15 October 2024

Probing the polls: respondents feel the need for speed (to overtake on highways)

| Oliver Jacques
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While it’s illegal to speed even when overtaking, many motorists seem to believe it’s acceptable to do so. Photo: Traffic and Highway Patrol Command, NSW Police Force, Facebook.

Two recent Region polls on road rules have garnered a record high number of responses – more than 5000 combined – with the vast majority showing a tolerance for speeding and a distaste for excessive policing.

Our survey on the NSW Government’s decision to trial average speed cameras for cars saw 81 per cent of respondents calling the controversial new measure ‘revenue raising’ and only 13 per cent describing it as ‘a good initiative to improve road safety’.

Average speed detection is achieved by installing cameras at two distant points on a highway, recording motorists at both spots. It hits you with a penalty notice if your average speed between the points exceeds the limit.

A pair of these cameras exists on Canberra’s Hindmarsh Drive, but opposition to trial them in NSW has been fierce.

Arguments include that the NSW Government should first invest in fixing potholes and making roads safer before introducing another means of slugging drivers.

NSW Nationals leader Dugald Saunders said the average speed camera trial was an example of the Labor government unfairly targeting regional residents and “picking” their pockets.

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In a radio interview, he argued drivers may sometimes need to speed to overtake other vehicles – for example, drive at 110km/h to get past a car doing 98km/h in a 100km/h zone.

This is illegal in NSW and the ACT – where there are no exceptions to abiding by speed limits.

But when the issue was put to readers in another Region poll, most of the almost 2500 respondents saw the law as difficult to follow in practice.

Sixteen per cent agreed with the proposition ‘you can never speed’ to overtake, while about two-thirds of respondents said it was understandable to go up to 20km/h over the limit to get past another vehicle on a highway.

By contrast, most of those commenting on these articles were critical of anyone who condoned any form of speeding.

“You’re not allowed to speed to overtake,” Sean wrote.

“So the answer is still, if you don’t speed, you don’t have a problem.”

One said tolerance of speeding was a slippery slope towards allowing country folk to “drive without a seatbelt and while drunk, all with their mates riding on the back of the ute, taking the opportunity to shoot at signs (and roos) with AR-15s”.

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Nevertheless, multiple Region surveys on speeding head in one direction.

In answering the question ‘Should Canberra suburban streets have a 30km/h speed limit?’, 66 per cent of respondents said ‘never, 40km/h and 50km/h is slow enough’.

Similarly, 73 per cent of respondents to another Region poll agreed speed limits were generally too low in Canberra.

While speeding is always illegal, it seems feeling the need for speed is still out there.

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I have held a licence for 57 and was taught to overtake on the old Hume highway, a two lane goat track in those days. The best advice? Get around the other car as quickly as possible. Yes, exceed the speed limit; that is the safest thing to do when overtaking. Most drivers these days have no idea how to overtake another car or truck.

I think the photo attached to this article is unhelpful. It primes the reader to think about overtaking on a dual carriageway, while the article (and certainly the comments) envisage the situation of overtaking on a two way road with one lane in each direction. These are clearly different situations that the law should deal with differently, in my opinion.

Maybe provide some overlanes on the kings highway to the coast

Hunter valley farmer11:52 pm 13 Oct 24

Cars and roads are safer today, the licencing system in this country is an utter joke to be honest.

State govts are addicted to cheap easy revenue of $peed kill$.

Every car, even the slow ones speed up at overtaking lanes, only to slow down afterwards.

GrumpyGrandpa7:11 pm 13 Oct 24

Most commentators seem to be of the view that drivers should be able drive at whatever speed is required to enable them to overtake and get back of their side of the road.
The real problem with this thinking is that our speed limits are based on the standard of the roads etc. Speed around corners and curves are based on physics.
Yes, I’m probably that guy sitting in the left-hand lane doing the speed limit and not overtaking a slower vehicle unless there is an overtaking lane, because the law is the law.

@GrumpyGrandpa
“Speed around corners and curves are based on physics.”
Those driving responsibly don’t overtake on corners and curves but rather do so on clear, straight stretches of the road with ample distance and good visibility to complete the manoeuvre safely.

I agree “the law is the law” and will happily take the hit, if I get pinged, for exceeding the speed limit, while undertaking the aforementioned manoeuvre safely.

I would also add that I only overtake a slower vehicle, at speed, on long country drives – there’s nothing to be gained by overtaking while on a 20 km journey.

Oh, the joy of a German autobahn.

Clearly when overtaking, you have to speed up, then set your cruise control to the speed limit once overtaking is completed.

Couldn’t care less what anyone thinks. I’ll do what I need to overtake.

Hunter valley farmer11:58 pm 13 Oct 24

I agree, it’s just revenue,
The licencing system in this country in my opinion is an utter joke.

I speed up every time I’m overtaking a truck. The less time beside him, the safer I am.

“The less time beside him, the safer I am” … and the safer the truck is.

@Steve Whan – Agreed. The idea is to get around the slower vehicle and allow others behind you the same opportunity to pass with safety and efficiency. Not to count the number of nuts on each wheel of the vehicle you are passing.

An online poll is pro-speeding and less policing. I’d be shocked if it were otherwise.

Such polls are garbage.

Meanwhile, if a driver can’t overtake safely without speeding then why do they need to overtake?

Given most accidents in the ACT are nose to tail (ie. Tailgating) surely more visible and active policing would positively influence driver behaviour.

John Coleman12:31 am 14 Oct 24

They’re garbage because they don’t reflect actual community behaviour or they’re garbage because they do and that’s problematic?

Regarding the ostensible logic of your second point, if the car you’re overtaking is slower by even 10 km some degree of speeding still hastens the manoeuvre. I don’t justify it, my reply is descriptive.

“They’re garbage because they don’t reflect actual community behaviour or they’re garbage because they do and that’s problematic?”

Sorry John that doesn’t make sense. I didn’t suggest online polls reflect actual community behaviour that’s your incorrect assumption, online polls are well known to produce spurious, there’s lots of research into this if you’d care to look it up.

I’m aware that speeding hastens the manoeuvre, I just don’t see how it’s justified.

It’s certainly not possible to have subjective laws.

If a typical overtaking lane wasn’t so short, fewer drivers would feel the need to floor it to make it around in time. Just look at the drive to Cooma

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