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Animal Justice Party ACT

By geni_lou - 27 August 2013 66

The Animal Justice Party is preferencing liberals Zed Seselja over the Greens Simon Sheikh in the Senate. They are also top of the ballot paper, which means they will get the donkey vote. If you’re voting for the libs anyway, obviously it won’t matter.

If you think you’re voting for animal welfare however, you’re actually sending your vote to the liberals, which actively oppose AJP’s policies.

AJP’s preferences, and their position on the ballot could hand Abbott the Senate – Antony Green has done a blog post on it here: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/08/senate-preferences-act.html.

AJP are deleting comments on their facebook page that highlight what a vote for them actually means.

So the moral of the story is, if you were going to vote for the libs anyway and were thinking AJP, go for it. If the thought of a liberal controlled Senate freaks you out; you think a party that will preference against their values just to spite another party they’re angry they can’t control is bonkers; and/or you think a party deleting comments letting people know where their vote will actually go is unethical, maybe think about swinging your vote another way.

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Animal Justice Party ACT
Jono 9:34 pm 27 Aug 13

pepmeup said :

I would say the problem is that most cat loving AJP voters would not have the ware with all to navigate the AEC website and find out where the preferences will flow.

I normally leave the English errors on the RA alone, although I struggle with the people who don’t even have a primary school level of communication and use constructions like “would of” and “could of”. However, I have to comment of your achievement here where you’ve turned one word into three.

“…ware with all…” – To beware with everyone? To have items for sale to the public at large? Not quite sure how to interpret it. Maybe I’ll have the wherewithal to work it out one day.

A_Cog 9:34 pm 27 Aug 13

chewy14 said :

So what’s the issue?

If you’re too lazy to find out what a party actually stands for and who they’re preferencing then you get what you deserve.

The issue is that parties such as the AJP are trading on misrepresenting what they stand for, and are secretly set up to deliberately pervert voting. Imagine if some white supremacist group set up a party called “Free the Refugees Party” and fed preferences to the Coalition.

chewy14 5:39 pm 27 Aug 13

So what’s the issue?

A lot of people voting for Labor think they’re voting for workers rights.
A lot of people voting for the Liberals think they’re supporting small government and fiscal responsibility.
A lot of people voting for the Greens think they’re voting for an environmental party.

If you’re too lazy to find out what a party actually stands for and who they’re preferencing then you get what you deserve.

geni_lou 5:13 pm 27 Aug 13

I believe only about 3% vote under the line, and around 5% donkey (number 1234…. starting at the top rather than choosing who to place at 1). That’s Australia wide, not ACT, which may be alittle different. The roo cull’s a local issue anyway, and I’m not dure how handing the Abbott the Senate is going to make any difference to it at all. After reading some of the things they’ve put out, and their inability to respond to any questions about what they’re doing let alone criticisms, I just think they’re really, really stupid.Far, far to stupid to vote for.

CraigT 5:02 pm 27 Aug 13

So AJP is in reality just another preference-farming Liberal outfit.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/22/revealed-the-libertarian-rights-micro-party-links/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

“A swag of right-wing micro-parties running Senate and House of Representatives candidates at the forthcoming federal election have been exposed as being controlled by the same cabal of fringe-dwelling acolytes.

The Australian Electoral Commission’s official party registration page reveals that scorched-earth political operator David Leyonhjelm is the registered officer for both the Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens) and the Liberal Democratic Party …”

It’s time corruption in this country was stamped out:
Mal Brough needs to go to gaol. The crooks from the AWB need to go to gaol.
And this above-the-line voting has to go.

Ltdttm 4:55 pm 27 Aug 13

with Canberra having about 14 partys in the senate this election, I would have thought that the above the line option would be more popular than normal, im not sure what percentage usually vote above the line but my guess is more will this election than the last one.

Anyway I can see with the ballot paper we have and the AJP in column A. it is highly likely that their choice to preference the Liberal party before the Greens, may well be the final nail in the coffin for what ever chance Simon Shiekh had in winning. and yes it was their choice to put Liberals above the Greens.

I am for live export and the roo cull so I don’t really care, as I heard someone say the other day, “there must be a more efficient way of controlling roo numbers, than hitting them with our cars”

pepmeup 4:41 pm 27 Aug 13

I would say the problem is that most cat loving AJP voters would not have the ware with all to navigate the AEC website and find out where the preferences will flow. I think all party’s should make it very clear where they are sending their votes. I doubt many true AJP voters would prefer Zed to Shiekh.

I also doubt weather the AJP will have a party in Canberra after the election if their preferences put Zed over the line.

thebrownstreak69 4:04 pm 27 Aug 13

As long as the Greens don’t get in, I’m happy.

geni_lou 4:02 pm 27 Aug 13

farout said :

If people vote above the line for AJP, their vote is going to the AJP, and or whoever the AJP thinks is most deserving of their preferences. That’s exactly how one would expect preferential voting to work.

Sure. Except AJP is playing a little payback game with the Greens over the roo cull, which could lead to the Libs (who support the cull & want to increase live export) getting over the Greens (who oppose live export.
From what I’ve seen on AJP’s facebook accounts, most people who are voting out of concern for animal welfare wouldn’t think AJP would support a party with worse animal welfare policies than another because of a vendetta. Which is why I posted.

IrishPete 4:00 pm 27 Aug 13

With so few Senate candidates in the ACT, there’s not much need to vote above the line.

It’s likely to matter more in NSW where there are over 100 Senate candidates, so above the line voting is going to be more common/necessary. I just found an ABC article saying that in Qld the AJP have done a deal with One Nation!

IP

geni_lou 3:53 pm 27 Aug 13

Baggy said :

geni_lou said :

THEY can. I think people should know where their vote’s going. Especially if it’s achieving the opposite of what they think it will.

Perhaps if people bothered to look these things up for themselves, they’d know. If they can’t be bothered, they’re probably not likely to care anyway, are they?

I think people generally take on trust that if a group sets up as an ‘issue’ party, they won’t act in a way that is detrimental to that issue. It’s not always easy to find or understand the impacts of preferences. It doesn’t mean people don’t care. I’ve voted for parties before that I thought were indy and have ended up being a front group, which (apart from being terrified of Zed in the Senate & Abbott controlling both houses) is why this behaviour bugs me so much.

farout 3:45 pm 27 Aug 13

If people vote above the line for AJP, their vote is going to the AJP, and or whoever the AJP thinks is most deserving of their preferences. That’s exactly how one would expect preferential voting to work.

Baggy 3:41 pm 27 Aug 13

geni_lou said :

THEY can. I think people should know where their vote’s going. Especially if it’s achieving the opposite of what they think it will.

Perhaps if people bothered to look these things up for themselves, they’d know. If they can’t be bothered, they’re probably not likely to care anyway, are they?

geni_lou 3:36 pm 27 Aug 13

THEY can. I think people should know where their vote’s going. Especially if it’s achieving the opposite of what they think it will.

farout 3:19 pm 27 Aug 13

If they’ve decided to award THEIR preference the Libs, that’s entirely their call. That is how Preferncial Voting works.

If they want to delete comments on THEIR facebook page, that’s their call as well.

Non-issue.

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