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Greens want induced traffic to be scrutinised

By johnboy - 7 June 2011 27

The Greens Amanda Bresnan is calling for a change to the way the ACT Government plans road projects.

Sadly not to build bigger and better roads, but rather they want us to consider the ways that less roads will lead to less road use.

Amanda Bresnan, ACT Greens transport spokesperson, cited a new report from the Victorian Auditor General, which criticised the Victorian Roads Authority for failing to assess the induced traffic caused by new roads. This results in an overestimating of the benefits of the road, “giving decision-makers false confidence about the capacity of the improved road network to cope with future traffic.”

“This is exactly the issue that the ACT Greens have repeatedly raised with the ACT Government, and which it continues to ignore. The ACT Government is committing the same faults that are criticised in this report,” said Ms Bresnan.

“The number one recommendation of the report is that the roads authority take account of the significance of induced traffic. This concept recognises that building major new roads increases the amount of travel and traffic, creating an overall increase in fuel and greenhouse emissions, and fails to reduce commuters’ travel times.”

“The ACT Government’s website on Majura Parkway continues to claim that a new Majura Parkway will ‘relieve traffic congestion’ and ‘reduce greenhouse gases’. This is exactly the kind of claim that the Victorian Auditor General has criticised.”

Somewhat predictably the Greens would like more public transport instead.

What’s Your opinion?


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27 Responses to
Greens want induced traffic to be scrutinised
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The Frots 10:28 am
07 Jun 11
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Seriously, f*%k the Greens.

They are the greatest contirbutors to urban terrorism that I have ever seen. Perhaps we could plant trees on everyroad, after pulling up the GDE of course (that is, if ever its finished!).

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Jim Jones 10:51 am
07 Jun 11
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The Frots said :

Seriously, f*%k the Greens.

They are the greatest contirbutors to urban terrorism that I have ever seen. Perhaps we could plant trees on everyroad, after pulling up the GDE of course (that is, if ever its finished!).

What does ‘urban terrorism’ even mean? (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

Given that they are citing a report from the Victorian Auditor General – do you have any response to the report (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

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canberralocal 10:55 am
07 Jun 11
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I’d like the induced lunacy caused by having Greens in the Legislative Assembly to be scrutinised by ACT voters at the next election.

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Chop71 10:55 am
07 Jun 11
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The greens made me get rid of my horse (and cart) cos the horse made too much methane.

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The Frots 11:15 am
07 Jun 11
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Jim Jones said :

The Frots said :

Seriously, f*%k the Greens.

They are the greatest contirbutors to urban terrorism that I have ever seen. Perhaps we could plant trees on everyroad, after pulling up the GDE of course (that is, if ever its finished!).

What does ‘urban terrorism’ even mean? (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

Given that they are citing a report from the Victorian Auditor General – do you have any response to the report (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

Well Jim, you seem to be fairly hot at trying to either bait people – or just so some pig ignorance to the fact that they can have an opinion which doesn’t fit with yours. Either way, dear madam, I don’t give a damn.

The term ‘urban terrorism’ has been around, and well used for many years. My suggestion to you is Google it – I’m guessing that you’ll be much better informed but none the wiser when you do.

The citation of the report is clear – and the Grrens have ‘value added’ their own issues to it as well. If your asking whether I have read the whole report – well, damn, no! I could ask if you have – but then I’d ask myself why? Either way I don’t really care that much.

So, Jimbo, what else have you got…………………………………………………?

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zippyzippy 11:22 am
07 Jun 11
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Wow, that’s some high quality debate going on in this forum. Anyone read what this media release or the Auditor General’s report actually said?

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Postalgeek 11:23 am
07 Jun 11
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hehe I’m going to vote Green again next election. Why troll on the internet when you can troll at the voting booth?

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futto 11:30 am
07 Jun 11
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It would be interesting to watch a Green debate themselves about urban infill vs green space. Really, infill is the only way to get people to drive less is because everything is close. It would also make public transport more attractive (such as i found while in the Melbourne CBD, for example).

When are the Greens going to submit a credible, costed and effective solution to anything that affects our day to day lives? They run this minority government, and yet have no accountability. They basically say in this press release that the government (meaning themselves) is doing it wrong but offer no solution that can be realistically implemented. The “have the cake and eat it” syndrome.

Or as Fronts said…F*%k the Greens….

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FD10 12:02 pm
07 Jun 11
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Postalgeek said :

hehe I’m going to vote Green again next election. Why troll on the internet when you can troll at the voting booth?

Because trolls want attention, and voting is anonymous.

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housebound 12:13 pm
07 Jun 11
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The Greens are right about making governments do a proper traffic analysis before building roads, but they also miss the minor detail that, unlike them, NOT EVERYONE LIVES IN THE INNER PARTS OF CANBERRA.

(Sorry for the caps, but I get annoyed at these inner city trendies who want to tell the rest of us how to eat, live, travel, farm and otherwise live while they enjoy the benefits of living in well-serviced suburbs built in wealthier times.)

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Mysteryman 12:31 pm
07 Jun 11
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The Frots said :

Seriously, f*%k the Greens.

They are the greatest contirbutors to urban terrorism that I have ever seen. Perhaps we could plant trees on everyroad, after pulling up the GDE of course (that is, if ever its finished!).

I wouldn’t have said it in those words but I share a similar sentiment.

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Jim Jones 12:32 pm
07 Jun 11
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zippyzippy said :

Wow, that’s some high quality debate going on in this forum. Anyone read what this media release or the Auditor General’s report actually said?

No. Nobody’s read the release or the report.

The good people here don’t need pesky ‘reports’, ‘evidence’ or ‘informed opinion’ to sully their knee-jerk reactionary hissy-fits.

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Jim Jones 12:34 pm
07 Jun 11
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The Frots said :

If your asking whether I have read the whole report – well, damn, no!

Arguing from a foundation of ignorance. Awesome!

Why should anyone take anything you say seriously given that you demonstrate actual hostility to learning the facts?

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Jim Jones 12:39 pm
07 Jun 11
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The Frots said :

Jim Jones said :

The Frots said :

Seriously, f*%k the Greens.

They are the greatest contirbutors to urban terrorism that I have ever seen. Perhaps we could plant trees on everyroad, after pulling up the GDE of course (that is, if ever its finished!).

What does ‘urban terrorism’ even mean? (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

Given that they are citing a report from the Victorian Auditor General – do you have any response to the report (apart from ‘rah rah rah me hate greens rah rah rah’).

Well Jim, you seem to be fairly hot at trying to either bait people – or just so some pig ignorance to the fact that they can have an opinion which doesn’t fit with yours. Either way, dear madam, I don’t give a damn.

The term ‘urban terrorism’ has been around, and well used for many years. My suggestion to you is Google it – I’m guessing that you’ll be much better informed but none the wiser when you do.

The citation of the report is clear – and the Grrens have ‘value added’ their own issues to it as well. If your asking whether I have read the whole report – well, damn, no! I could ask if you have – but then I’d ask myself why? Either way I don’t really care that much.

So, Jimbo, what else have you got…………………………………………………?

“Urban Terrorism, is the targeted use of terrorism in urban populations in order to cause the most harm, injury, death, or property damage. Since urban areas have significantly higher population densities than rural areas, targeting those areas can maximize the effect of the terrorist attack.”

What, precisely, does this have to do with the Greens? Are they secretly all evil terrorists?

Again, why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you resort to this ridiculous level of uninformed hyperbole?

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The Frots 12:45 pm
07 Jun 11
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Jim Jones said :

The Frots said :

If your asking whether I have read the whole report – well, damn, no!

Arguing from a foundation of ignorance. Awesome!

Why should anyone take anything you say seriously given that you demonstrate actual hostility to learning the facts?

Oh dear, Jimbo – the old ‘foundation of ignorance’. I recall you using that not long ago on another thread. Anyway…………

Make no mistake, I certainly do have a degree of ignorance when it comes to the totality of Greens policy, etc. But there are others who don’t – and they also have an opinion – just like you!

As for the ‘hostility to learning’ statement – well, let’s say that I probably have more university time than you do. Only a guess – but a safe one I suspect. Learning has been one of my constant companions over many, many years. But I do like to call it as I see it – and sometimes plain language makes it all the more clear.

So, Jimbo……………………………..what else?

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