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Hunting the Holt rapists

By johnboy 17 September 2012 79

ACT Policing’s Criminal Investigations is investigating a sexual assault which occurred on Saturday evening (September 15) in Holt.

About 5.30pm, a 16-year-old girl was running along Spofforth Street in Holt, listening to music via her earphones, when she was grabbed from behind and dragged into a Ford Falcon sedan, possibly metallic blue in colour, by two men.

After the girl was sexually assaulted by one of the men, she was driven to a car park near the Kippax Playing Fields and released. The girl notified her partner and guardian who in turn contacted police.

The three males involved were described as Caucasian, 18-25 years old with Australian accents.

Detective Superintendent Brett McCann from ACT Policing Criminal Investigations said incidents like this are extremely rare in Canberra and police have committed a range of resources to finding these offenders.

“An incident like this is traumatic to the victim and her family, and is totally unacceptable to our community,” Detective Superintendent McCann said.

“We are urging anyone who may know those involved in this crime, or knows someone matching the description of the offenders to contact Crime Stoppers or police.”

One male is described as having a large build, short blond hair, blue/green eyes, with stubble facial hair. He was wearing light blue denim jeans, a blue/green jumper with white cuffs on the sleeves and white writing on the front.

The driver was described as having a husky voice, dark coloured hair with shaved sides and a mohawk, clean shaven and wearing a dark top.

The front passenger was described as having a light brown short hair with freckles on the back of his neck. He was wearing a black long sleeve Adidas jumper with white stripes down the arms.

ACT Policing is urging anyone with information or who may have witnessed the incident to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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Lookout Smithers 3:11 pm 30 Sep 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Walker, people have been calling for harsher sentences forever but nothing changes. Infact, things seem to be getting more lenient for them

People don’t decide the severity of sentences. Calling for tougher sentences isn’t worth even considering or it would have been considered. It doesn’t improve the system at all or make the world any safer. If every time we called for something and had our wishes granted, we would end up with a whole system full of yes men………………..oh wait. The more astute leader will try and shape public concern instead of just responding to it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:19 pm 30 Sep 12

Walker, people have been calling for harsher sentences forever but nothing changes. Infact, things seem to be getting more lenient for them

Lookout Smithers 8:05 am 30 Sep 12

johnboy said :

What we’re talking about here is a crime.

If it was widespread one would imagine that, just once, someone would see who the girl left the bar with and the police would find his supply.

Just once the chemist who filled the prescription would see their customer in a bar with a girl out on her feet and tell someone.

Just the once.

I’m not saying it’s never happened.

I am saying if it was widespread I would expect someone would have been caught.

It’s far from being a perfect crime, and unlikely to be performed by criminal geniuses.

JB, You are not accounting for the supply of such things via anywhere else other than at a pharmacy, (where the young pharmacist would be eyeballing anyone with a script for a potential substance of abuse) , which may well happen every day but a prescription for meds is more often than not, just that. Black market isn’t mentioned here and would seem the more likely place to lay blame. Again JB I like your site and you write intelligently but for your ability to see things in a very negative absolute. The poor pharmacist cops a harsh assessment here.

del 5:56 pm 24 Sep 12

Hi all, I just wanted to say thank you for your support. This week police will be releasing a comfit of at least one of the offenders. Please keep an eye out. Canberra is a small town. Thank you

Walker 8:13 pm 22 Sep 12

I’m in no way naive about the effects of assault. I’ve seen it far too often in society and it’s a problem we keep failing on, the effects both social and economic (as some people must only use the dollar to measure anything) are incredible. As some say, the effects on relationships, everything, it’s just painful bad news any way you cut it. Like most folks, these things fire me up immensely.

I think we need to give a fair consideration on some sides to this. Those that say these men are lost souls in need of help etc, DO have a point. Those that question how they were raised, as far as that’s possible to apply also have a point (but we can’t blame the parents entirely and in every case). And we do need to look at our society and what it believes in, what gives us meaning, and so on.

To those that say rape is typically a dark alley business and it’s too bad a person can’t walk the streets in broad daylight, I say this: you now know, as you all should have to begin with, that this could happen and that some people don’t give a damn the circumstances, nor does the time of day etc make it any more right or wrong. I would give them the same charge if it were in any other circumstance – even though we try to account for our safety and circumstance generally, granted she wasn’t behind mooseheads on a sunday morning or whatever.

To those that say people should show some communal coherence against assault, may I remind you that some of us, at least, do care, a case on this site somewhere where some people intervened. Hope not lost there, entirely, yet.

So what are we doing here. We’re taking one view, which has merit, and exclusively juxtaposing it against another view, which also has merit (eg not to hang around drunken dark alleys etc, the right to walk the streets in broad daylight, vs the fact that they were bastards either way). Let’s get past that bit. What are we left with.

A rusty spoon. Got one right here. Left it in the garden to make sure it’s infected.

I can’t say I’m for that, but I do feel that punishments so far have been ridiculously lenient. It’s not a deterrant enough. To my mind, it should be considered closer to murder because you’re killing off years off of someone’s quality of life and displaying a blatant disregard for other humans that is NOT befitting of someone belonging to society, even on the periphery of it.

Put it this way. If we do “rusty spoon” them (here’s one I prepared a few years ago), will we also be able to stockade them in public for a time to really make sure that everyone gets the message? At least that, instead of just forgetting they ever existed, otherwise how is it a deterrent.

Finally, to those that reckon they’d go out of their way to kill or main these people if it happened to their own, I say this. Once you get there, you don’t know what the bleep to do. But in the end you realise, if you act on those thoughts, you’re the one going to prison (as unfair as that is), and you can’t do that. You gotta be there for your own. Yet, it’s little consolation…

But you will prevail. Hold fast. Don’t quit. Get help. Stand by your family. You’re better than those bastards and you better remember that.

Seems a little trite now I guess, as I think back to what I’ve experienced, and what I imagine others might be now. But all the same.

In summary I think we should punish but also prevent, as well as look at how we treat offenders, yes we do need to punish them and so on but we must also consider if we’re just prepping them to come out of prison worse off than before, does that endanger us further, is that what we want? Also, a few offenders have been known to make a complete turnaround. No mistake, they must pay and probably keep paying ever after if they can come to grips with what they’ve done… but if they can truly turn around, and pay, well can we accept that? (Hard to consider in this case, granted).

Riotact, how about a members backed push to have the courts quit screwing around with this stuff and show us they’re serious? (And maybe encourage better education and so forth, there’s no reason to work on prevention as well).

I feel we could put all this communal energy somewhere.

Sure, we could lynch the worst offender of the decade, that could be a deterrent. But you and I know that ain’t gonna fly. We have to do something else.

(Believe me, I’ve thought about all this, a lot. And then some. It ain’t easy and there’s a lot of angles on it. So I put it to the floor now, in more practical terms, what can we as a society do and where do I sign…)

What do you say, riotact…

another glass of moloko?

What’ll it be…

I need something more than the usual rounds of disgusted backlash. There must be something more.

I wish I could say, sure, if this happened to one of mine, I’d kill ’em all. I wish I could say that on some level or other. But it just don’t work that way these days.

I would be for now content enough to see to it that these guys get a real sentence. They were brazen, let them have it. They seem easily identifiable I suspect it’s a matter of time…

… so again, where do I sign up? Where can we make a noise about this if they get a slap on the wrist?

bundah 12:21 pm 22 Sep 12

poetix said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

What would you give them? A counselling session and a ride in a hot car to make them feel better? I’d say ten years in jail is more appropriate.

Oh, Poetix. WWJD? Surely the Christian thing would be to judge them not, and forgive them.

Just forgiveness, mind. We’re not going to give them a personal high five from God for raping young girls like the good ol’ Old Testament days (Num 31:18, 25-27) or make them fork over 50c and marry her (Deut:22; 28-29). We certainly won’t stone her for not screaming loud enough. Or is Holt the countryside rather than the city? We are the ‘bush capital’, after all. In that case we can totally kill the guys, but not her. Oh, hang on – we’re still in the OT – my bad.

So yeah, New Testament, it’s definitely all about forgiveness. (God wasn’t wrong about all that other stuff. He just changed His mind. Nothing arbitrary about Christian morality, no sir.) I mean, if they hadn’t honoured their mothers and fathers, JC says we can put them to death (Matthew 15:4). Not sure why, but that made him seriously cranky. Maybe because his dad is, like, Cthulhu, or something (I’m a bit fuzzy on this – maybe it’s Odin), so there’d be consequences for not taking out the recycling bin on Tuesday. But raping sounds more like a ‘live and let live’ thing, don’t you think?

No, it does not. It is a serious crime, something that your irrelevant and ill-informed ramblings would tend to occlude.

WTF has religion got to do with sexual assault? Absolutely farking nothing but since you have drawn reference to it i would gladly sentence them to a very lengthy term of imprisonment as penance for their sins.

poetix 11:51 am 22 Sep 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

What would you give them? A counselling session and a ride in a hot car to make them feel better? I’d say ten years in jail is more appropriate.

Oh, Poetix. WWJD? Surely the Christian thing would be to judge them not, and forgive them.

Just forgiveness, mind. We’re not going to give them a personal high five from God for raping young girls like the good ol’ Old Testament days (Num 31:18, 25-27) or make them fork over 50c and marry her (Deut:22; 28-29). We certainly won’t stone her for not screaming loud enough. Or is Holt the countryside rather than the city? We are the ‘bush capital’, after all. In that case we can totally kill the guys, but not her. Oh, hang on – we’re still in the OT – my bad.

So yeah, New Testament, it’s definitely all about forgiveness. (God wasn’t wrong about all that other stuff. He just changed His mind. Nothing arbitrary about Christian morality, no sir.) I mean, if they hadn’t honoured their mothers and fathers, JC says we can put them to death (Matthew 15:4). Not sure why, but that made him seriously cranky. Maybe because his dad is, like, Cthulhu, or something (I’m a bit fuzzy on this – maybe it’s Odin), so there’d be consequences for not taking out the recycling bin on Tuesday. But raping sounds more like a ‘live and let live’ thing, don’t you think?

No, it does not. It is a serious crime, something that your irrelevant and ill-informed ramblings would tend to occlude.

Woody Mann-Caruso 11:05 am 22 Sep 12

What would you give them? A counselling session and a ride in a hot car to make them feel better? I’d say ten years in jail is more appropriate.

Oh, Poetix. WWJD? Surely the Christian thing would be to judge them not, and forgive them.

Just forgiveness, mind. We’re not going to give them a personal high five from God for raping young girls like the good ol’ Old Testament days (Num 31:18, 25-27) or make them fork over 50c and marry her (Deut:22; 28-29). We certainly won’t stone her for not screaming loud enough. Or is Holt the countryside rather than the city? We are the ‘bush capital’, after all. In that case we can totally kill the guys, but not her. Oh, hang on – we’re still in the OT – my bad.

So yeah, New Testament, it’s definitely all about forgiveness. (God wasn’t wrong about all that other stuff. He just changed His mind. Nothing arbitrary about Christian morality, no sir.) I mean, if they hadn’t honoured their mothers and fathers, JC says we can put them to death (Matthew 15:4). Not sure why, but that made him seriously cranky. Maybe because his dad is, like, Cthulhu, or something (I’m a bit fuzzy on this – maybe it’s Odin), so there’d be consequences for not taking out the recycling bin on Tuesday. But raping sounds more like a ‘live and let live’ thing, don’t you think?

scorpio63 11:44 pm 21 Sep 12

I had heard that the photofits have been done, yet not viewed these. Are you able to post these Johnboy at some stage?

kakosi 6:15 pm 19 Sep 12

LSWCHP said :

kakosi said :

Some men rape, most do not. It would help if the punishment for rape wasn’t so very pathetic. If the victim isn’t gang raped or beaten to a pulp they have little or no chance of winning a court case.

Most of the time police recommend victims don’t go to court because they can’t “prove” anything. People would be very surprised how many women around them had been raped at some point in their lives.

Agreed. I’ve known two rape victims, one of whom became pregnant and had an abortion. Neither of them reported it because they felt it would result in further pain with no gain.

In my circle of five girlfriends, three have been raped and not gone further than discussing it with police. One by a stranger in a car park, one by an ex-boyfriend, and the third by her father while she was a child. In each case the burden of proof is on the victim and in each case the victim decided it wasn’t worth loosing and being publicly “shamed” in court.

rhavinmad 4:35 pm 19 Sep 12

Castration with a blunt spoon and a tattoo of RAPIST on their forehead before they Holiday in the AMC.

If this ever happened to any of my daughters…

DJ Mac 11:56 am 19 Sep 12

Actually I do think we as a society still have to take some blame for the behaviour of some of these idiots. The people who say to victims of assualts “What were you doing THERE? What do you expect?” “Why were you wearing that? You were asking for it?” “Why were you drinking in public?” All the blaming the victim – Rape is about power not about sex – PEOPLE REALLY!

I know a woman who was raped wearing a pair of jeans, an old sweatshirt, walking home after dropping her kids at school. Even SHE had people ask her “What did you do to attract the attention? You must have done SOMETHING to bring it on” the one that P*ssed me off “If you had fought back harder it wouldn’t have happened” WTF she was grabbed from behind by two guys! All she could think about was surviving it and getting back to her kids safely!

And the attitude that guys are given that they can “push it a little” and they will “get what they want”. That relationships aren’t important but sex is… and that a woman sitting in a bar having a drink is “obviously looking for it”

I have a friend who counsels offenders and often these guys give all sorts of excuses about why it was the woman’s fault, why she “wanted it”, why all “girls like that are just looking for it and cry rape when it gets a little rough”. Interestingly she says the one thing that can reach most of these guys is questions along the line of “What would you do if someone did that to your sister/mother/aunt?” They all say that would bash the guy or kill him and then she asks “So why did you do it to someone else’s sister/mother/aunt? And what do you think their family wants to do to you right now?” Society allows them to think of women who are outside their social networks as not human or somehow not “worthy” of decent treatment. THAT is the kind of thinking we need to address.

greyswandir 10:43 am 19 Sep 12

Flossie said :

I have two adult children, one boy and one girl. I have explicitly talked to my daughter about risk minimisation. Things like: don’t go out to civic alone or stay there after your friends have left. Don’t drink so much that you no longer know what you are doing. Never leave with someone unless someone knows who you have gone with. I have also explicitly told her that no matter what she does, nobody has the right to assault her, that that would never be her fault. But the reality of the world in which we live is that responsible people take reasonable steps to mitigate risk.

But it occurs to me that while I have spoken to my son about risk minimisation: don’t get into fights, don’t drink so much you don’t know what you are doing, never get in the car with a driver who has been drinking etc, I have never actually explicitly talked to him about consent. Never explicitly said “don’t be a rapist”. I have just assumed that he knows these things, because to me they are self evident.

I am going to talk to him when he gets off work today. If he already knows it, gets it, then no harm no foul. If he doesn’t, he will now.

This x a million.

It’s not enough to just say to women* “don’t get raped” – if a rapist decides to rape someone it means f-all what their victim does. It’s important to say “Don’t be a rapist” to men* as well. Maybe it seems obvious but obtaining informed, continuous consent is difficult in a situation where lots of alcohol is involved and appears to elude many young people.

*obviously both of these go for both genders but the overwhelming majority of ‘don’t get raped’ messages are aimed at young women – at least in my experience

bundah 10:24 am 19 Sep 12

The term sexual assault is generic as it includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration), inappropriate touching, forced kissing etc. We don’t know what exactly the young female was subjected to by these animals but nonetheless it must have been horrific.

What i find both disturbing and revolting is that in the US,according to wikipedia, approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters and uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbors; strangers are the offenders in approximately 10% of child sexual abuse cases.If these statistics in any way reflect what occurs in this country then we have a massive problem that needs to be tackled by all levels of society.

thumper109 9:02 am 19 Sep 12

Physical castration and Penectomy.. Mandatory. I think these young guys might think twice if they know they loss anything they hold dear if they are caught…. Also less chance of re-offending.

Flossie 8:15 am 19 Sep 12

I have absolutely no sympathy for the perpetrators of rape. They are abysmal excuses for humanity that deserve punishment.

It is illogical to blame “society” for these crimes when the vast majority of people in the same society, even from the same backgrounds, are NOT rapists. There is something about these individual guys that lets them do this and still sleep well at night.

But. If we were to make the death penalty the punishment for rape, then I think we would still have as many rapes but they would end in murder not release. If a rapist has NOTHING to lose, why wouldn’t he do away with his witness?

(not to mention that there is no deterant value to the death penalty, serious crimes increase in states in the US that have it. It is also more expensive than housing these pieces of excrement for the term of their natural life. And it’s savagery, don’t get me wrong, I am not apologizing for these subhumans, some deserve to be away from civilization forever, but really, state sanctioned murder? That’s how we want to solve this?)

Oh and to the person who talked about multiculturalism being a factor. My rapists were white Aussies. The few friends of mine who have been through being raped, we’re raped by white Aussies. Your argument lacks an evidentiary basis.

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