Police Wrap - 22 November

Special G said :

Solidarity said :

Don’t understand the mentality here, the fact is that many people drive unregistered cars, because it’s a neccesity. I’m not talking about people who spend $500 on booze and then proceed to go “fuck it” and continue to drive, i’m talking about people who simply can’t afford it, people who use the car, unregistered to do things like take kids to school, get to the shops to buy food, things like that. These people pose no threat, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do, and sometimes welfare of your offspring or personal health is greater than the risk of being caught.

Are these the same people who will steal petrol, groceries, anything else nailed down whilst putting up Woodstock shrines to their mates.

Simple can’t pay rego – don’t drive your car.

Some of them yes, some of them no.

However, many cars are used unregistered as a necessity.

Can’t pay rego don’t drive your car is easy enough to say, but have you actually tried to live without a car?

And before jumping to conclusions, mine are all registered and always have been.

Spideydog said :

So yeah, the same RAPID as before. Dvaey so cynical as usual. I am sure you wont complain if this technology stops a unregistered/unlicenced driver hitting your vehicle…..

How exactly will a computer ensure that a driver is suitable to drive a car? Other than making sure the taxes are up-to-date. At least this has advantages over most other traffic enforcement, that there is a real human involved in the process.

Ive only had 3 experiences with RAPID, the first 2, I got pulled over in my newly registered car (~7/10 days earlier). I was advised that my vehicle was detected as being unregistered for nearly 10 years. Once the police officer checked my rego papers (luckily I still had everything in the vehicle), he went back to his car, returning shortly to inform me that my vehicle was indeed okay, just the database his RAPID system was using, was out-of-date. He couldnt suggest how long it would take to be fixed, but in the mean-time I should carry all my registration papers and receipts. Good thing I did, as I got pulled over again for the same problem (unrego’d) a week later, and was given the same spiel.

The other experience was when a friend was driving his wifes car. Her licence was only a couple of days from running out, and he got pulled over while driving his car at the shops. While neither his licence nor the car rego were out-of-date, they issued him a warning to make sure his wife renewed her licence, otherwise he is likely to get picked up again if he continues driving her car.

Solidarity said :

Don’t understand the mentality here, the fact is that many people drive unregistered cars, because it’s a neccesity. I’m not talking about people who spend $500 on booze and then proceed to go “fuck it” and continue to drive, i’m talking about people who simply can’t afford it, people who use the car, unregistered to do things like take kids to school, get to the shops to buy food, things like that. These people pose no threat, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do, and sometimes welfare of your offspring or personal health is greater than the risk of being caught.

Are these the same people who will steal petrol, groceries, anything else nailed down whilst putting up Woodstock shrines to their mates.

Simple can’t pay rego – don’t drive your car.

Solidarity said :

Don’t understand the mentality here, the fact is that many people drive unregistered cars, because it’s a neccesity. I’m not talking about people who spend $500 on booze and then proceed to go “fuck it” and continue to drive, i’m talking about people who simply can’t afford it, people who use the car, unregistered to do things like take kids to school, get to the shops to buy food, things like that. These people pose no threat, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do, and sometimes welfare of your offspring or personal health is greater than the risk of being caught.

As for Arizona rego catering towards older cars, that makes perfect sense, even on an environmental level – If everyone drove old cars, there would be no need to make new ones. Manufacturing a new cars takes far more resources than what running an older one does, not to mention older cars generally having less intricate parts, less lastic and less weight, all good things when it comes to the environment.

A very small minority of people drive unregistered cars – 0.2% of those checked were found to be unregistered. Given that 33% of accidents involve eith unregistered or unlicenced drivers, I think they do pose a threat.

The fact is, if you can’t afford to register a car, you can’t afford to drive one.

Don’t understand the mentality here, the fact is that many people drive unregistered cars, because it’s a neccesity. I’m not talking about people who spend $500 on booze and then proceed to go “fuck it” and continue to drive, i’m talking about people who simply can’t afford it, people who use the car, unregistered to do things like take kids to school, get to the shops to buy food, things like that. These people pose no threat, sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do, and sometimes welfare of your offspring or personal health is greater than the risk of being caught.

As for Arizona rego catering towards older cars, that makes perfect sense, even on an environmental level – If everyone drove old cars, there would be no need to make new ones. Manufacturing a new cars takes far more resources than what running an older one does, not to mention older cars generally having less intricate parts, less lastic and less weight, all good things when it comes to the environment.

Jim Jones said :

CraigT said :

Thanks Spideydog for a point well-made: the ACT Gov. is gouging us on car rego, encouraging some to not pay it and thus creating a danger to us on our roads.

Maybe if the ACT Gov. spent less time posing with rubbish like their “Human Rights Office” and their dangerous “Human-rights-compliant prison”, and cut back on their army of 22,000 mostly unproductive employees, we wouldn’t have to pay exhorbitant rego, rates and stamp duty.

So many fallacies in such a short post. It’s like a black-hole that sucks logic into an infinitely dense ball of ignorant rage.

Steady on Jim, everyone knows that trendy issues like ‘human rights’, ‘equality’ and ’emancipation’ are ruining the world.

RAPID is a top idea. Good to see.

CraigT said :

Thanks Spideydog for a point well-made: the ACT Gov. is gouging us on car rego, encouraging some to not pay it and thus creating a danger to us on our roads.

Maybe if the ACT Gov. spent less time posing with rubbish like their “Human Rights Office” and their dangerous “Human-rights-compliant prison”, and cut back on their army of 22,000 mostly unproductive employees, we wouldn’t have to pay exhorbitant rego, rates and stamp duty.

So many fallacies in such a short post. It’s like a black-hole that sucks logic into an infinitely dense ball of ignorant rage.

CraigT said :

Thanks Spideydog for a point well-made: the ACT Gov. is gouging us on car rego, encouraging some to not pay it and thus creating a danger to us on our roads.

Maybe if the ACT Gov. spent less time posing with rubbish like their “Human Rights Office” and their dangerous “Human-rights-compliant prison”, and cut back on their army of 22,000 mostly unproductive employees, we wouldn’t have to pay exhorbitant rego, rates and stamp duty.

No, it was not a point well made because he had his facts were wrong. Don’t let that get in the way of your jihad though.

Thanks Spideydog for a point well-made: the ACT Gov. is gouging us on car rego, encouraging some to not pay it and thus creating a danger to us on our roads.

Maybe if the ACT Gov. spent less time posing with rubbish like their “Human Rights Office” and their dangerous “Human-rights-compliant prison”, and cut back on their army of 22,000 mostly unproductive employees, we wouldn’t have to pay exhorbitant rego, rates and stamp duty.

Pommy bastard said :

The only way any Harley could reach a speed where it was going faster than a Suzuki GSXR600, would be achieved by dropping it out of a plane.

The Harley broke the speed limit? Must have been in a school zone.

Lol, yeah, an old school zone, which bike will be running in 20 years time……….

Thank you to all those people who dobbed in drug dealers, good work AFP!

Spideydog said :

screaming banshee said :

Solidarity said :

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

Wow, sounds like a wonderful place, I know registration costs are my only criteria when choosing somewhere to live. So what are you waiting for…..off you f*ck

Taken directly from the Arizona Dept of Transportation:

“How much does it cost to title and register my vehicle?
It varies depending on the vehicle. There is a $4.00 title fee; an $8.00 registration fee; plus an air quality research fee of $1.50; and a vehicle license tax (VLT) assessed in place of a personal property tax charged by other states. There may also be a weight fee and commercial registration fee, if the vehicle is registered as commercial. The VLT is based on an assessed value of 60% of the manufacturer’s base retail price reduced by 16.25% for each year since the vehicle was first registered in Arizona (15% before 8/1/98). Then, as of the Dec 1, 2000 reduction, the rate is calculated as $2.80 (new vehicles)/$2.89 (used vehicles) for each $100 of the assessed value. For example, for a new vehicle that costs $25,000, the first year assessed value would be $15,000 and the VLT would be $420.00. The second year the assessed value would be $12,562.50 and the VLT would be $363.06.”

So not $25.00 and thats not including the mandatory insurance.

So rego gets cheaper the older a vehicle is? That’s and awesome. Not exactly an environmental measure is it?

Orana School in Weston was also the victim of the senseless weekend school carnage. apparently several bins and a classroom was set on fire, windows smashed etc….. i hope they catch the idiots doing this and soon. vandalism like this affects the whole school community

Rainman must have come with the Arizona system, what a nightmare…

screaming banshee said :

Solidarity said :

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

Wow, sounds like a wonderful place, I know registration costs are my only criteria when choosing somewhere to live. So what are you waiting for…..off you f*ck

Taken directly from the Arizona Dept of Transportation:

“How much does it cost to title and register my vehicle?
It varies depending on the vehicle. There is a $4.00 title fee; an $8.00 registration fee; plus an air quality research fee of $1.50; and a vehicle license tax (VLT) assessed in place of a personal property tax charged by other states. There may also be a weight fee and commercial registration fee, if the vehicle is registered as commercial. The VLT is based on an assessed value of 60% of the manufacturer’s base retail price reduced by 16.25% for each year since the vehicle was first registered in Arizona (15% before 8/1/98). Then, as of the Dec 1, 2000 reduction, the rate is calculated as $2.80 (new vehicles)/$2.89 (used vehicles) for each $100 of the assessed value. For example, for a new vehicle that costs $25,000, the first year assessed value would be $15,000 and the VLT would be $420.00. The second year the assessed value would be $12,562.50 and the VLT would be $363.06.”

So not $25.00 and thats not including the mandatory insurance.

Solidarity said :

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

Wow, sounds like a wonderful place, I know registration costs are my only criteria when choosing somewhere to live. So what are you waiting for…..off you f*ck

dvaey said :

As from a previous discussion on this issue, we’ve learnt that a vehicle carries insurance for 14 days after rego expires. So, of these 41 vehicles that were ‘unregistered’, 41 minus ‘a number’ of them were only expired by a few days, and other than being a bit late on their tax payment, they were no risk to anyone on the road, even if they had had an accident, everyone is still covered.

CTP insurance is totally different to conventional vehicle insurance, so you are completely wrong in your assertion that “everyone is covered and of no risk to anyone on the road” If you drive unregistered even if out of date by 1 minute, your insurance (not CTP) is null and void and can potentially leave yourself and others out of pocket by THOUSANDS.

If I can make sure my vehicle is registered, everyone else can too. Why should I as a tax payer, pay for other people driving unregistered.

dvaey said :

Do we have a new RAPID that seems to be able to identify drivers and check their licence status, and not just vehicles and their rego status? Or does RAPID just flag every car associated with an unlicenced driver, just on the chance that that person is driving?

Taken from ACT Policing website:

RAPID has also contributed to general crime reduction in the ACT with a number of stolen motor vehicles recovered as part of RAPID operations over the past 12 months. It has also identified some people with outstanding warrants for arrest.

“The RAPID system now operates from three specially designed vehicles and will also be used to identify vehicles owned by suspended or unlicensed drivers, and vehicles associated with persons wanted on warrant,” Mr Corbell said.”

“We know that about 33% of these fatalities involved either an unregistered car or an unlicensed driver. This is something we can address and this boost in capacity for RAPID will hopefully help reduce the amount of fatalities on our roads,” Superintendent Colbran said.”

So yeah, the same RAPID as before. Dvaey so cynical as usual. I am sure you wont complain if this technology stops a unregistered/unlicenced driver hitting your vehicle…..

Solidarity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

With people pissing me off and anger management classes so pricey, bodies will keep getting dumped in the cotter damn.

Idiot.

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

They also have a crap load more people/vehicles to help pay for infrastructure. The insurance is separate and not included in that cost (if true)

The implications of people driving unregistered/no CTP/unlicenced are immense particularly if involved in a collision. Insurance companies don’t care for the reasons people are unregistered/unlicenced – no liability will be accepted.

The only way any Harley could reach a speed where it was going faster than a Suzuki GSXR600, would be achieved by dropping it out of a plane.

The Harley broke the speed limit? Must have been in a school zone.

Of the 19500 vehicles scanned over the weekend, 41 were detected as unregistered and a number of these were also uninsured.

So, in other words 0.2% of the vehicles they checked were unregistered. As from a previous discussion on this issue, we’ve learnt that a vehicle carries insurance for 14 days after rego expires. So, of these 41 vehicles that were ‘unregistered’, 41 minus ‘a number’ of them were only expired by a few days, and other than being a bit late on their tax payment, they were no risk to anyone on the road, even if they had had an accident, everyone is still covered.

Two motorists were apprehended for outstanding warrants. Eight motorists were also caught driving while unlicensed.

Do we have a new RAPID that seems to be able to identify drivers and check their licence status, and not just vehicles and their rego status? Or does RAPID just flag every car associated with an unlicenced driver, just on the chance that that person is driving?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

With people pissing me off and anger management classes so pricey, bodies will keep getting dumped in the cotter damn.

Idiot.

Damn my spelling, if only I had the premium subscription package I could go back and correct that…

Lol

Solidarity said :

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

Kinda got to wonder what our rego pays for. Sure, part of it is insurance but that is itemised. If the tax-by-default part of the fee was removed it I would suggest you might be right about increased compliance.

On the other hand, some people are tools and still wouldn’t pay.

I wonder though, the massive increase in people “moving” to Canberra simply for rego purposes might offset the reduction in income. If we made having your medicare address in Canberra the one and only requirement to register a vehicle here, then we would benefit from increased federal funding that way too….

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

With people pissing me off and anger management classes so pricey, bodies will keep getting dumped in the cotter damn.

Idiot.

Rego in Arizona is $25 for 2 years,they don’t have these problems.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

With people pissing me off and anger management classes so pricey, bodies will keep getting dumped in the cotter damn.

Idiot.

Damn my spelling, if only I had the premium subscription package I could go back and correct that…

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

And then they will be fined. So long as the fine is twice the cost of rego, its a risk I personally wouldn’t run…

Solidarity said :

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

With people pissing me off and anger management classes so pricey, bodies will keep getting dumped in the cotter damn.

Idiot.

With rego being so expensive and the public transport system being so shit, people will continue to drive unregistered.

A Noisy Noise Annoys An Oyster said :

Is that Canberra College at Weston or Phillip?

Canberra college in weston doesn’t exist anymore… its now a place for teachers to learn.

A Noisy Noise Annoys An Oyster said :

Is that Canberra College at Weston or Phillip?

damage to schools in Stirling, Duffy and Waramanga
That would be Stirling

Is that Canberra College at Weston or Phillip?