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How dedicated bike lanes work in Amsterdam

Grail 16 August 2011 81

Following Pedal Power’s contentious proposal yesterday for barriers to separate bike lanes on Northbourne from traffic here’s a look at how they do things in Amsterdam.


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The cycleway is the red portion of this pavement.


bike paths

Here’s another example of Amsterdam. Two-directional tramway in the middle-through-lower-left. Bike path on the left behind the teal bollards, and to the right. Sandwiched in there are two lanes of car traffic. This path is about as wide as Northbourne Avenue between Sydney and Melbourne buildings.


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And here is a drawbridge which has two spans: one for cars, the other for pedestrian traffic (i.e.: “Copenhagen style”)


bike path

And remember that the bike paths are shared between bicycles and mopeds.


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wildturkeycanoe 6:32 pm 17 Aug 11

If the Amsterdam idea is so great, why don’t we just adopt the whole lot and add trams to the congestion as well? Seems to work wonders in the CBD of Melbourne! I did notice how difficult it was for emergency services to get past Flinder’s Street station with all the pedestrians, trams bicycles and cars all sharing the same piece of tar. Brilliance by design.
In the words of a wise musician – “Gotta keep ’em separated!”

alaninoz 6:30 pm 17 Aug 11

tidalik said :

Why do people write such rubbish? For the spending of taxes to be a zero-sum game you would have to assume that none of it has any further economic benefit. If that were the case, why fund anything in the first place?

Because it’s not rubbish. In the context of the quote it’s accurate. ROI on the various forms of expenditure is a different issue.

tidalik 5:33 pm 17 Aug 11

alaninoz said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

Wrong. For a given level of taxation, the distribution of those taxes is a zero sum game. What is spent on bicycle – and car – infrastructure can’t be spent on hospitals, schools, public art etc.

Why do people write such rubbish? For the spending of taxes to be a zero-sum game you would have to assume that none of it has any further economic benefit. If that were the case, why fund anything in the first place?

alaninoz 4:34 pm 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

Wrong. For a given level of taxation, the distribution of those taxes is a zero sum game. What is spent on bicycle – and car – infrastructure can’t be spent on hospitals, schools, public art etc.

Gungahlin Al 4:22 pm 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

Stevian said :

And in Australia we drive like maniacs

Only in the Northern Territory(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-16/20110816clp-speed-limit/2842024) ,The ACT has a good record.

I’d contest that. I think the average ACT driver leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. We are just fortunate enough to have a road system that tends to protect us from each other – aided by a very conservative approach to traffic light sequencing.

Felix the Cat 3:11 pm 17 Aug 11

doomguy1001 said :

Amsterdam is NOT Canberra! Hope that is clear for some of you out there.

Canberra was designed with cars and the possibility of a rail/tram system in mind. Not the Utopian cyclist paradise you wish to create, I second what SkyRing said about keeping cyclists away from roads as much as possible.

Think about it, How can a cyclist be run over or be involved in any kind of contact with the road traffic (with the exception of intersections) if they are riding on a bike path/pedestrian path at least two or so metres away from the road.

Granted the bike path system doesn’t exactly lend itself to direct timely commuting and heaven forbid that pedestrians with children and/or dogs could using them. But surely the existing network could be looked at and improvements made to cater for more direct travel using the bike path network. Why create a new network when we can spend less time and less money improving what we have already got?

You want the dedicated bike lanes? Amsterdam style? Pay rego. Road vehicle traffic pays rego to basically pay for the cost of construction and maintenance of the roads – cyclists using the road based bike lanes have been getting a free ride (excuse the pun) on the road system for too long.

Very little if any of the cost of rego goes toward construction and maintenace of roads. it just goes into general consolidated revenue.

As soon as the pedestrians pay rego I’ll happily pay it for my bike(s). How dare they walk on OUR paths.I had to slow down to 5km/h and wait 10 seconds the other day before I could get around him. Made me 15 seconds late for work too. Where are their bells and reflectors? Outrageous.

Those other freeloading sportspeople like footballers, cricketers and joggers had better fork out too, those ovals are expensive to install and maintain. Better also rip out all those swings in the parks, there’s no need for them, those damn kids expect everything for nothing.

Skyring 1:58 pm 17 Aug 11

KB1971 said :

Jungle Jim said :

KB1971 said :

Takes me 30 minutes toget to Woden from Lanyon. My half way mark is the southern most entrance to Beazley street from Athllon Dve.

How can the half way mark between Woden and Lanyon be Beasley Street (I assume Farrer)?

Google maps has the distance between Callam St and Box Hill Ave as 15.4km by Athllon and it’s only about 3km to Beasley…

A) google maps is not 100% accurate and also doesn’t take into account that I am using the cycle paths.
B) Lanyon is the general area I leave from, I am a little south of the shops (2km) Taking into account that the cycle paths are a bit longer and I live further south, that makes Beaseley St the middle. More than one cycle computer has confirmed this.

Ah, we’re talking horizontal distance here. It’s 15.9 km from the dead centre of Woden to Lanyon shops, according to Google Maps, and add on the two kilometres extra, that maps it about 18 kilometres, unless (as is probable here) you’ve confused north and south.

The same source gives 3,6 km as the distance from Woden to the most distant Beasley Street.

Possibly you mean Beazley Crescent in Calwell, which may be the case if you have been wearing your helmet a little too tightly?

shadow boxer 1:55 pm 17 Aug 11

Stevian said :

BicycleCanberra said :

shadow boxer said :

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

You’re wasting your breath, oil addiction erodes empathy and intelligence.

See that would be fine if it didn’t have anything to do with me and my car, unfortunately it does when you start screwing around with a main arterial road like Northbourne avenue by closing and narrowing lanes.

BicycleCanberra 1:45 pm 17 Aug 11

Stevian said :

And in Australia we drive like maniacs

Only in the Northern Territory(http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-16/20110816clp-speed-limit/2842024) ,The ACT has a good record.

Skyring 1:38 pm 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

shadow boxer said :

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

Ah, I don’t think he was talking about motor vehicles there.

Pete, making a fair guess at preferred exercise routines

Skyring 1:35 pm 17 Aug 11

triffid said :

Deckard said :

triffid said :

chewy14 said :

Driving from Canberra to Brisbane is the same as driving from Brugge (in Belgium) to Cairo (yes . . . in Egypt).

Give or take a couple of thousand Km.

Look it up on a map, as my Belgian friends did the last time they visited and we were rolling through the night somewhere around Tenterfield. It was their calculation, not mine (and a trip they had apparently done).

What map were they using and what were they smoking?

Seriously, I ran it through Google Maps, and Canberra to Brisbane comes up as 1 200 km and about 14 hours. Driving, rather than cycling.

Brugge to Cairo works out as 3 300 km, which will give you a handy chunk of frequent flyer points.

Look, it’s ok. We’ve all had friends who tell us that something is longer than it really is. Especially if it comes out at night, when it’s hard to run a ruler over it in the backseat of a car.

Stevian 1:21 pm 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

Classified said :

Clearly, when people don’t obey the rules it means a major accident or death is imminent.

It is not a law to wear bicycle helmets in Holland( except in cycle races,which is a UCI requirement) and many other countries. Accidents are low, and the Netherlands has the safest roads in the world.

And in Australia we drive like maniacs

Stevian 1:20 pm 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

shadow boxer said :

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

You’re wasting your breath, oil addiction erodes empathy and intelligence.

triffid 1:11 pm 17 Aug 11

Deckard said :

triffid said :

chewy14 said :

Driving from Canberra to Brisbane is the same as driving from Brugge (in Belgium) to Cairo (yes . . . in Egypt).

Give or take a couple of thousand Km.

Look it up on a map, as my Belgian friends did the last time they visited and we were rolling through the night somewhere around Tenterfield. It was their calculation, not mine (and a trip they had apparently done).

BicycleCanberra 12:58 pm 17 Aug 11

Classified said :

Clearly, when people don’t obey the rules it means a major accident or death is imminent.

It is not a law to wear bicycle helmets in Holland( except in cycle races,which is a UCI requirement) and many other countries. Accidents are low, and the Netherlands has the safest roads in the world.

BicycleCanberra 12:25 pm 17 Aug 11

shadow boxer said :

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Again you are failing to understand that those of us the ride want ”better infrastructure” it has nothing to do with you and your car!

shadow boxer 11:55 am 17 Aug 11

KB1971 said :

shadow boxer said :

BicycleCanberra said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

It doesn’t work for everyone and you might not realise that maybe most of the people who are driving cars to and from work have a very good reason for it – dropping kids off to distant school, needing to travel during the day from job site to job site, not being allowed to get their work uniform wet on rainy days, needing to pick up kids from school if they become ill during the day..etc, etc.
Cycling was invented to make walking redundant, cars were invented to make cycling redundant.

They also have tradesman in Holland would you believe they have virtually everything we have including major highways, so tradesman use there vans and most people have cars.
Most children cycle to school independently from 8 years old which the most of us use to do when we were going to school here in Canberra. Now we have ‘drive thru’ schools and are congested during drop off and pick up times. Making school zones very dangerous for Children.
Instead of driving to the local shops or the park why not ride your bike.Cars do not make the bicycles redundant they just make us fat.

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Yep & that’s your choice. All Bicycle Canberra is trying to point out is the you canthink outside of the box if you try.

There is a bloke who commutes & takes his kid in a trailer on Adelaide Ave (that’s another story) so it can be done if you try and it suits.

No one is trying to say that cars should be banned altogether as they are required but where people could, they should try something different to help reduce the road congestion that everybody keeps whinging about.

Too often people just dismiss things without even trying. Man we are getting lazy.

Yeh see again you come from a position that in a perfect world cars are a bad thing and everyone that could would ride. Therefore inconveniencing the majority in support of bikes is o.k. because we need to get to that flawed end point.

It is a false starting point that makes the rest of your arguments invalid. The vast majority of people have no interest in riding but are happy to support those that do provided you don’t screw over our commutes in the process. This doesn’t make them lazy, it just means they don’t share the same enthusiasm you do.

KB1971 11:39 am 17 Aug 11

shadow boxer said :

BicycleCanberra said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

It doesn’t work for everyone and you might not realise that maybe most of the people who are driving cars to and from work have a very good reason for it – dropping kids off to distant school, needing to travel during the day from job site to job site, not being allowed to get their work uniform wet on rainy days, needing to pick up kids from school if they become ill during the day..etc, etc.
Cycling was invented to make walking redundant, cars were invented to make cycling redundant.

They also have tradesman in Holland would you believe they have virtually everything we have including major highways, so tradesman use there vans and most people have cars.
Most children cycle to school independently from 8 years old which the most of us use to do when we were going to school here in Canberra. Now we have ‘drive thru’ schools and are congested during drop off and pick up times. Making school zones very dangerous for Children.
Instead of driving to the local shops or the park why not ride your bike.Cars do not make the bicycles redundant they just make us fat.

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

Yep & that’s your choice. All Bicycle Canberra is trying to point out is the you canthink outside of the box if you try.

There is a bloke who commutes & takes his kid in a trailer on Adelaide Ave (that’s another story) so it can be done if you try and it suits.

No one is trying to say that cars should be banned altogether as they are required but where people could, they should try something different to help reduce the road congestion that everybody keeps whinging about.

Too often people just dismiss things without even trying. Man we are getting lazy.

KB1971 11:32 am 17 Aug 11

Jungle Jim said :

KB1971 said :

Takes me 30 minutes toget to Woden from Lanyon. My half way mark is the southern most entrance to Beazley street from Athllon Dve.

How can the half way mark between Woden and Lanyon be Beasley Street (I assume Farrer)?

Google maps has the distance between Callam St and Box Hill Ave as 15.4km by Athllon and it’s only about 3km to Beasley…

A) google maps is not 100% accurate and also doesn’t take into account that I am using the cycle paths.
B) Lanyon is the general area I leave from, I am a little south of the shops (2km) Taking into account that the cycle paths are a bit longer and I live further south, that makes Beaseley St the middle. More than one cycle computer has confirmed this.

shadow boxer 10:39 am 17 Aug 11

BicycleCanberra said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

It doesn’t work for everyone and you might not realise that maybe most of the people who are driving cars to and from work have a very good reason for it – dropping kids off to distant school, needing to travel during the day from job site to job site, not being allowed to get their work uniform wet on rainy days, needing to pick up kids from school if they become ill during the day..etc, etc.
Cycling was invented to make walking redundant, cars were invented to make cycling redundant.

They also have tradesman in Holland would you believe they have virtually everything we have including major highways, so tradesman use there vans and most people have cars.
Most children cycle to school independently from 8 years old which the most of us use to do when we were going to school here in Canberra. Now we have ‘drive thru’ schools and are congested during drop off and pick up times. Making school zones very dangerous for Children.
Instead of driving to the local shops or the park why not ride your bike.Cars do not make the bicycles redundant they just make us fat.

Again, and I know you are struggling to compute this concept, most of us have no interest in riding a bike and prefer to pursue the exercise regime of our choice at a time that suits.

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