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I do not like caged eggs and ham

By Barcham 19 September 2013 48

Caged hens

Pigs and hens rejoice, more appropriate accommodation all around!

Today Shane Rattenbury presented a bill to prohibit the use of battery cages and sow stalls in the ACT.

In the future we will be able to enjoy our ACT made breakfasts completely guilt free, assuming the only thing you felt guilty about what the inability of the pigs and hens to turn around 360 degrees.

Minister for Territory and Municipal Services, Shane Rattenbury, today presented a bill to prohibit the use of battery cages for commercial egg production and the use of sow stalls and farrowing crates to keep pigs in the ACT.

“The ACT will be the first jurisdiction in Australia to legislate against factory farming, in a move that has been championed by the ACT Greens since 1997,” said Mr Rattenbury.
“This Parliamentary Agreement item will be the fifth bill by the ACT Greens in relation to factory farming and I am proud that this has come to fruition at long last.

“With the passage of the Animal Welfare (Factory Farming) Amendment Bill, hens can no longer be kept in inhumane battery cages which prevent them from stretching, perching, laying eggs in a nest and exhibiting other natural behaviour,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“The Bill will also prohibit the debeaking of hens, a common practice in the factory farming industry where the hen’s beak is removed with a hot blade or laser. Not only is this process painful and inhumane, but it can also lead to other health complications which make it painful for the bird to eat.

“The Bill also prevents sows from being kept in stalls or farrowing crates where they cannot stand up, turn around and simply do not have the space they need to engage in natural pig behaviour. While we do not currently have any sow stalls in the ACT, this legislation will not only prevent their introduction but set a precedent for other states to introduce similar legislation.

“Not only is factory farming cruel, but intensive confinement of animals also fails to meet the public’s expectations for humanely-produced egg and pork products.

“This bill introduces a maximum penalty for a prosecution for battery cage farming and keeping a pig in less than appropriate accommodation is 50 penalty units (currently $7,000 for an individual or $35,000 for a corporation).”

[Image courtesy of Mercy For Animals (CC BY 2.0)]

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housebound 8:23 am 23 Sep 13

And back to the point of the main article. Good on the ACT Government for banning caged eggs. Chickens should also be allowed to do their chicken frolicking in their paddocks, presumably fenced to protect them from foxes and wild dogs, in their short little lives.

housebound 8:21 am 23 Sep 13

BimboGeek said :

Few things to bear in mind here.

“Halal” simply means “permitted.” Food is halal if it meets the rules, just as food is kosher or vegetarian if it meets those criteria.

Vegemite is vegetarian (not vegan though). It is halal (permitted) but contains no meat, halal or otherwise.

Halal is just a word. I can claim my zucchini are halal and if I’m satisfied they meet the rules I can even stamp them “BGH” without paying any terrorists. Usually one has a priest check the religious rules have been satisfied, presumably companies are free to choose a priest.

Actually vegetables and vegetarian food are halal as long as there’s no alcohol or fermentation. Fish are considered not-meat in halal as in kosher. Some Muslims carry around the vegetarian food additives guides at the supermarket or check for the vegan/vegetarian logo. They are allowed to eat meat but will choose vegies in a restaurant, knowing it’s a “safe” option.

So quit your paranoid ranting, those of you who have been doing it…

This all prompted me to do some googling. Here’s what I can work out; happy to be corrected.

Halal seems to have a common meaning (permitted or lawful), so all fresh food would be halal, but Halal certification is a process that a manufacturer has to pay for. The application fee at one certifier was listed at $110, but there was another undisclosed fee for inspections etc. The money goes to Islamic certifiers, who then do whatever they want with the profits of their organisation – as is standard business practice all over the world. There is a concern that it might be a example of creeping dhimmitude – where non-Muslims are allowed to exist in a Muslim society provided they pay a tax. On the other hand, it is obviously seem by some businesses as good marketing to a small but increasing percentage of the market.

Meat seems to be a particular concern because not only is the slaughter cruel, it also seems it has to be done by a Muslim. This might account for the special meat workers visa (recently rolled into the 457). At the extreme, if all abattoirs became Halal certified, there would be no jobs for non-Muslim slaughterers, which would make for an interesting action under anti-discrimination laws (it would, at the least, be a good example of indirect discrimination).

Our view hasn’t changed. We like meat, but we prefer the least cruel slaughter possible. If I were in charge, I would have the beasts frolicking in the paddocks before being dropped, unsuspectingly, by a single shot to the head.

BimboGeek 9:29 pm 22 Sep 13

Few things to bear in mind here.

“Halal” simply means “permitted.” Food is halal if it meets the rules, just as food is kosher or vegetarian if it meets those criteria.

Vegemite is vegetarian (not vegan though). It is halal (permitted) but contains no meat, halal or otherwise.

Halal is just a word. I can claim my zucchini are halal and if I’m satisfied they meet the rules I can even stamp them “BGH” without paying any terrorists. Usually one has a priest check the religious rules have been satisfied, presumably companies are free to choose a priest.

Actually vegetables and vegetarian food are halal as long as there’s no alcohol or fermentation. Fish are considered not-meat in halal as in kosher. Some Muslims carry around the vegetarian food additives guides at the supermarket or check for the vegan/vegetarian logo. They are allowed to eat meat but will choose vegies in a restaurant, knowing it’s a “safe” option.

So quit your paranoid ranting, those of you who have been doing it…

Masquara 9:13 pm 22 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Hey everybody, did you know that Kraft and Cadbury directly support terrorism and if you buy these products you are also helping the terrorist cause?

KILL ALL INFEDELS!!!

I don’t buy Kraft or Cadbury products.

IrishPete 7:40 pm 22 Sep 13

breda said :

Gosh, is there a law banning fox-hunting on the books here? If not, they’d better hop to it. After all, it might happen one day.

What they really need is an omnibus Bill – the “Prohibition of Anything We (Especially The Greens) Disapprove Of” Act (2013). Then perhaps they could get back to the boring, tedious and difficult issues that actually matter, which they are currently doing their best to avoid drawing attention to with this flummery.

Why do you want to ban fox hunting?

An omnibus Bill is probably a really good idea. They can add things in, or remove them, as time goes by, without the need for a whole new Bill or Act each time. Maybe it could even be done by Re

Really, though, what you are saying comes across as dissatisfaction with the fact that you live in a jurisdiction where the ALP and Greens get a majority of the votes, and MLAs. Since this has been a long-standing situation, and didn’t even change late last year despite the huge dissatisfaction with the Federal ALP and in every other State, you perhaps should think about living somewhere else. it would probably be better for your mental health.

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:29 pm 22 Sep 13

Hey everybody, did you know that Kraft and Cadbury directly support terrorism and if you buy these products you are also helping the terrorist cause?

KILL ALL INFEDELS!!!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:27 pm 22 Sep 13

Darkfalz said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

So a stamp on your vegemite affects you, how exactly?

If they were giving out the stamp for free to Halal products, that’s one thing, but that’s now hot it works.

Do a little research, and you might find that the money Kraft pays to get that stamp (and we pay Kraft) goes to some unsavoury places.

I know exactly what you are implying and I know that you have no actual sources to prove it.

Darkfalz 5:32 pm 22 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

So a stamp on your vegemite affects you, how exactly?

If they were giving out the stamp for free to Halal products, that’s one thing, but that’s now hot it works.

Do a little research, and you might find that the money Kraft pays to get that stamp (and we pay Kraft) goes to some unsavoury places.

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