Trolley fines start Wednesday

Felix the Cat said :

Another excuse for the supermarkets to overcharge us.

Ahh see this is the trick, you see in the interest of competition all supermarkets except Coles and Wollies are exempt. So yes will see prices in these two establishments rise, thus making it relatively cheaper to shop at the (so called local) supermarkets who contribute a bit of dosh to the local Labor party.

JustThinking said :

Why on earth strap them in the car out of the sun or out of the way of dodgey drivers …

Ah, another of those “please steal my car and kidnap my children” types?

We should also fine car manufacturers if one of their models is stolen and used for ram-raiding, as well as knife manufacturers whenever one of their knives is used in a crime.

Shopping trolleys should have the plastic removed from the metal handles, a marked perimeter, and a high voltage shock pass through the handle when it leaves that perimeter.

Does anyone really think that the shifty, blow-in bogans who use the trolleys to take their slabs of Bundy & Coke back to their single-mother girlfriend’s place (which was allocated to her on subsidised rent because she has two kids by two different blokes, neither of which is the current one) will give a rat’s arse about these laws? There’ll be no enforcement.

Blackice – I’m with ya. What kind of utopia does screaming banshee live in?
1. Finding a spot near trolley bays. Well, try finding a spot – period – on a busy day at Belco Mall.
2. Finding some ground where the trolley doesn’t roll across the road [great design having inclining ground in a shopping center carpark and no handbrake to stop the trolley].
3. Yeah, make the shopping trip more fun by taking your kids to the trolley bay and then having to cart them all the way back after you’ve just lifted up to 50kg of groceries into the boot. Like anyone needs all that extra exercise!
4. “Screaming banshee” – how does a 3 year old unpack groceries from the trolley. Must have big genes in your family. The only things they help to move that can’t be damaged by dropping is packets of chips, cereal and maybe toilet paper. But hey, you can throw that in the boot yourself without looking out for distracted children who drop said toilet paper that just ruptured from the flimsy packaging, and now dash down across the steeply inclining roadway whilst another irritated shopper reverses out from behind you unaware of the 2 foot high, who does not wear a reflective vest legislated as mandatory for the staff that pick up the trolley you could have left for them to return. How can you supervise this activity without fear of peril to the youngsters?
Ding! It just occurred to me. More fines, less wages…..it’s win win for shopping centers and the government.

Spykler said :

‘Takes reasonable steps to ensure a trolley is not removed’- such as?

I’d suggest the use of a system whereby you deposit a coin to retrieve a trolley is what they had in mind.

I just don’t get this nanny state argument, would you prefer people could do whatever speed they felt like all the time with no repercussions, that people should be free to litter and leave trolleys wherever they feel like. Face it, laws are written for the lowest common denominator, if the community as a whole didn’t speed/litter/dump trolleys then we wouldn’t need these laws.

Its not a nanny state, its a nanny community always expecting someone else to wipe your arse.

JustThinking said :

Yeah, after all if you only shop once a week the extra 15minutes in the sun and heat won’t bother the kids at all.

So what you’re saying is they should either spend 15 minutes in the heat of a car that has just prior been roasting in the sun, or that you sit them in their with the aircon running sucking down the fumes that are pouring out the exhaust and straight in through the back??…wont somebody think of the children!!

As for the danger issue, have you thought of pushing the trolley down between the cars, or heaven forbid reversing into the spot so you can load between the cars. The next logical ‘grasping at straws to blame someone else for my laziness’ argument will be that the other cars are parked to close.

I presume by the comments here that people only seem to do their grocery shopping at Westfield on a Saturday morning during the heat of summer. I’m also curious to know how Blackice manages to load a kid into the car while stopping the trolley rolling away but stopping the trolley from rolling away while standing at the trolley is infinitely more difficult. And how does it take anyone 15 minutes to unload a trolley, even if that includes walking it back?

KaptnKaos,

The laws are about making those responsible for the blight of dumped trolleys financially accountable for their actions, because up until know clearly ethics, morals and common sense have proven insufficient. And I’m not sure you’d be happy either if the govt only ever tackled one issue at a time until that was 100% solved and then moved on, nothing would ever get done so stop your whinging.

screaming banshee said :

BlackIce said :

verbal diarrhea

Ok, for a start my kids are 1 & 3 and its rather simple to sit the 1 year old in the trolley while the 3 year old helps unload….make it a game and involve the kid rather than shoving them in a restraint at every possible opportunity. Give them a fun trolley ride back, and if the 1 year old isn’t walking yet then carry or give them a piggyback ride while the 3 year old holds your hand.

If you’ve got discipline issues with your kids that doesn’t mean society should have to put up with your left-behind trolleys.

Make it even easier for yourself, park near a trolley bay.

Yes, in an ideal situationI try to park near the trolley bays or in the parents with prams parking (when I go to shops that have such a thing). But often 3/4 of the parents with prams parking is taken by people without carseats in their cars, and the parking lots are so full you park where you can.

Sitting them in the sun, in the trolley, while I’m trying to unpack the groceries and stop the trolley rolling away down the slope and at the same time as keeping an eye out for lunatic drivers isn’t all that fun a game for any of us.

And my three year old is reasonably well behaved when out, but I’m also aware that even the best behaved young child can do something unexpected, so spending extra time walking in busy carparks with no pedestrian routes between the aisles is something I try to avoid.

Security cameras at the tip, shopping trolley police… where will it end? Cameras in your kitchen and big brother telling what to eat and how much? This is worse than a nanny state….I bet this latest bit of oppression was inspired by the Greens.

Deckard said :

Nanny State!!

NOOOOO,
With a need for child suicide lines and all the issues with mental health,,,,let alone health,,,,or aged care,,,,war pensions, disability etc…I THINK THIS TROLLEY ISSUE should be taken seriously…..
Return your trolleys ppl…..
It wuill surely save,,,,,ummm,,,,Coles and Woollies making another 40 billion dollars each year,,,,,

Failure to keep a shopping trolley within your shopping centre precinct. (Note: this offence does not apply if the retailer operates and maintains a trolley containment system at its premises or takes reasonable steps to ensure that a trolley is not removed from a shopping centre precinct.) – 60 penalty units

‘Takes reasonable steps to ensure a trolley is not removed’- such as?

Nanny State!!

screaming banshee said :

BlackIce said :

verbal diarrhea

Ok, for a start my kids are 1 & 3 and its rather simple to sit the 1 year old in the trolley while the 3 year old helps unload….make it a game and involve the kid rather than shoving them in a restraint at every possible opportunity. Give them a fun trolley ride back, and if the 1 year old isn’t walking yet then carry or give them a piggyback ride while the 3 year old holds your hand.

If you’ve got discipline issues with your kids that doesn’t mean society should have to put up with your left-behind trolleys.

Make it even easier for yourself, park near a trolley bay.

Yeah, after all if you only shop once a week the extra 15minutes in the sun and heat won’t bother the kids at all.
Why on earth strap them in the car out of the sun or out of the way of dodgey drivers trying to pass each other beside you. No child in a trolley or near a parked car has EVER been hit in a carpark before!!
While you are at it, make sure they don’t have sunscreen or a hat on, because those guys who push the trolleys back to the shop are going to need a new job, so maybe a few can become Dr’s.

BlackIce said :

verbal diarrhea

Ok, for a start my kids are 1 & 3 and its rather simple to sit the 1 year old in the trolley while the 3 year old helps unload….make it a game and involve the kid rather than shoving them in a restraint at every possible opportunity. Give them a fun trolley ride back, and if the 1 year old isn’t walking yet then carry or give them a piggyback ride while the 3 year old holds your hand.

If you’ve got discipline issues with your kids that doesn’t mean society should have to put up with your left-behind trolleys.

Make it even easier for yourself, park near a trolley bay.

georgesgenitals said :

I remember many years ago as a 17 year old easing my car up to a trolley in the local supermarket carpark, then slowly gathering speed until approaching a traffic island, then slamming on the brakes while the trolley continued forward at about 60km/h.

On striking the traffic island at that speed, the trolley managed a triple half pike somersault.

I scored it 8.5 out of 10.

if you’d managed a twist as well, mebbe a 9.4?

and if the owners have failed to display notice, does that abbrogate someone taking it out of the precinct? and who will be responsibile for delineating ‘the shopping centre precinct’?

Another excuse for the supermarkets to overcharge us.

I remember many years ago as a 17 year old easing my car up to a trolley in the local supermarket carpark, then slowly gathering speed until approaching a traffic island, then slamming on the brakes while the trolley continued forward at about 60km/h.

On striking the traffic island at that speed, the trolley managed a triple half pike somersault.

I scored it 8.5 out of 10.

FFS chiefly what’s next???

Shopping trolley abuse is soooo much more important than dovoting time and money to the bus system, the health system or the education system in the ACT, good to see you have your priorities in order cheifly.

I would like to be a member of the trolley po-po.

Where do I sign?

I look forward to souping up my trolley for low speed pursuits, grease all the bearings, run larger diameter wheels, cut half the cage out for weight saving and above all, practicing the pit manouever to get these renegade trolleys off our streets!

Perhaps the uni students, who should have a basic understanding of maths by the time they reach uni, could work out that if there is a group around the trolley and a equal or lesser number of bags in the trolley that they could carry the bags. Or if they are up to more complicated maths could realise that they have 2 hands and could carry 2 bags. Perhaps if there were a penalty for uni students taking the trolley that would mean less beer money, so less drinking, more time for study and an increase in maths ability. Problem solved!

screaming banshee said :

– Failure to comply with a direction to return a shopping trolley. (Note: there are exemptions where complying with the direction to return a shopping trolley to a shopping precinct would be harsh or unreasonable, for example where a parent would have to leave young children alone in a car. – 10 penalty units

Presumably said parent would have arrived at shopping centre with children, obtained trolley with children, shopped with children and walked trolley to car with children.

Are we expected to believe they might suddenly be stricken with some sort of disability that they are unable to return empty trolley with children in tow also?

I often grab a trolley from right next to where I park. If they’re not nearby then it’s a real struggle to carry a one year old & shopping bags while also trying to keep hold of a three year old in a carpark until we can get to a trolley.

So on returning to the car with a trolley full of groceries, first I would have to secure both children in their carseats, then unpack the trolley, then get both kids out again put them in the trolley to return it, then struggle back across the carpark with the kids and strap them back in their seats again.

So no, not a disability, but a whole lot of to and fro-ing through carparks that usually have no pedestrian walkways with two little kids in tow.

screaming banshee said :

– Failure to comply with a direction to return a shopping trolley. (Note: there are exemptions where complying with the direction to return a shopping trolley to a shopping precinct would be harsh or unreasonable, for example where a parent would have to leave young children alone in a car. – 10 penalty units

Presumably said parent would have arrived at shopping centre with children, obtained trolley with children, shopped with children and walked trolley to car with children.

Are we expected to believe they might suddenly be stricken with some sort of disability that they are unable to return empty trolley with children in tow also?

You might notice that in the picture the frail and disabled appear to have been leaving trolleys next to the taxi rank after their shop.

So how do all those Uni students without cars get their groceries back from Supabarn?

Hmmm (shifty mind clicks into gear), so there might be a market for re-birthed trolley’s?

But seriously, how will they enforce it? A grey jacketed gestapo based on Sydney’s transit guards (wont call the police)?

– Failure to comply with a direction to return a shopping trolley. (Note: there are exemptions where complying with the direction to return a shopping trolley to a shopping precinct would be harsh or unreasonable, for example where a parent would have to leave young children alone in a car. – 10 penalty units

Presumably said parent would have arrived at shopping centre with children, obtained trolley with children, shopped with children and walked trolley to car with children.

Are we expected to believe they might suddenly be stricken with some sort of disability that they are unable to return empty trolley with children in tow also?

Awesome.
Will the Trolley Police get around in a trolley pushed by a drunken mate, flashing lights and all?