In defence of the Seears

johnboy 10 February 2007 41

New subscriber Boxy has leapt to the defence of the Seears Brothers while having a go at Simto’s knowledge of Bikies.

To Le Suede.Typical know all d*ckhead gobbin off with a load of crap without knowing jack about the facts.The disabled young man who’s bike was stolen reported it to the ACT’s finest over a week before his father and uncle stepped in and retrieved it about a day later.If you ever have something pinched it might be a good idea to ring the Seears boys when the cops fail to help.No wonder only 40% of Canberrans have faith in a police service that just doesn’t give a rat’s about a disabled kid without much money.

Comment by Boxy — 10 February, 2007 @ 1:33 pm

To Simto
And just what the f–k would you know about Bikies f–kwit

Comment by Boxy — 10 February, 2007 @ 1:40 pm

So there you go then.

UPDATED: No, wait, Boxy’s had a think about it and has some advice for Bonfire too:

To Bonfire,
Yeah you’d be the kind of f–ken hero who would bravely look straight past the pain in your kid.s eyes and stick your chest out and say “i’ve rang the police son i.m sure they will come and see us about it one day,that.s the best i can do”.A bit of ticker trouble eh c–t? I’m sure your kid’s gunna love the cops when he grows up.Why because his brave daddy lead him to beleive they would bring his toys back.When they walk you should show ya kid your not really the whimp he thinks you are and go give these lawless thugs a piece of your mind.(oops sorry superhero forgot about the ticker problem )

Comment by Boxy — 10 February, 2007 @ 2:23 pm


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Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 7:55 pm 12 Feb 07

Tool –
I make an effort to wear pants when dealing with officers of the law.
I refuse to do anything more.

smack smack 7:09 pm 12 Feb 07

You are right on that one seepi!

bigred bigred 6:41 pm 12 Feb 07

Vg and Smack well spotted. I have to plead “mea culpa” on the fireworks report. It was the tone/attitude of the operator, not a direct quote. I should really learn to proof read before I push the “go” button.

simto simto 4:09 pm 12 Feb 07

I will point out that some of the odours in the air at Gus’ have suggested the possibility of illegal activity going on (and no, I’m not talking about the odours of the food…)

seepi seepi 3:24 pm 12 Feb 07

Police shouldnt’ be so underresourced tht they can only deal with crimes in progress. (And only serious ones of those.)

Hasdrubahl Hasdrubahl 3:12 pm 12 Feb 07

Well all the guns etc made the waitress a bit nervous and she did spill some of my coffee…

Special G Special G 3:05 pm 12 Feb 07

See what your seeing there is a prime example of the new strategy to prevent crime by high visability Policing. I bet you didn’t see anything happen at Gus’s while they were there.

Hasdrubahl Hasdrubahl 10:06 am 12 Feb 07

Closest I’ve ever been to the cops here was Friday morning, four of them (uniformed) enjoying a looong coffee break at Gus’s.
-No doubt it was a legitimate break, or maybe stress leave.

smack smack 9:28 am 12 Feb 07

seepi

You get home from work, find there has been a burglary at your house. You ring up and report a burglary and I ring up and report a car doing burnouts, who should the Police go to first. I dont think anyone would argue that your burglary is more serious, but a burglary is not really time critical. That is to say there are no offenders still there and nothing more is going to get stolen. Do the Police go to the burglary or to the car doing burnouts?

At least if the Police go to the burnout they might catch the offenders, even if it is minor thing compared to a burglary.

seepi seepi 8:47 am 12 Feb 07

It would be nice if there were enough police to attend minor break-ins/damage etc, on quiet days, and perhaps not if really busy with serious crime.

Letters to the editor have reported that after serious burglaries the occupants are required to stay in the property but not touch anything – people have been left wait half the day amongst their ruined possessions until the police turned up.

The fact that Canberra police can’t attend except for violent domestics etc, suggests that they are stretched very very thin. If I wanted to commit a crime in Canberra all I’d have to do it wait for some other serious event to occur (or arrival of a dignitary with police cavalcade), and commit crime at will – all the police would be busy.

Thumper Thumper 8:11 am 12 Feb 07

I’v ehad no problems with locals coppers. Violent domestic? They were there in seconds it seemed and dealt with the situation superbly. A suicide attempt when I rang them and said I’m going to break into this house, go ahead they said, we’ll call an ambulance.

Bogan kids drag racing down my street. I don’t know what their penalty was when they realised they couldn’t get otu of the street due to a police car blocking it.

As well, let off a speeding fine one beautiful morning whilst riding to work early. I simply said, ‘no sir, no reason for speeding, just a beautiful day.’ And I got let off with a warning.

I think they do a pretty good job given the under resourcing, the over relience on copious amounts of paperwork, and the apparent attitude shown towards them by the ACT local courts (who seem to think it is the police who are victimising the criminals by arresting them)

I’d give them a B on a report card. Not perfect, but pretty good.

smack smack 11:15 pm 11 Feb 07

Bigred,

Thanks for the response. I’m with VG on the “not interested”, I doubt that was the wording used. As for the “male person jump neighbor’s fence and enter house through vacant rear window”, was that the only question that was asked or was it one of a few to determine if there was someone breaking in and not a legitimate reason for the person going through the window.

Another point and take it how you want. As I understand, most of the people who answer the phone when you call Police aren’t Police officers.

The next bit is my opinion /observation and is not directed at anyone.

A few years ago whilst living in another state, I woke to find my letterbox smashed up and skid marks on the road and grass. I called the Police and they arrived about an hour later. They had a look at the letterbox, came inside, made small talk, took the report and gave me a Police number to quote for insurance. The Police were there for about 30 minutes. A further 2 hours after, the forensic police officer turned up took photos and skid mark impression, and had a chat with me. He was there for about 40 minutes. I felt like the Police had done something, all for my $120 letterbox.

Here in Canberra, I woke to find some minor damage to my house. I called Police and was asked a few minor questions such as, “Are the offenders there now”, “When did this happen”, “Do I know who did this”. It happened sometime over night and I had no idea who had done this. I asked when Police would be attending and I was told a report would be taken over the phone and I was given a Police number to quote for insurance.

Two similar situations with the same outcome, I got a Police number for insurance purposes. In both situations there was no real evidence, and short of time travel there was nothing that would lead Police to an offender. So did I really need Police attend to have a look at my letter box? Should I really expect Police to attend to my minor matter just so I feel better? Was a quick report over the phone a better way that didn’t tie up so much Police time?

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that most of us have very little to do with Police and when we do it’s something minor yet we all want a CSI investigation to occur. Maybe some of us need to be realistic about what Police (in any state) can / should do.

Also, unlike the Sears, the Police have rules and laws which they must obey. I’m sure there have been plenty of times where the Police have known who the offenders are but don’t have the evidence, so they can’t arrest them.

vg vg 8:32 pm 11 Feb 07

Red

I very much doubt the words used in your phone call re the crackers was ‘not interested’.

I gather they also didn’t appreciate being told how to do their job re the disabled parking, but I gather what would have actually been done prior to the booking would be to check if that vehicle had a valid disabled pass if it wasn’t displayed. If it did but wasn’t displayed it would be more than reasonable not to book it.

I’m not trying explain away a perception of poor service, but quite regularly there is far more behind the scenes than is apparent.

What happened after you were asked if you would like Police attendance. Did you say yes, and did they then turn up. Was it simply a silly question or was there some sort of result.

Lets not forget the ACT Government are the ones that pay for policing in the ACT. If people want to see more Police the ACT Govt will have to shell out more for them (and possibly spare us an arboretum or a trip or 2 to India for a CM and his friends). I would have hoped that law and order would be priority #1 for this govt. If you think it is there’s not much point directing your angst towards the copppers. They are doing what they can with what they have, and priorities Police have may not be the same as yours.

Direct it towards the ACT Govt who direct the activities and numbers of Police through the publicly available Purchase Agreement.

Personal not professional opinion as well (there’s a reason for that continual caveat)

tuggers tuggers 8:27 pm 11 Feb 07

Boxy: it’s illegal to ride monkey bikes on public land and even if it wasn’t it’d be stupid to ride any bike anywhere in shorts & thongs only. Stealing Seears’ sons bike was wrong in the first place but stealing it back is just as bad is worse. The report about the invasion said Seears son is 26 and deaf, it didn’t say he is a kid. So three grown men invade & threaten to kneecap a guy they think stole the bike as well as the poor mug who bought the illegal bike, possibly after seeing an ad for it. That’s not how Robin Hood worked, thats a standover, but you say thats OK. Whats your connection with this thing?

Ingeegoodbee Ingeegoodbee 7:34 pm 11 Feb 07

I couldn’t say that I’ve had too bad a run with the local plods. Half a dozen points of contact over say fifteen years since I came to Canberra with the majority of them good ones.

Memorable for the exemplary response of the AFP was the time my little (at the time) 18 month old boy went for a wander early one Sunday morning – the police, and I’m guessing this could have been at the end of a night shift, set up a search, had an officer dedicated to being with my very distressed partner and had the little guy back home within 45 minutes. Faultless.

Memorable for their indifference … the time I finally had the shits with our local junkie for passing out at the wheel of his shit-box Corona, after shooting up, in the entry to our car park at work (not the first time). The plods seemed casually indifferent to details like the guys name, description, vehicle and rego, dates that this behavior had previously been reported … eventually the prick moved on … and the response to the fact that a drugged up junkie was now loose on our roads “Yeah, well you get that … I would suggest that you keep off the roads for a while.”

I guess you win some and you lose some…

betty betty 6:38 pm 11 Feb 07

I have had a few dealings with the cops, reporting a couple of dumped cars, one particularly violent neighbourhood domestic, and having to call for help from a phone booth when some idiot and his mates had decided to mount the kerb and trap me inside with their car.

In the latter incident, the police arrived within 1 minute, sirens blaring, ‘rescued’ me and escorted me home before dealing with the idiots who apparently were quite well known to them.

Unfortunately for me I lived alone at the time (female, early 20’s) and the police informed me that the idiots lived two doors away. Not only did the police check up on me with phone calls over the following weeks, but they made 4 or 5 visits to check that I was ok, and made their presence felt to my ‘lovely’ neighbours.

I could not fault their response, and I believe that they went well out of their way to try and keep me safe.

In the other matters, I have always received follow up phone calls etc, and have found those I have dealt with to be very courteous and professional.

Growling Ferret Growling Ferret 4:40 pm 11 Feb 07

Big

The one time I called the AFP in the last 5 years they were there within 2 minutes, and had 2 patrols checking out the scene. I was happy with their response…

bigred bigred 4:09 pm 11 Feb 07

Smack, unfortunately from personal experience. Afraid I don’t have recent interstate experience to draw comparison from. But, for a professionally employed, peaceful and law abiding person I should be the type who rarely has any experience of Canberra’s finest. Alas, it aint so!

I’ll share a few experiences to illustrate my views. First, witnessed a hit run incident in Dickson one Saturday night. Did the “make safe” thing for the victim and called for help. The victim recovered pretty quickly but the attending police weren’t interested in statements or even taking my ID just in case it became an issue later, ie victim attends hospital later.

Driving down Ginninderra Drive one Saturday, some fools were dropping fireworks from the overbridge. Scared the daylights out of me. Thought that some old dear would freak and end up against a tree or post if happened to her. Rang plod. Response: “not interested”.

Neighbour and self saw a male person jump neighbour’s fence and enter house through vacant rear window. Rang plod. Question: “would you like police attendance?”

During Summernats noticed police booking cars for parking across driveways in Dickson eateries area. Thought “goodonyas” and politely suggested they also book 4WD parked in disabled zone without disabled sticker. No answer given and no ticket on 4WD.

I have plenty more. And people wonder why I think the average Canberran is on their own as far as crime and public safety go. Ultimately, if people don’t have the confidence in their police/public safety they will behave differently in their community, which is why the Sears Bros did what the did (which I do not condone).

Tool Tool 2:43 pm 11 Feb 07

Sorry deadman, didn’t realise I needed to spell out my sarcasm. Have you ever thought that the reason the cops are so ‘prickly and stressed’ might have something to do with you?

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 2:33 pm 11 Feb 07

Tool, you are just that. I’m not even going to begin on the corruption of the advances in our society that you are suggesting.
We need, apparently, more cops – more that can do their jobs properly, respecting the rights of every civilian whilst making sure lawbreakers are brought before the courts at the same time. And more to stop the current cops being so bloody stressed and prickly every time you have to deal with them.

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