Skip to content Skip to main navigation

News

Excellence in Public Sector consulting

ACT passes tough new anti-smoking laws.

By Chris Mordd Richards 8 December 2009 97

From the ABC news service – article here – the ACT legislative assembly has earlier today passed the proposed legislation to ban smoking in outdoor cafe and restaurant areas.

What annoys me personally (although im sure many RA’ers will love this) is this particular bit of the legislation as quoted from the article:

“Pubs and clubs however will be able to designate an outdoor smoking area of no more than 50 per cent of their outdoor space.”

Ms Gallagher says food and drink will not be permitted in the designated smoking areas and people under the age of 18 will not be allowed in.

So you won’t be able to smoke while drinking a beer or other beverage of any type in an outdoor area of a licensed venue anymore in 12 months time, even if the venue does not serve food.

That has to be the most tight-arsed anti-smoking laws in the country, sure I am a smoker, and I can even support the cafe/restaurant outdoor eating area aspect of this legislation, when in that situation I normally walk away to an open area anyway so as to not be smoking near people eating. To ban it in a licensed venue such as a pub or a club though, even if the venue is licensed for consumption of alcohol in that area (such as in internal beer garden as opposed to the public footpath), unless they also serve food in that area is just ridiculous.

The other aspect to this legislation is the fact that it is the last act in moving all smokers out of a designated smoking area onto the footpaths and streets, where sooner or later a vehicle accident or simply a fight on a crowded footpath results in someone being seriously injured as a result of this legislation, something highlighted to a certain extent by the Opposition, as quoted in the article:

The Opposition supported the legislation in general but health spokesman Jeremy Hanson raised some concerns.

“My concern is this will force smokers onto pavements rather than in designated smoking areas,” he said.

“If that happens then that will be a negative consequence.”

So smokers in 12 months time if you want to enjoy a drink and smoke outside, just remember NSW doesn’t have dracanion legislation like this and Queanbeyan has at least 1 nice venue with a beer garden you can smoke in.

What’s Your opinion?


Please login to post your comments, or connect with
97 Responses to
ACT passes tough new anti-smoking laws.
Filter
Showing only Website comments
Order
Newest to Oldest
Oldest to Newst
5
howmanypaulsarethere 2:23 am 25 Sep 10

Remember when you went to the pub for a few guilty pleasures? A few pints, a couple of cigarettes, some bad jokes and general relaxing with friends? Remeber Zorros, the phoenix and Gypsies?

I remember being at zorros for my 18th. Some of my friends weren’t 18 yet, but they were allowed in and given a free soft drink. Just don’t drink, she said. How Awesome is that!?

It seems that these times are gone. Everything is so regulated now.

Soon we will not be able to order a coffee, ponder about life, recieve said coffee, light a cigarette, and write the great australian novel

Not only do we have to say to our kids “you know, we used to run through sprinkers when I was your age, now we’ll have to say “I remember when you could light a cigarette in public”

As before mentioned, smoking near people dining and near kids is rude and inconsiderate. But I dare say that very few ‘smokers’ behave in such an anti-social manner.

We took outside on the cheak. Please Canberrans, do not let this happen, yoor vice may be next.

p1 4:14 pm 15 Dec 09

Ms Gallagher says food and drink will not be permitted in the designated smoking areas and people under the age of 18 will not be allowed in.”

So under 18’s will only be allowed in the drinking section? Kinda ironic how society has changed.

James-T-Kirk 2:24 pm 15 Dec 09

It is really really easy.

““Pubs and clubs however will be able to designate an outdoor smoking area of no more than 50 per cent of their outdoor space.”

Ms Gallagher says food and drink will not be permitted in the designated smoking areas and people under the age of 18 will not be allowed in.”

They don’t allow food or drink to be consumed. so……

Skull… Skull… Skull……..Skull

Have a smoke….

Wander back for more beer……

I am stunned that the public servants couldn’t think of that one!

spinact 12:03 pm 15 Dec 09

niftydog said :

It’s a two way street, spinact. Many smokers have no respect or consideration for others and it’s been that way for far too long. Having the ‘freedom’ to smoke doesn’t give you the right to inflict the smoke on everyone else.

Very true Niftydog, unfortunately not everyone in the world is considerate. This of course includes smokers, non-smokers, car drivers, bike riders etc etc.

I’ve only recently given up smoking however I was always a considerate smoker. My friends who smoke are considerate as well but for one or two of them, their consideration only came after much nagging and complaining from the non-smokers.

Jim Jones 11:03 am 15 Dec 09

Richard Bender said :

niftydog said :

Richard Bender said :

If you don’t want your meal “ruined” by selfish smokers… patronise a cafe that does not permit smoking.

Sounds like a great idea. Why don’t I just seal up my house with silicon and never venture outside ever again?! Heck, I’m just a non-smoker so I don’t really deserve any respect, consideration or personal freedom.

You are allowed personal freedom. You have the personal freedom to choose not to patronise a business that permits smoking on the premises. You have the personal freedom to tell the owner that you won’t come back unless smoking is banned on the premises and if the owner can’t get any customers because smoking is permitted, he has the personal freedom to review his policy. It is these new laws, not smokers, that are denying freedom.

And do the staff that work at these establishments have the freedom not to go near areas in which people are smoking?

niftydog 9:52 am 15 Dec 09

spinact said :

niftydog said :

Heck, I’m just a non-smoker so I don’t really deserve any respect, consideration or personal freedom.

Some impressive double standards being thrown around here. I love this place!

It’s a two way street, spinact. Many smokers have no respect or consideration for others and it’s been that way for far too long. Having the ‘freedom’ to smoke doesn’t give you the right to inflict the smoke on everyone else.

Granny 6:20 pm 14 Dec 09

Richard Bender said :

Nobody is compelled to eat, drink or work at any establishment. The fact that a particular cafe, restaurant or bar allows smoking is normally self-evident: look for the ashtrays on the tables. If you don’t want your meal “ruined” by selfish smokers, or do not want to be exposed to any health risks from passive smoking, patronise a cafe that does not permit smoking.

Back when smoking in these establishments was legal there was nowhere you could go to avoid it. I cannot think of one non-smoking establishment I could “choose” to patronise. Even on the buses people were allowed to smoke. I can’t wait till I can eat out without my babies choking on the poisonous carcinogenic smoke of inconsiderate people.

Thumper 6:02 pm 14 Dec 09

People with addictions can justify their behaviour in a number of creative ways; it goes hand-in-hand with having the addiction in the first place. There is no point arguing with an addict – they are addicted, and thus can not enter into rational arguments about their behaviours and how those behaviours might impact on others

But that doesn’t explain non smokers who think this is really draconian.

worldsmessiestbartender 11:50 am 14 Dec 09

dare2dream said :

“cigarettes are an addictive drug just like heroin, why are they legal?”

It possibly has something to do with politics and economics. Maybe something along the lines of the revenue the government gets from tobacco companies is far greater than the cost to the public purse of treating those who get lung cancer and emphysema from tobacco use.

The air that we all need to breathe should be unadulterated by tobacco smoke from thoughtless irresponsible smokers.

Expected revenue in normally around the 5-6 billion mark, each year. Social costs (costs to society as a whole, medical, occupational etc) of smoking is alleged at around 31 billion a year, although you would assume with less people smoking, tighter restrictions and increased taxes on cigarettes, the costs may start to balance out. Especially when you consider that many of the older smokers dying would have chipped in a lot less to the ‘social cost’ when they were buying cheaper smokes back in the day.

Govt receives similar revenue from alcohol tax, but social costs are only around 16 billion per year.

Now illegal drugs, well the govt makes no revenue, alleged costs are around half that again of alcohol.

Now if they just banned alcohol and cigarettes and taxed the illegal drugs…………….

“can I get a pack of cocaine thanks, nah, the one in the red packet……….”

spinact 11:37 am 14 Dec 09

Mr Evil said :

If we move all smokers to an enclave somewhere out near Yass, do not permit them to hold jobs, own property, or mix with non-smokers, then the world be a better place for all us, nein?

Ja Herr Evil, das ist eine gute idee

niftydog said :

Richard Bender said :

If you don’t want your meal “ruined” by selfish smokers… patronise a cafe that does not permit smoking.

Sounds like a great idea. Why don’t I just seal up my house with silicon and never venture outside ever again?! Heck, I’m just a non-smoker so I don’t really deserve any respect, consideration or personal freedom.

Some impressive double standards being thrown around here. I love this place!

deezagood 10:31 am 14 Dec 09

People with addictions can justify their behaviour in a number of creative ways; it goes hand-in-hand with having the addiction in the first place. There is no point arguing with an addict – they are addicted, and thus can not enter into rational arguments about their behaviours and how those behaviours might impact on others. The majority of addicts tend to think only of their own gratification; the impact of their behaviours on others (partners, kids, friends, family, people sitting at the next table etc…) is of very little consequence to most addicts. There really is no point arguing with an addict – you can’t win.

niftydog 9:42 am 14 Dec 09

Richard Bender said :

You are allowed personal freedom. You have the personal freedom to choose not to patronise a business that permits smoking on the premises.

WTF?

Freedom is being able to patronise any god-damned cafe you want without having to compromise your choice because of some smug fuck with a cancer stick!

Thumper 8:19 am 14 Dec 09

well said mr evil…

dare2dream 1:49 am 14 Dec 09

“cigarettes are an addictive drug just like heroin, why are they legal?”

It possibly has something to do with politics and economics. Maybe something along the lines of the revenue the government gets from tobacco companies is far greater than the cost to the public purse of treating those who get lung cancer and emphysema from tobacco use.

The air that we all need to breathe should be unadulterated by tobacco smoke from thoughtless irresponsible smokers.

Mr Evil 10:36 am 12 Dec 09

If we move all smokers to an enclave somewhere out near Yass, do not permit them to hold jobs, own property, or mix with non-smokers, then the world be a better place for all us, nein?

I’m so proud that the Stanhope Govt is prepared to stand up for human rights; after all, we wouldn’t want to live in a dictatorship or bully-boy state where there is never any consultation, would we?

Thumper 12:37 am 12 Dec 09

as i mentioned previously.et the pubs and clubs decide, market forces will soon sort out the rest.

Richard Bender 8:19 pm 11 Dec 09

niftydog said :

Richard Bender said :

If you don’t want your meal “ruined” by selfish smokers… patronise a cafe that does not permit smoking.

Sounds like a great idea. Why don’t I just seal up my house with silicon and never venture outside ever again?! Heck, I’m just a non-smoker so I don’t really deserve any respect, consideration or personal freedom.

You are allowed personal freedom. You have the personal freedom to choose not to patronise a business that permits smoking on the premises. You have the personal freedom to tell the owner that you won’t come back unless smoking is banned on the premises and if the owner can’t get any customers because smoking is permitted, he has the personal freedom to review his policy. It is these new laws, not smokers, that are denying freedom.

5

Related Articles

CBR Tweets

Sign up to our newsletter

Top
Copyright © 2018 Riot ACT Holdings Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
the-riotact.com | aboutregional.com.au | b2bmagazine.com.au | thisiscanberra.com

Search across the site