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Cops Too Lazy Nowadays?

By extra 23 June 2008 120

My girlfriend was bashed by her neighbour but when the police arrived they refused to charge him. Claiming since there were no independent witnesses (apparently me witnessing it wasn’t good enough) that it would be a waste of time to pursue and it would get chucked out of court anyways.

They said all this without even bothering to ask other neighbours and turned a blind eye to our injuries. They even refused to let my girlfriend put in a police statement until she kept hassling them for 2 weeks.

What does it take before police will actually do their job and take it seriously? I also heard you can’t use video footage in court if the accused is not aware they are being taped – is this true?

I would like to see ACT Policing provide...

  • Mercy in a time of no guns (2%, 5 Votes)
  • Guns in a time of no mercy (6%, 14 Votes)
  • Anarchy! (8%, 18 Votes)
  • More hard working police (18%, 40 Votes)
  • More hard work from police (19%, 42 Votes)
  • More police (29%, 65 Votes)
  • Zero tolerance to any offence (18%, 41 Votes)

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Spideydog 2:36 pm 26 Jun 08

I dub thee “RApedia”

Now go forth and write me a thesis with the facts reported here.

LOL

Whatsup 12:47 pm 26 Jun 08

Spideydog said :

I’m not saying tha this “story” is not true. But every time someone posts a “police” negative story, you automatically ASSUME “oh, it’s gotta be true.

Hey, if its in writing, like on the internet,it must be true ! RA is a source of solid fact and the opinions expressed should be respected as an authority on all issues.

vg 10:55 am 26 Jun 08

Thank you PeterH

Not a sentiment regularly expressed

peterh 9:24 am 26 Jun 08

Spideydog said :

Yeah ant and someone posting a “story” on a internet blog is the FULL TRUTH and in he CORRECT CONTEXT.

I’m not saying tha this “story” is not true. But every time someone posts a “police” negative story, you automatically ASSUME “oh, it’s gotta be true.

Sorry m8, but any “law enforcement” story or opinion you put up, I automatically take with a pinch of salt, because of your well known hatred of Police.

C’mon ant……”1st hand occounts” how the hell do you know if it’s a true 1st hand account. You don’t. You just assume it is because your anti-police.

Neighbourhood fights/disputes are one of the hardest incidents to deal with and PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. Why? because you have two lots of people living next door to each other and when police attend to an incident you have tow sides giving complete opposite stories and usually there is no other evidence or 3rd party, impartial witnesses….how the hell can you prove beyond reasonable doubt….very bloody hard. And remember just because one party has “injuries” it doesn’t automatically make them the victim.

But enough of this, some people will never understand and they just have expectations of “police don’t do what I demand so therefore are lazy and incompetant.”

Just remember, you may know that someone has done something, but if police can’t prove it beyond reasonable doubt, it may not go to court. You don’t like the “rules” that Police work by, talk to the government and get the rules changed.

Or perhaps push to get more stations, police, and resources for all the Emergency services.

vg said :

But I’m sure that ‘whinger’ is part of yours.

Next time you’re at work standing in the middle of a street at a fatal collision at 4am on a Wednesday morning when its -6 outside give your local Police station a yell.

I haven’t “been at work”, but I have had to assist in the clean up of some nasty accidents over the years.

I am very grateful to the police service, otherwise I would have had to try to restrain several people myself – from trying to pull a person from out of the wreckage, out from under the car / truck / trailer (considering a few were alive, yet others weren’t), or trying to beat the sh!t out of each other (bluecoat, did you see that??) over who’s fault it was.

I have been broken into, the police were there fairly quickly, and offered assistance through counselling to my family, considering that the oiks that broke in did terrible things to the walls and carpet with fluids that never should be used for that purpose….

hmmm, maybe they were 3yo’s, mine seems to delight in doing the same with her nappy….

(we blamed the suburb we lived in, but that wasn’t charnwood….)

They were understanding when I reported my car stolen, only to find that it was a repo, as the desk sergeant said, “these things happen, son, they are a part of life….”

And finally, in my youth, when I had fallen into a rough crowd in a group house, they intervened, saving me from a pretty bad life by arresting all occupants bar 3 of us (big house, not as big as where they ended up) for various offences including GTA.

I respect the law, and the enforcement of the law by the police.

perhaps if the govt took the time to look at security at home, rather than overseas, we would have a far better response rate, but as the police are working harder with less, they will be the butt of criticism and ridicule from those of us who don’t appreciate that they are there.

I absolutely appreciate that they are there.

Spideydog 2:24 am 26 Jun 08

Yeah ant and someone posting a “story” on a internet blog is the FULL TRUTH and in he CORRECT CONTEXT.

I’m not saying tha this “story” is not true. But every time someone posts a “police” negative story, you automatically ASSUME “oh, it’s gotta be true.

Sorry m8, but any “law enforcement” story or opinion you put up, I automatically take with a pinch of salt, because of your well known hatred of Police.

C’mon ant……”1st hand occounts” how the hell do you know if it’s a true 1st hand account. You don’t. You just assume it is because your anti-police.

Neighbourhood fights/disputes are one of the hardest incidents to deal with and PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. Why? because you have two lots of people living next door to each other and when police attend to an incident you have tow sides giving complete opposite stories and usually there is no other evidence or 3rd party, impartial witnesses….how the hell can you prove beyond reasonable doubt….very bloody hard. And remember just because one party has “injuries” it doesn’t automatically make them the victim.

But enough of this, some people will never understand and they just have expectations of “police don’t do what I demand so therefore are lazy and incompetant.”

Just remember, you may know that someone has done something, but if police can’t prove it beyond reasonable doubt, it may not go to court. You don’t like the “rules” that Police work by, talk to the government and get the rules changed.

ant 12:08 am 26 Jun 08

DJ said:

DJ said :

I also thought that extra could very easily be one of the Police haters using another login. The story was typical of those in the past that were based on nothing and appeared emotive without base.

Based on nothing… but personal experience. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
People telling first hand accounts of what they’ve experienced must be dismissed as being people posting under fake names? You are not intelligent. We all post under fake names.

Maybe you have to face up to the awful fact that there are many people out there who have experienced poor “service” from the police.

vg 11:17 pm 25 Jun 08

and apologies for the double post but I assume you have taken your complaint to the Ombudsman (the proper forum for such grievances)?

………..Thought not

vg 11:16 pm 25 Jun 08

But I’m sure that ‘whinger’ is part of yours.

Next time you’re at work standing in the middle of a street at a fatal collision at 4am on a Wednesday morning when its -6 outside give your local Police station a yell.

We have plenty of jurors, they’re in the Supreme Court for indictable matters. And magistrates don’t decide based on their ‘opinion’, its on their interpretation of the facts and hand and the law applying to them. I’m no fan of the way several of our magistracy conduct themselves, but if they decided matters based purely on their opinion there would be a well worn track between the Mags Court and the adjacent Court of Appeal.

But then again, according to your opinion, its the opposite. So the magistracy seemingly can’t act on their opinion, but yours isn’t wrong. Somewhat ironic

extra 11:01 pm 25 Jun 08

I think some of you are forgetting that police are there to serve the community and it’s their job to uphold the law. Magistrates are to execute a decision, but doesn’t mean that they’re always right. I also think it’s unfair that based on one person’s opinion they can decide what is sentenced down. We need more jurors. You can’t expect one person, with the title “magistrate” to know what to do on his own.

Why have all these laws when people can easily break them and get away with it? I get the “beyond reasonable doubt” thing, but that doesn’t excuse not even trying to get evidence. That is what I call lazy.

It’s like a cleaner that doesn’t clean. It’s their “job” to clean, they’re paid for it. The same with police. It’s their job to uphold the law and catch criminals. Is it not?

I’m sure “lazy” isn’t part of their job description.

peterh 12:25 pm 25 Jun 08

Thumper said :

Now…local neighbourhood teenage arsehole appears in close proximity to me one day and say “suck shit that the cops couldn’t prove it was me”.

A long time ago in a suburb far far away, let’s call it Charnwood, I had the same thing happen to me.

I’m not sure what his dentist bill was though 😉

why is it thumper, that I feel that I know you?

must be the references to Charnwood. Then again, we were well behaved lads there, never caused trouble, never rampaged through the suburb – we weren’t game, charny boys only give you one chance…..

Clown Killer 11:47 am 25 Jun 08

Special G. 20 months may or may not be an appropriate sentence for rape, I don’t know the case so I cant make an informed decision … and I guess that’s more to the point of what I’m trying to say. I would argue that the majoriity of people would form a view about what is and isn’t an appropriate punishment with no idea of the real details of the case … just because people have a view, it dosn’t make it a legitimate one.

Plenty of people speed on the parkway too. Does that mean that speed limits should be raised to meet community expectations?

Special G 11:03 am 25 Jun 08

@Clownkiller “I would argue that the community often has unrealistic expectations of the sorts of punishments that should be handed out and that they don’t understand the legal processes and frameworks involved.”

The Magistrates are supposed to be representing the communities expectations. If the community has higher expectations of what sentences should be then the Magistrates should be representing those. You can’t tell me that 20 months for rape is something the community thinks is acceptable.

PBO 9:37 am 25 Jun 08

I agree with Roadrage77 post #74:

Natural Justice, then let the media work it out!

Thumper 8:38 am 25 Jun 08

Now…local neighbourhood teenage arsehole appears in close proximity to me one day and say “suck shit that the cops couldn’t prove it was me”.

A long time ago in a suburb far far away, let’s call it Charnwood, I had the same thing happen to me.

I’m not sure what his dentist bill was though 😉

Clown Killer 7:28 am 25 Jun 08

Magistrates have little understanding of what the community wants them to do when it comes to sentencing.

Whilst I agree with the broad tennor of what you’re saying DJ, I disagree with your observation with respect to magistrates. I just don’t buy the idea that our judges and magistrates are somehow disenfranchised from the community, that they dont have kids that go to school, that they dont drive to work on the same roads as the rest of us, that they dont stand in queues at super-markets, read the paper, listen to the radio, watch telly or go to the footy and pay too much for soggy chips and flat beer in a plastic cup. They’re regular people just like most of the rest of us and would have a pretty good idea of what community views are.

I would argue that the community often has unrealistic expectations of the sorts of punishments that should be handed out and that they don’t understand the legal processes and frameworks involved.

DJ 5:12 am 25 Jun 08

I came out straight away because the story held no credibility and I believe that it is still very much lacking… it was a low blow/cheap shot from the start with the title! I picked my mark and was rewarded for being correct with extra stating “DJ I hope your partner or your mum gets assaulted one day, then you’ll know how it feels. Or maybe get your ass raped.”

I also thought that extra could very easily be one of the Police haters using another login. The story was typical of those in the past that were based on nothing and appeared emotive without base.

Most of you get it. Some of you don’t. Even if this actually happened extra vented and only told us part of a story that appeared to be seeking a response from the anti-Police crowd….

Police have rules to follow. If you don’t like the rules seek to change them or live somewhere else.

In case you weren’t aware, criminals don’t have rules of any kind that bind or restrict them.

Police have to PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. This is not an easy task and you don’t appreciate it because you don’t understand or have never experienced it.

Criminals lie. Lawyers lie. Magistrates have little understanding of what the community wants them to do when it comes to sentencing.

Police can’t please everybody everytime because some people have self important views and believe that life ad how Police act should be like CSI or such. Police are also subject to more levels of scrutiny than most occupations.

For all those who think thay have been treated poorly by Police, I suggest you either continue to let your thoughts and feelings fester and continue to make everything in life taste bitter OR you could help yourself by going through appropriate channels and get answers to your speculation instead of jumping to the wrong conclusions.

Special G 1:44 am 25 Jun 08

I’d hate to have to deal with rules of evidence to actually prove something. That would ruin my day. It’s so much easier to point the finger and say he did it because..

Mr Swami – I have no doubt the little neighbourhood shite did damage your property although he has a basic defence of I was just walking past and saw some guy damaging your property so I went to investigate. The guy ran off and then you came out of the house. IT doesn’t sound all that plausible although in the ACT Courts this would fly making prospects of a conviction minimal and therefore not in the public interest to spend the thousands of dollars attempting to prosecute him. Without a witness to the incident wht you have is circumstantial evidence.

shauno 1:02 am 25 Jun 08

#91 posted by swamiOFswank

“and still lace their hydro with strichnine…”

Um small point but why the hell would they lace their dope with rat poison. Aside from the fact that it would make their product pretty hard to sell. They themselves wouldn’t smoke it either.

swamiOFswank 11:49 pm 24 Jun 08

OMG deadman…art imitates life…either that or I’m a cliche… OUCH!

bigred 10:12 pm 24 Jun 08

I still reckon the ACT Policing monopoly should be broken up and put out to tender. If the current providers are the best option, they will win. If not, well …!

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