyclists, pedestrians and cyclists, cars and cyclists, so you would think by now that the cyclists have learned that it is time to share. For some reason I still see silly buggers riding down parts of Canberra Avenue where there is no road bike lane, and totally ignore the bike path that runs along the north side of that busy road. I’ve seen them take on buses in the bus interchange. Yes, riding down the middle of the road, changing lanes at will, randomly and often enough to make you think they need riding lessons. Then there’s that idiot who rides down Commonwealth Avenue every morning who has road raged several buses and cars for “not leaving a gap wide enough for me to pass you” on the left. when it is illegal to pass because that’s creating another lane of traffic. Besides, he can pass on the footpath, that being perfectly legal here in the ACT.

I’m happy to share the road with these slow moving chicanes, yet they seem unhappy to share the road with cars, and unhappy to share the footpaths with pedestrians.


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davo101 davo101 2:01 pm 21 Mar 12

thatsnotme said :

How exactly has it succeeded? You posted a bike thread, and got the response you were expecting – so what? How exactly do you believe that you’ve shown the futility of this type of thread? I’d put money on this not being the last car vs bike vs pedestrian thread that gets a response here. Nothing will change based on your little experiment, so you’ll have proven exactly what?

I had just assumed that ThatUniStudent was making a bid for this month’s Mully.

Erg0 Erg0 1:36 pm 21 Mar 12

thatsnotme said :

How exactly has it succeeded? You posted a bike thread, and got the response you were expecting – so what? How exactly do you believe that you’ve shown the futility of this type of thread? I’d put money on this not being the last car vs bike vs pedestrian thread that gets a response here. Nothing will change based on your little experiment, so you’ll have proven exactly what?

I think I’ve mentioned this before, but the bike vs car threads here are nothing compared to other, non-community based, forums. I’ve seen threads on Amazon.com, of all places, descend to death threats disturbingly quickly at the mere mention of cyclists.

poetix poetix 11:46 am 21 Mar 12

jase! said :

poetix said :

To the person who wants to throw things at people in his way (Jase #34), it’s nice to see how all that exercise has made you so relaxed and gentle.

Third post on a cycling thread! That’s a sad first for me.

That isn’t what I said and wasn’t the point I was making but I think you know that, I was making a statement about the lack of situational awareness by path users and how it is compounded by iPods to the point where the traditional bike warning device has been rendered useless.

nice troll though

I never troll! And if you want to know where I got the idea that you might want to throw things at people:

jase! said :

given the prevalence if talkers and ipod wearers the only way to be sure a bell will get someones attention these days is to throw the bloody thing at them. If I could find a way to fit a stebel horn (google it) to my bike it would be awesome

Just wanted to clear that up. I do realise that you were being sarcastic though, now that I know what that means. Now I think we have oiled the chain more than enough, don’t you?

thatsnotme thatsnotme 11:43 am 21 Mar 12

poetix said :

Actually, I think the word you were looking for here was satiric, rather than sarcastic, but I’ll leave you to look the difference up. I think there may be lots of different form of trolling, some of them quite subtle. It really just means trying to shape the conversation in a particular way, doesn’t it? (And it’s spelt ‘succeeded spectacularly’, by the way.)

Thanks for summing up what I was thinking, but couldn’t figure out how to express.

So ThatUniStudent, you came onto Riot Act, started a negative bike thread, then sat back to watch what happened. How novel…it’s not like the result wasn’t a foregone conclusion. Trolling is all about posting something with the intention of producing an emotional response – you managed to do that, but it’s hardly difficult given your choice of topic.

Considering that my sarcastic post was intended to show the futility of arguments between cyclists and car drivers, or cyclists and pedestrians for that matter, and to start such a futile thread, it has suceeded spectacually.

How exactly has it succeeded? You posted a bike thread, and got the response you were expecting – so what? How exactly do you believe that you’ve shown the futility of this type of thread? I’d put money on this not being the last car vs bike vs pedestrian thread that gets a response here. Nothing will change based on your little experiment, so you’ll have proven exactly what?

jase! jase! 11:37 am 21 Mar 12

poetix said :

To the person who wants to throw things at people in his way (Jase #34), it’s nice to see how all that exercise has made you so relaxed and gentle.

Third post on a cycling thread! That’s a sad first for me.

That isn’t what I said and wasn’t the point I was making but I think you know that, I was making a statement about the lack of situational awareness by path users and how it is compounded by iPods to the point where the traditional bike warning device has been rendered useless.

nice troll though

jase! jase! 11:35 am 21 Mar 12

poetix said :

To the person who wants to throw things at people in his way (Jase #34), it’s nice to see how all that exercise has made you so relaxed and gentle.

Third post on a cycling thread! That’s a sad first for me.

That isn’t what I said, and wasn’t the point I was making but I think you know that. I was making a point about the lack of situational awareness by path users and how it is compounded by iPods to the point where the traditional bike warning device has been rendered useless.

poetix poetix 10:59 am 21 Mar 12

ThatUniStudent said :

LoL! Ha, excellent. Considering that my sarcastic post was intended to show the futility of arguments between cyclists and car drivers, or cyclists and pedestrians for that matter, and to start such a futile thread, it has suceeded spectacually. Hey, add yourself to number 10 on that list eh. Besides, trolling is done with the intention to harass, and I made no attempt to harass anyone, unlike yourself. Nice try, but you failed.

Actually, I think the word you were looking for here was satiric, rather than sarcastic, but I’ll leave you to look the difference up. I think there may be lots of different form of trolling, some of them quite subtle. It really just means trying to shape the conversation in a particular way, doesn’t it? (And it’s spelt ‘succeeded spectacularly’, by the way.)

To the person who wants to throw things at people in his way (Jase #34), it’s nice to see how all that exercise has made you so relaxed and gentle.

Third post on a cycling thread! That’s a sad first for me.

Deckard Deckard 9:57 am 21 Mar 12

Felix the Cat said :

Possibly a lot of the ones you see in Civic area are Uni students and may of come from a different country where the helmets aren’t required and it’s considered “normal” there to ride all over the the road/footpath/wherever. They probably just haven’t been educated on the rules of riding bikes in Australia and may not have a car licence so aren’t familiar with rules.

No, like people who smoke pot, illegally download movies, jaywalk, drive through pedestrian crossings without stopping and do 90 in an 80 zone, I think they really just couldn’t give a sh*t…

Erg0 Erg0 9:44 am 21 Mar 12

Felix the Cat said :

Possibly a lot of the ones you see in Civic area are Uni students and may of come from a different country where the helmets aren’t required and it’s considered “normal” there to ride all over the the road/footpath/wherever. They probably just haven’t been educated on the rules of riding bikes in Australia and may not have a car licence so aren’t familiar with rules.

I’m not sure if you’re intending to imply that it’s not their responsibility to educate themselves on the laws and customs of their adopted land?

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:41 am 21 Mar 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

I’ve had issue before with cyclists on the roads, but recently it has become a pedestrian vs cyclist issue.
The news.com.au article says that 1 in 4 cyclists presenting to hospital have head injuries. From what I’ve seen in Civic, only 1 in 4 actually wear helmets. Most of those do not ride to the left of the road, stop for pedestrians at pedestrian crossings or have any real consideration for anyone but themselves. They are worse than the lycra wearing variety of bipeds and probably have some problems in their head to start with.

Possibly a lot of the ones you see in Civic area are Uni students and may of come from a different country where the helmets aren’t required and it’s considered “normal” there to ride all over the the road/footpath/wherever. They probably just haven’t been educated on the rules of riding bikes in Australia and may not have a car licence so aren’t familiar with rules.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 5:20 am 21 Mar 12

I’ve had issue before with cyclists on the roads, but recently it has become a pedestrian vs cyclist issue.
The news.com.au article says that 1 in 4 cyclists presenting to hospital have head injuries. From what I’ve seen in Civic, only 1 in 4 actually wear helmets. Most of those do not ride to the left of the road, stop for pedestrians at pedestrian crossings or have any real consideration for anyone but themselves. They are worse than the lycra wearing variety of bipeds and probably have some problems in their head to start with.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 11:04 pm 20 Mar 12

Jethro said :

astrojax said :

Henry82 said :

damien haas said :

Maybe we should have only ONE anti-cyclist story a month on RA ?

I think we should just have one consolidated thread entitled ‘cyclist vs cars’ and have it sticked to the sidebar.

no way! – it’d have to be ‘cars versus cyclists’… 😉

versus pedestrians

Why are people so unkind?

luv_this_city luv_this_city 10:16 pm 20 Mar 12

did anywhere in the research mention the impact of the shared paths themselves on the injuries, like blind corners, loose surface, debris, vegetation, uneven surface, no lighting, etc ?

.. or the impact of the behaviour of shared path users like not keeping left, no control of dogs, poor bicycle control, distractions, not being single file (when it makes sense), not ringing bell when passing, not keeping a lookout ?

BTW I recall it is against the law to ride on the road where a shared path is provided.

And please remember not all cyclist are inconsiderate un-sharing idiots, a small minority methinks, just as not all motorists are speeding, drunk, red light running, illegal parking, non-indicating, mobile phone chatting, twats.

Had a great ride today, must go pay the $840 on my second car now..

Jethro Jethro 10:08 pm 20 Mar 12

ThatUniStudent said :

LoL! Ha, excellent. Considering that my sarcastic post was intended to show the futility of arguments between cyclists and car drivers, or cyclists and pedestrians for that matter, and to start such a futile thread, it has suceeded spectacually.

If that was your intent, you failed spectacularly.

However, if your intent was to look like a toss-pot, in that sir, you were successful.

Henry82 Henry82 9:58 pm 20 Mar 12

astrojax said :

no way! – it’d have to be ‘cars versus cyclists’… 😉

“consolidated cyclist thread” 🙂

Hosinator Hosinator 9:53 pm 20 Mar 12

Pedestrians should be made to pay rego fees, third party insurance and wear license plates.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:19 pm 20 Mar 12

Solidarity said :

I hate cyclists.

No real reason why.

Just putting it out there

I hate people with nickname Solidarity

No real reason why.

Just putting it out there

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 9:17 pm 20 Mar 12

Dilandach said :

A great big irritation of mine is walking with dil jr down near the library side of the lake where all the cafes are and having some armstrong wannabe riding full speed along the path closest to the lake. Anyone who has a three year old would understand they aren’t perfect little soldiers that will want to hold your hand and only march in step with you with eyes straight ahead. They’re kids. Especially around that area, its a good place for them to have a little run.

Not if there is danger of being run over by a bike. Let dil jr go for a run on grassy area off the bike path. If you know there is a reasonble chance of a bike to be speeding along the path (yes it’s wrong but lots of things are “wrong” and still happen) surely it would be a good idea to hold jr’s hand and not let go? No good writing “I was right, cyclist was wrong” on jr’s gravestone.

Dilandach said :

And having one of these clowns hit a small child at the speed they go at, would cause a lot of damage..

Yes it would, to both parties.

Dilandach said :

Its the feeling of entitlement that you get from cyclists as they race past without a care for anyone else. God forbid if you call them on the behaviour, be prepared for a speech on rights etc. Just don’t mention the risk of having to pry a toddler out of their spokes.

Yes, unfortunately some cyclists think the path is only for bikes, not pedestrians as well. Not sure what the solution is, confronting them doesn’t work, just leads to defensive anger, maybe more education of people in general on path use and ettiquitte.

Aeek Aeek 9:14 pm 20 Mar 12

damien haas said :

Maybe we should have only ONE anti-cyclist story a month on RA ?

It would win the Mully every month.

Boring.

luv_this_city luv_this_city 9:13 pm 20 Mar 12

+1 for the Delta AirZhound, 115 DB that is VERY useful on shared and on-road, how I use

a tinkle of the bell to just say i’m here, a quick blast at distance (so you can fetch your dog, tighten leash, move left, whatever) and a big blast if you are in danger (or for cars)

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