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Glenloch Morons

By pbissett 13 April 2011 99

I’m calling for permanent traffic monitoring in roadwork zones.

A woman who tailgated me through the Glenloch roadworks today was so furious that I was doing the speed limit she pulled up next to me on Parkes Way after the roadwork zone, leaned out her window  and hurled abuse whilst driving at 90 km/h.

I wanted to move into the left lane and she deliberately blocked me, speeding up and slowing down.

One woman driving recklessly, endangering me and others because I was doing the speed limit.

Things like this happen every day and I’m sick of it.

What’s Your opinion?


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shadow boxer said :

No, pick any figure you want, it doesn’t matter.

Did you just make it up to further your argument?

triffid 4:09 pm 19 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

lol, you are a normal road user and you regularly speed because you think you know better than the posted limit and are a better driver than everyone else so you can make your own rules, there’s a bloke in this thread ready to whip some vigilante justice on your ass.

My guess is you regard getting a speeding ticket when you get caught as bad luck rather than a heinous crime. My point is until we get speed limits that a normal rational person like yourself considerd reasonable and sticks to, enforcing the status quo with a heavy hand will have little effect.

Some options include variable speed limits like on the M7 (even though they set them to low) or the German model of reasonable speed for the conditions as determined by the police officer.

Your “gunning it” in town to get away from other drivers may be considered unreasonable if observed out of context though.

I’ve said it a few times now and I think it’s boring people so i’ll be quiet now.

(sigh) Not entirely accurate, I’m afraid. I am not a ‘normal’ road user in the context of ‘one of the herd’. Nor do I regularly speed. When I do speed it is because I adjudge — with the benefit of my experience — the conditions safe to do so, not because I ‘think I know better than the posted limit’ (in those circumstances I regard the posted limits as ‘advisory’. Shoot me for having enjoyed the German experience. Be aware that I continue to drive the road as I see it, with a high level of concentration). Nor do I ‘think’ that I am a better driver than most. I know I am in some criteria (level of car control skill / road reading / road craft generally) But, I can make small mistakes in other areas.

Your guess is wrong in that I don’t regard getting pinged as ‘bad luck’ (I actually did get caught by a red light / speed camera for the first time in 20 years recently . . . only a tiddle over and within speedo error . . . couldn’t be stuffed fighting it). Rather, I wear it as a fair cop (or a complete lack of observation on my behalf if on the highway). In some instances, I would regard it as a heinous crime (I’d consider hanging up the gloves if I ever got done in a school zone for example).

It is my assertion that the speed limits set ARE appropriate for the NORMAL driver. In fact, in many instances, they ARE too high. While I’d happily support the German approach, I would only be prepared to do so when you (and my mum) can explain to me the dynamics of tri-axial roll understeer and / or shut-throttle oversteer (and have performed an emergency brake procedure from 220 km/hr . . . in the wet).

My ‘gunning it’ in town has been the subject of police attention in the past (as have occasions of anticipating light changes so as to arrive at fresh green lights rolling at 40 km/hr, thereby enabling me to glide past the stationary patrol car, that guns past me, only to need to brake and stop — way up the road from me — at the red light that then freshly changes to green, thereby allowing me to glide through at 40 km / hr past the patrol car etc etc). But, I do not do so in a manner so as to create undue noise or attention, or to operate vehicle in a reckless manner. It has never raised a ticket: ever.

I once had a NSW highway patrol car sit on my tail for 15 or so km at ‘a speed we don’t talk about in public’. He only overtook me 10 km outside of a major NSW country town. His ‘message lights’ on the car’s roof tapped out ‘check speed’. The patrol car bolted off as I rolled off the throttle. I stopped at the same road house in that town to refuel as the patrol car had also stopped. I thanked the officer for cutting me some slack. He explained that, in following me, he could see that I posed no harm. His exact words were “lovely road placement . . . you’ve ridden motorbikes, too, haven’t you?” He then pointed out where the radars and other patrols were for the remainder of my route. I would anticipate (and hope) that very same officer, had he come up behind some muppet P plater, devoid of skill, travelling at my pace, to have taken his licence off him and cut it up on the spot.

Still not QED (LOL)

shadow boxer 3:51 pm 19 Apr 11

No, pick any figure you want, it doesn’t matter.

shadow boxer said :

lol, you are a normal road user and you regularly speed because you think you know better than the posted limit and are a better driver than everyone else so you can make your own rules, there’s a bloke in this thread ready to whip some vigilante justice on your ass.

My guess is you regard getting a speeding ticket when you get caught as bad luck rather than a heinous crime. My point is until we get speed limits that a normal rational person like yourself considerd reasonable and sticks to, enforcing the status quo with a heavy hand will have little effect.

Some options include variable speed limits like on the M7 (even though they set them to low) or the German model of reasonable speed for the conditions as determined by the police officer.

Your “gunning it” in town to get away from other drivers may be considered unreasonable if observed out of context though.

I’ve said it a few times now and I think it’s boring people so i’ll be quiet now.

Beofre you go can you please, please point to the evidence of the 80% of people that admit to ‘regularly speeding’?

shadow boxer 2:38 pm 19 Apr 11

lol, you are a normal road user and you regularly speed because you think you know better than the posted limit and are a better driver than everyone else so you can make your own rules, there’s a bloke in this thread ready to whip some vigilante justice on your ass.

My guess is you regard getting a speeding ticket when you get caught as bad luck rather than a heinous crime. My point is until we get speed limits that a normal rational person like yourself considerd reasonable and sticks to, enforcing the status quo with a heavy hand will have little effect.

Some options include variable speed limits like on the M7 (even though they set them to low) or the German model of reasonable speed for the conditions as determined by the police officer.

Your “gunning it” in town to get away from other drivers may be considered unreasonable if observed out of context though.

I’ve said it a few times now and I think it’s boring people so i’ll be quiet now.

triffid 2:12 pm 19 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Exhibit A, I rest my case.

Not so fast, sport. I’m not even remotely advocating:

shadow boxer said :

40 kmh, fair dinkum, what a stupid speed limit, should just get a bloke with a flag to walk in front of you.

OR

shadow boxer said :

Why ? They are all good people, I dont usually judge people on sunglass choice.

Some people in this thread need to realise that 80% of people speed because the limits are stupid and we have lives and places to be.

If you can’t keep up get out of the way….

Rather, what I am saying is that the 80 percent quoted is meaningless without context. I could, or could not, suit ‘the frame’ depending on the context. My reasons for being ‘Hector’ around town are to make an allowance on road for people who think that, ” . . . the limits are stupid and we have lives and places to be.” (but who, as far as I see demonstrated daily, can’t drive for sh*t). I occasionally hammer it on the highway ‘cos I safely can, my car(s) can, I pose no risk to others and it is safer for me to do so.

Rather, what I am saying is (as someone who can, in all likelihood, call themselves qualified to make an assessment) that speed limits AREN’T stoopid when the calibre of vehicle operation — in the broad — is considered. It’s got nothing to do with road standards . . . make them all gravel for all I care.

The ’80 percent’ you have relied upon in that context is meaningless, especially when 99.99999 percent of that 80 percent couldn’t drive a greasy stick . . .er, couldn’t drive out of sight on a dark night with their lights off (as many of them do). It’s not clear to me that my assertion assists in placing you in the ‘QED’ seat just yet.

shadow boxer 1:07 pm 19 Apr 11

triffid said :

shadow boxer said :

Well from the first link

“Motorists are breaking the law,” according to car insurance provider Budget Direct, who say “29 per cent of drivers admit to speeding in residential areas while a further 60 per cent exceed the speed limit on highways, motorways or freeways.” With the help of market research company footprints, Budget Directasked residents across Australia to anonymously reveal their driving habits when it comes to speeding and the results are of grave concern.

Again, the concept requires some thought, not just sound bites out of context.

If I had responded to that survey I would have likely indicated that, yes, I speed on highways (but probably not motorways or freeways). When I do, it is invariably when there’s A) bugger all other traffic around (‘cos it’s sometime between 2400 hrs and 0500 hrs) and B) I’m the only one in the car. And, yes, I will sometimes drop the hammer in an urban environment for a short burst to improve my safety (by thereby having fewer cars around me).

But (and here’s a bit of a critical perspective) I more usually creep around like Hector the Safety Cat around town and rarel go over any posted limits.

Driving around me, you’d swear I have a wardrobe full of beige cardies (I don’t). AND, the reason I do that is as a simple defence against the f-stick hammering along Limestone at 90 k because “speed limits are stopid and I have a life to lead and places to be”. I am every bit capable of getting from Canberra to Brisbane in well under 12 hours safely and without any impact on others, or by placing anyone, including myself, at any risk of harm (done it plenty of times). But, I make the allowance for you, the f-stick, around town, because my skills and experience enables me to watch your roadcraft, your road placement, the way you ‘balance’ the car and transfer its mass as you pilot it around and I can instantly tell you haven’t got the slightest clue what you are doing. That you’ve either got your fog lights on, or that your car is grey, the street lights are on and you haven’t got even parkers on is another giveaway (or that you have oversize sunnies on and drive a Lancer).

So, in my mind, it’s more lies, damn lies and statistics . . . numbers that are meaningless without context.

Exhibit A, I rest my case.

triffid 12:55 pm 19 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

Well from the first link

“Motorists are breaking the law,” according to car insurance provider Budget Direct, who say “29 per cent of drivers admit to speeding in residential areas while a further 60 per cent exceed the speed limit on highways, motorways or freeways.” With the help of market research company footprints, Budget Directasked residents across Australia to anonymously reveal their driving habits when it comes to speeding and the results are of grave concern.

Again, the concept requires some thought, not just sound bites out of context.

If I had responded to that survey I would have likely indicated that, yes, I speed on highways (but probably not motorways or freeways). When I do, it is invariably when there’s A) bugger all other traffic around (‘cos it’s sometime between 2400 hrs and 0500 hrs) and B) I’m the only one in the car. And, yes, I will sometimes drop the hammer in an urban environment for a short burst to improve my safety (by thereby having fewer cars around me).

But (and here’s a bit of a critical perspective) I more usually creep around like Hector the Safety Cat around town and rarel go over any posted limits. Driving around me, you’d swear I have a wardrobe full of beige cardies (I don’t). AND, the reason I do that is as a simple defence against the f-stick hammering along Limestone at 90 k because “speed limits are stopid and I have a life to lead and places to be”. I am every bit capable of getting from Canberra to Brisbane in well under 12 hours safely and without any impact on others, or by placing anyone, including myself, at any risk of harm (done it plenty of times). But, I make the allowance for you, the f-stick, around town, because my skills and experience enables me to watch your roadcraft, your road placement, the way you ‘balance’ the car and transfer its mass as you pilot it around and I can instantly tell you haven’t got the slightest clue what you are doing. That you’ve either got your fog lights on, or that your car is grey, the street lights are on and you haven’t got even parkers on is another giveaway (or that you have oversize sunnies on and drive a Lancer).

So, in my mind, it’s more lies, damn lies and statistics . . . numbers that are meaningless without context.

stelita 12:15 pm 19 Apr 11

WOW what a hot topic!
Well I’m female, I drive a ford, and I don’t wear sunglasses. I drive past the road works every day and when I see that 60 or 40kph sign I slow down and do exactly that. It doesn’t matter what the other cars are doing behind or infront of me, if by any chance there’s a radar check – and I have seen them on the odd occasion – I’m not going to be the one to get booked!

Just let the P platers and big sunglass ladies just fly by and don’t give them a second thought.

shadow boxer said :

Well from the first link

“Motorists are breaking the law,” according to car insurance provider Budget Direct, who say “29 per cent of drivers admit to speeding in residential areas while a further 60 per cent exceed the speed limit on highways, motorways or freeways.” With the help of market research company footprints, Budget Directasked residents across Australia to anonymously reveal their driving habits when it comes to speeding and the results are of grave concern.

Again, the concept requires some thought, not just sound bites out of context.

Funny that you make that comment about soundbites – if you go back and look at the first link, the quote you have used is contradicted later with the following:

‘In residential areas 25% admit to exceeding the speed limit by up to 10km/h and a reckless 4% admitted to 11km/h and over.’ (ie a total of 29%)

‘50% speed up to 10km/h over and a further 10% exceed the limit by 11km/h’ (ie a total of 60%)

You also include a Federally funded reoport that states:

‘A majority of drivers said they commonly drive at or below the speed limit in both 60km/hr
urban and 100km/hr rural zones. Just over half (54%) said they normally drive at the speed
limit in a 60km/hr urban zone, and a further 28% said they drive below the limit. Similar
proportions said they commonly drive at (45%) or below (25%) the limit in 100km/hr rural
zones.’

So it is ‘all over the internet’ yet you can provide no evidence of 80% of people that admit to ‘regularly speeding’ – and these are your words.

shadow boxer 11:09 am 19 Apr 11

Well from the first link

“Motorists are breaking the law,” according to car insurance provider Budget Direct, who say “29 per cent of drivers admit to speeding in residential areas while a further 60 per cent exceed the speed limit on highways, motorways or freeways.” With the help of market research company footprints, Budget Directasked residents across Australia to anonymously reveal their driving habits when it comes to speeding and the results are of grave concern.

Again, the concept requires some thought, not just sound bites out of context.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

shadow boxer said :

@CSRI

It’s all over the Internet, the actual figure varies according to survey but you have to remember these are the people actually admitting to it.

http://quotesonline.com.au/blog/?tag=motoring-survey

http://rac.com.au/About-Us/RAC-eNews/2010/February-10/Almost-three-quarters-of-motorists-speeding.aspx

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2003/pdf/Speed_Risk_4.pdf

Thanks for the links. Where did you get the 80% figure from?

Before you squib with the unsubstantiated ‘you and Jim Jones make things up’ rubbish, care to answer the question above? Or did you just make up the 80% figure?

eily 7:23 pm 18 Apr 11

shadow boxer said :

EvanJames said :

SigmaOctantis said :

Has anyone else noticed how it’s always young women who are the rudest, most aggresive, inconsiderate and unco-operative drivers on Canberra’s roads? I’ve been subjected several times to finger flipping and mouth flapping from young women wearing massive fly-eye-like sunnies and driving some sporty red coupe 30kms over the limit right up my backside. Why the abuse? For the crime of having obeyed the road rules. Grow up for God’s sake.

I had to check the name of the poster of this to make sure it wasn’t me, posting in my sleep!

I call those giant sunglasses “bitch sunglasses”, worn by young and middle-aged rude, aggressive drivers of the female persuasion.

Their anger behind the wheel is only exceeded by their incompetence at controlling their car. The young ones drive Excels and Lancers, the older ones have shiny 4WDs.

Wow, what a sad old man you must be, every girl I know under 30 wears them.

Not for much longer, Paris isn’t under 30 any more. No longer a roll model for them.

shadow boxer 6:06 pm 18 Apr 11

Nah, I dont think you do….but never mind, I’m not going to debate someone that just ignores what I say and makes things up. I’ve seen you and Jim do it in other threads as well.

shadow boxer said :

No I dont think so, but you may be right.

I am sure we will continue with the road safety strategy we currently have and watch the carnage that occurs over Easter with a shake of the head and a call for more speed cameras.

Unfortunately they will have no effect and we will do it again next year

Right, increasing the speed limit will reduce the road toll. I’ve got it now.

shadow boxer 4:12 pm 18 Apr 11

No I dont think so, but you may be right.

I am sure we will continue with the road safety strategy we currently have and watch the carnage that occurs over Easter with a shake of the head and a call for more speed cameras.

Unfortunately they will have no effect and we will do it again next year

shadow boxer said :

Sorry, maybe it is that difficult a concept for some.

For most, I would suggest.

shadow boxer 10:49 am 18 Apr 11

Sorry, maybe it is that difficult a concept for some.

shadow boxer said :

People are not stupid and blunt force rarely works, but carry on maybe you can bash people into submission eventually, but I doubt it, and lots of lives will be lost in the meantime.

Lives will be lost by enforcing speed limits? Are you stoned?

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