I do not like caged eggs and ham

Darkfalz said :

Common Australian products are now Halal certified, like Vegemite, Bega Cheese and Cadbury chocolate. There is no non-Halal versions available. Now, are we forced to buy them? No, but we are forced to buy Halal if we want these products which, up until recently, were not Halal.

Vegemite has always been halal and you have never been able to buy a non-halal version.

IrishPete said :

switch said :

Masquara said :

“Why hasn’t the Greens minister banned whaling in the Territory?”

Hey, that’s a good idea!

Might need to to protect the Skywhale from Marauding Icelandic, Norwegian and Japanese ships.

But seriously folks – there was a factory egg farm until quite recently, and banning cage egg production ensures that neither it, nor any other company re-opens one. Sow stalls are also possible in the ACT, even if none exist at the moment. Whales are a little unlikely, apart from the flying kind.

I bet there are a million other things that are banned in the ACT that you’ve never seen here. Perhaps that’s why you’ve never seen them here. And perhaps not. We will never know.

IP

Yep, common sense Pete, yet it’s easier for morons to blindly attack the greens for no other reason than the, being the greens.

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lol how is halal being forced on us.

Also, you ignorant xenophobic fools should maybe do some research on halal in Australia before making dumb comments.

Common Australian products are now Halal certified, like Vegemite, Bega Cheese and Cadbury chocolate. There is no non-Halal versions available. Now, are we forced to buy them? No, but we are forced to buy Halal if we want these products which, up until recently, were not Halal.

So a stamp on your vegemite affects you, how exactly?

Darkfalz said :

housebound said :

We try to avoid the ‘cruelest’ meats, and Halal is always off the menu for that reason. Coles is now off the shopping list for meat; Woolies probably won’t be too far behind. Any views on where we can buy non-halal meat?

Does it concern you that “non-Halal” is fast becoming the hard to find “speciality” meat in this country?

I’m pretty sure that it is not quite yet the case, but we’ll ask the butchers next time.

Masquara said :

ABC Radio had a mock-fest about Shane Rattenbury this morning – re banning cage hens when there is not one industrial cage hen in the territory, and sow stalls when the nearest sow stall is in the environs of Young.

Having done a deal with the previous cage farm to switch, I guess they don’t want new cages to move in.

housebound said :

We try to avoid the ‘cruelest’ meats, and Halal is always off the menu for that reason. Coles is now off the shopping list for meat; Woolies probably won’t be too far behind. Any views on where we can buy non-halal meat?

Does it concern you that “non-Halal” is fast becoming the hard to find “speciality” meat in this country?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Lol how is halal being forced on us.

Also, you ignorant xenophobic fools should maybe do some research on halal in Australia before making dumb comments.

Common Australian products are now Halal certified, like Vegemite, Bega Cheese and Cadbury chocolate. There is no non-Halal versions available. Now, are we forced to buy them? No, but we are forced to buy Halal if we want these products which, up until recently, were not Halal.

breda said :

@ deref:

“So because the government can’t or won’t do exactly what you want it to, they shouldn’t do anything at all, even if it does some good? What a pleasant philosophy.”
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Huh? My point was that the ACT government spends much of its time on symbolic gestures that in no way touch on the real issues that affect ordinary Canberrans. I did not suggest what they should or shouldn’t do.

However, since you ask, fixing up hospital services and the increasing decrepitude of public areas like parks, malls, roads and verges would be a good start.

But, soooo boring. No national headlines to be grabbed there.

I’m with deref on this one. Not sure that a problem with hospitals is wholly and solely the result of deciding to make a law about battery hens or sow stalls. So unless you can show there is some connection there, it does just sound like just another right-whinger rant. By all means lobby for better hospitals/schools/whatever, but it doesn’t have to be done by attacking other people’s right to have/express a view about something totally unrelated.

Then:

Masquara said :

ABC Radio had a mock-fest about Shane Rattenbury this morning – re banning cage hens when there is not one industrial cage hen in the territory, and sow stalls when the nearest sow stall is in the environs of Young.

“Why hasn’t the Greens minister banned whaling in the Territory?”

Others have made the point that the laws would presumably also work to stop such practices starting up here – not a bad idea, I’d have thought, given that there is a local producer that has made the effort to get rid of battery hens, and could be undercut by someone coming in. And yes, I know that doesn’t stop things in nearby bits of NSW, but ACT can only do what it can do.

I’m assuming the (apparently quoted) bit about banning whaling is someone’s attempt at ridicule, on the basis we’re all up here in our landlocked mountain hideaway. But it kinda fails because the ACT includes bits of Jervis Bay – where, golly gosh, there are whales (well, sometimes) and a history of whaling. All good, though, because the Feds had already thunked of it apparently (http://www.ladydenman.asn.au/whaling.html).

Silly, I know – but really, if the bar is gonna be set that low ………

switch said :

Masquara said :

“Why hasn’t the Greens minister banned whaling in the Territory?”

Hey, that’s a good idea!

Might need to to protect the Skywhale from Marauding Icelandic, Norwegian and Japanese ships.

But seriously folks – there was a factory egg farm until quite recently, and banning cage egg production ensures that neither it, nor any other company re-opens one. Sow stalls are also possible in the ACT, even if none exist at the moment. Whales are a little unlikely, apart from the flying kind.

I bet there are a million other things that are banned in the ACT that you’ve never seen here. Perhaps that’s why you’ve never seen them here. And perhaps not. We will never know.

IP

Lol how is halal being forced on us.

Also, you ignorant xenophobic fools should maybe do some research on halal in Australia before making dumb comments.

I am not allowed to have pigs in my backyard in Queanbeyan, probably good or I would walk them on a leash everywhere. But, I do have three chooks and they pop out eggs everyday…so many that I can’t eat them all. The unfortunate thing is they shit everywhere and eat my vegetable patch, so i tend to lock them up nowadays in a long chunk of mesh. I do feed them all our leftovers, put garlic in the water to prevent worms and also let them feast on all the carp I catch. Damn those eggs taste great.

Masquara said :

“Why hasn’t the Greens minister banned whaling in the Territory?”

Hey, that’s a good idea!

ABC Radio had a mock-fest about Shane Rattenbury this morning – re banning cage hens when there is not one industrial cage hen in the territory, and sow stalls when the nearest sow stall is in the environs of Young.

“Why hasn’t the Greens minister banned whaling in the Territory?”

@ deref:

“So because the government can’t or won’t do exactly what you want it to, they shouldn’t do anything at all, even if it does some good? What a pleasant philosophy.”
——————————————————————
Huh? My point was that the ACT government spends much of its time on symbolic gestures that in no way touch on the real issues that affect ordinary Canberrans. I did not suggest what they should or shouldn’t do.

However, since you ask, fixing up hospital services and the increasing decrepitude of public areas like parks, malls, roads and verges would be a good start.

But, soooo boring. No national headlines to be grabbed there.

Darkfalz said :

Postalgeek said :

For the sake of consistency, any condemnation of unstunned halal slaughter practices should also include condemnation of unstunned kosher slaughter practices.

Kosher slaughter is just as barbaric as Halal, but it’s never been forced upon us the way Halal is being now. From a pure animal welfare issue it’s bad enough, but then there’s the questionable matter of where the Halal certification funds we’re all paying for via purchase of these products are ending up and if that is in the country’s best interest (I believe it is not).

We try to avoid the ‘cruelest’ meats, and Halal is always off the menu for that reason. Coles is now off the shopping list for meat; Woolies probably won’t be too far behind. Any views on where we can buy non-halal meat?

breda said :

Gesture politics. Same sex marriage as a top priority is in the same category.

The ACT government is living in a cloudland of symbolic gestures – it’s so much easier than dealing with those messy, real problems on the ground.

So because the government can’t or won’t do exactly what you want it to, they shouldn’t do anything at all, even if it does some good? What a pleasant philosophy.

Postalgeek said :

For the sake of consistency, any condemnation of unstunned halal slaughter practices should also include condemnation of unstunned kosher slaughter practices.

Kosher slaughter is just as barbaric as Halal, but it’s never been forced upon us the way Halal is being now. From a pure animal welfare issue it’s bad enough, but then there’s the questionable matter of where the Halal certification funds we’re all paying for via purchase of these products are ending up and if that is in the country’s best interest (I believe it is not).

Just don’t eat meat! I am fairly simple on this issue. Any system of slaughter involves suffering.

However, horrible living conditions are certainly worth addressing, given that most people will insist on eating eggs and meat.

Sybarites!

As far as I’m aware the Australian meat standard requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, including halal. This is what differs Australian halal from halal in many other countries. As I understand it, they use a reversible form of electrical stun for halal, rather than the irreversible bolt, so there’s no risk of the stunned animal being ‘dead’ before slaughter.

For the sake of consistency, any condemnation of unstunned halal slaughter practices should also include condemnation of unstunned kosher slaughter practices.

EvanJames said :

I think as non-cage eggs become more popular, economies of scale see the price reduce, it’s already happening. Coles own brand now is no cage eggs, and their own brand pig products are sow-stall free. I too would like to see them ban cage eggs totally, ditto sow-stall-raised pork. But each step takes us closer. This is why I buy these things from Coles, rather than Costco.

Halal is an abomination and the exceptions to laws that allow it to happen are gob-smacking. Why aren’t africans allowed to circumsize their female children in the name of religion, if we allow Muslims to commit cruelty in animal slaughter in the name of religion?

Coles meat is now Halal I’ve heard.

I’m sure they can study stress hormone levels and so on, but I just don’t know how complex chickens brains are. Part of what allows humans to experience misery is that they know what not being in misery is like. They have contrast.

If a chicken is stuffed in a cage and eats from a conveyor belt food that to the chicken tastes good, as horrible as the picture looks to us, part of me wonders if the chicken knows what a plight it is in. It doesn’t need to compete with other chickens or fight for food. It’s not like it remembers the good times when it was roaming an open pasture.

I’ll always buy free range eggs but I suspect their lives aren’t actually all that much better. It’s still mass farming and I’m sure they still have their share of misery and stress whether they “know” it or not.

Aeek said :

if true, then plucking the chickens on hatching would produce even better eggs.

Don’t feed the troll.

voytek3 said :

This is a blow for decent tasting eggs everywhere. Chickens kept in battery cages (the more inhumane the better) produce better quality and better tasting eggs. Fact.

if true, then plucking the chickens on hatching would produce even better eggs.

This is a blow for decent tasting eggs everywhere. Chickens kept in battery cages (the more inhumane the better) produce better quality and better tasting eggs. Fact.

Darkfalz said :

Unless your a vegetarian I find some of this stuff a bit token. Mass animal farming is always cruel. But there are ways for it to be less cruel. I can afford to pay a bit extra for my eggs and bacon, but sadly, a lot of people just grab what’s cheapest and don’t think about the cost to the animal (an additional irony is that animal only exists because it’s been farmed for food). Even more shocking is the trend towards Halal slaughter for mainstream supermarkets, as this is amongst the most cruel methods of slaughter. I’d be interested to know if cage farming was outlawed, would the price of barn and free range eggs drop at all?

I think as non-cage eggs become more popular, economies of scale see the price reduce, it’s already happening. Coles own brand now is no cage eggs, and their own brand pig products are sow-stall free. I too would like to see them ban cage eggs totally, ditto sow-stall-raised pork. But each step takes us closer. This is why I buy these things from Coles, rather than Costco.

Halal is an abomination and the exceptions to laws that allow it to happen are gob-smacking. Why aren’t africans allowed to circumsize their female children in the name of religion, if we allow Muslims to commit cruelty in animal slaughter in the name of religion?

Chop71 said :

Pitchka said :

Just wondering how the chicken in the photo that seems to have made a getaway, manages to sleep with all that noise..

It’s ‘dead’ easy

Ear muffs?

Pitchka said :

Just wondering how the chicken in the photo that seems to have made a getaway, manages to sleep with all that noise..

It’s ‘dead’ easy

Just wondering how the chicken in the photo that seems to have made a getaway, manages to sleep with all that noise..

Darkfalz said :

Even more shocking is the trend towards Halal slaughter for mainstream supermarkets, as this is amongst the most cruel methods of slaughter.

In this case the weirdo is correct. Halal is so cruel that it’s generally forbidden for many Hindus and specifically forbidden for Sikhs, should they choose to eat animals.

I’d love to see the “explanation” signs like they have over the eggs at coles:

“This meat is HALAL meat. The animal faced Mecca and a Muslim said ‘bismillah’ and ‘allahu akhbar’ before cutting the animal’s throat, causing it to die slowly while the blood drained.”

“This meat is JHATKA meat. The animal was killed with a single blow and no prayers were said.”

“This meat is BOLT STUNNED meat. The animal was hung up, bashed in the head and then had its throat cut. This is considered the least cruel method of slaughter.”

Anyway hurray for whatever kindness we can all agree on. They can’t ban the sale of battery eggs in ACT because of a Cth law forbidding restriction of trade between states but we can agree not to start doing it here too.

Useless and cynical and well Shane Rattenbury knows it. If they were serious, they would ban the SALE of cage eggs.

Unless your a vegetarian I find some of this stuff a bit token. Mass animal farming is always cruel. But there are ways for it to be less cruel. I can afford to pay a bit extra for my eggs and bacon, but sadly, a lot of people just grab what’s cheapest and don’t think about the cost to the animal (an additional irony is that animal only exists because it’s been farmed for food). Even more shocking is the trend towards Halal slaughter for mainstream supermarkets, as this is amongst the most cruel methods of slaughter. I’d be interested to know if cage farming was outlawed, would the price of barn and free range eggs drop at all?

Watson said :

I do not like them, Sime I Am.

Well, if we have neither of those now, that bill will hopefully pass without any opposition and everyone will be happy and there will be unicorns and rainbows and happy people eating copious amounts of bacon and eggs everywhere.

Provided they are all sourced from free-range unicorn farms.

Another solution in search of a problem, brought to you by the local council.

‘Mean eggs and ham’ might have been better.

Everyone’s a critic.

I do not like them, Sime I Am.

Well, if we have neither of those now, that bill will hopefully pass without any opposition and everyone will be happy and there will be unicorns and rainbows and happy people eating copious amounts of bacon and eggs everywhere.

I like the Dr Seuss-inspired headline. Nice one.

I hate chickens – evil little bastards.
I buy cage eggs on purpose so at least I know that 12 have suffered to give me my googly eggs.
I saw chickens attack a poor galah that landed in their enclosure, and one ate a live mouse in one gulp – V style…

f*ck chickens.

Gesture politics. Same sex marriage as a top priority is in the same category.

The ACT government is living in a cloudland of symbolic gestures – it’s so much easier than dealing with those messy, real problems on the ground.

neanderthalsis said :

Considering that the ACT has neither battery farms for chickens or any pig farms, this legislation seems rather superfluous.

Not if it sets a precedent, raises the profile of the topic, and prevents the opening of new factory farms.

Considering that the ACT has neither battery farms for chickens or any pig farms, this legislation seems rather superfluous.