Macgregor grow house goes down

johnboy 16 December 2013 49
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ACT Policing executed a warrant in Macgregor on Sunday (December 15) seizing approximately $230 000 in cash and more than 80 Cannabis plants.

These arrests are part of an eight month investigation in which detectives from Criminal Investigation’s Drug and Organised Crime Team had been observing illicit drug dealing activities of a known drug person of interest.

Police believe one of the men is a major supplier of cannabis in the Canberra region.

During their investigation police witnessed two men meet briefly at a house in Macgregor yesterday.

After one man left the premises, police conducted a traffic stop on his vehicle seizing over two kilos of cannabis. Police then arrested the 64-year-old Scullin man and charged him with trafficking in cannabis.

Shortly after, a 43-year-old Dunlop man left the premises and another traffic stop was conducted and police seized approximately $230 000 cash from the vehicle.

Police executed a search warrant at the Macgregor premises and received information which indicated the house next door was a grow house. Police executed another search warrant on the house next door and located more than 80 cannabis plants at the house.

The 43-year-old man was then arrested and charged with trafficking in cannabis and Receive/Possess Proceeds of Crime.

Police will be opposing bail for both men and they will face the ACT Magistrates Court this afternoon (Monday, December 16).

Anyone with information regarding illicit drug dealing in the community is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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rhino rhino 12:55 pm 18 Dec 13

PBO said :

rhino said :

Tymefor said :

What are these negatives? Nobody has ever died from marijuana. Toilets have killed more people.

I’m going to stop you right there:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442411/Brazilian-man-crushed-death-weed-cannabis-trafficking-chase.html

There has been one death directly attributed to marijuana but not through use.

Otherwise, it is relatively harmless.

That is attributable to marijuana being illegal. If it wasn’t illegal, that death would not have occurred.

PBO PBO 11:52 am 18 Dec 13

rhino said :

Tymefor said :

What are these negatives? Nobody has ever died from marijuana. Toilets have killed more people.

I’m going to stop you right there:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442411/Brazilian-man-crushed-death-weed-cannabis-trafficking-chase.html

There has been one death directly attributed to marijuana but not through use.

Otherwise, it is relatively harmless.

Deref Deref 10:24 am 18 Dec 13

MrBigEars said :

Perhaps if there was a way to stop f***wits being f***wits, we could move on as a society.

That’d certainly be the ultimate solution.

Drugs are bad, mkay? But the vast majority of the problems attributed to drugs are the direct result of prohibition, not of drugs. The prohibitionists probably think that banning drugs is the best way to deal with the problem, though, if so, you can only shake your head at their (wilful?) blindness to the overwhelming evidence.

MrBigEars MrBigEars 9:59 am 18 Dec 13

rhino said :

Tymefor said :

while agree on most of the points in the pro legalisation debate. I feel, as a community, we already pay for the negative side of alcohol abuse. Abuse of alcohol can lead to hospitalization, violence, both domestic and public, more dangerous roads and increases in crime. Marijuana use would be abused aswell.

so considering we already pay for one drug, why should we pay for another?

Especially when, unlike alchohol, marijuana is not enjoyed and used safely by the majority of the community.

Are you trolling?

Prohibition showed us that banning alcohol did more harm than good. Yes alcohol is quite bad for us in a sense, but it’s less bad than prohibition.

As for abusing marijuana, what would that entail? Most likely sitting peacefully in front of the tv or computer or eating something quietly at home. The studies and research all show that marijuana is vastly less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. Plus the idea that it can’t be abused because it is illegal is also false. It’s just that marijuana “abuse” doesn’t really exist in the way that alcohol abuse does.

And the idea that alcohol is “enjoyed safely by the majority of the community” is a bit of a stretch when the data shows that it’s far less safe than marijuana.

“National” Prohibition in the US was successful in that it reduced consumption of alchol, reduced alcohol related diseases, and reduced alcohol related crime in the jurisdictions where it was implemented.
However, people who still drank, drank unregulated hooch in unregulated speakeasys (easies?), thereby concentrating illicit wealth into the hands of a few of the many organised gangs, who went on to ruthlessly control the activities of the other gangs, which actually reduced organised crime).

I’m undecided about decriminalising marijuana, but I suspect the argument is more nuanced than drugs good/drugs bad.

Perhaps if there was a way to stop f***wits being f***wits, we could move on as a society.

rhino rhino 9:27 am 18 Dec 13

Tymefor said :

Are you trying to say there are no negatives to a community that allows the use of marijuana…..

of course there are!! what im trying to say is. I don’t want to have to contribute towards fixing those problems when I already contribute towards the problems from alchohol

What are these negatives? Nobody has ever died from marijuana. Toilets have killed more people.

Assuming there were negatives, they would exist today anyway because it’s not hard to get marijuana. So you already have that cost. On top of that cost today you also have policing costs, court costs, imprisonment costs, increased crime etc and reduced respect for the law etc. All of these vastly outweigh any costs of using marijuana (which are costs whether it’s legal or not).

Thumper Thumper 9:00 am 18 Dec 13

poetix said :

Thumper said :

I look forward to the legalising Laudanum once again…

Absinthe has been banned, and legalised, in quite recent times.  What the green fairy makes of being sold at Dan Murphy’s is another question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

I drink Absinthe regularly.

Every writer should, as Hemmingway clearly demonstrated 🙂

Alderney Alderney 7:43 am 18 Dec 13

Tymefor said :

rhino said :

Tymefor said :

while agree on most of the points in the pro legalisation debate. I feel, as a community, we already pay for the negative side of alcohol abuse. Abuse of alcohol can lead to hospitalization, violence, both domestic and public, more dangerous roads and increases in crime. Marijuana use would be abused aswell.

so considering we already pay for one drug, why should we pay for another?

Especially when, unlike alchohol, marijuana is not enjoyed and used safely by the majority of the community.

Are you trolling?

Prohibition showed us that banning alcohol did more harm than good. Yes alcohol is quite bad for us in a sense, but it’s less bad than prohibition.

As for abusing marijuana, what would that entail? Most likely sitting peacefully in front of the tv or computer or eating something quietly at home. The studies and research all show that marijuana is vastly less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. Plus the idea that it can’t be abused because it is illegal is also false. It’s just that marijuana “abuse” doesn’t really exist in the way that alcohol abuse does.

And the idea that alcohol is “enjoyed safely by the majority of the community” is a bit of a stretch when the data shows that it’s far less safe than marijuana.

Are you trying to say there are no negatives to a community that allows the use of marijuana…..

of course there are!! what im trying to say is. I don’t want to have to contribute towards fixing those problems when I already contribute towards the problems from alchohol

The basis sentiment of your argument Tymfor is sound however, you’re already paying for use of the drug through policing resources, courts, gaols etc. And probably a lot more than if it were a legal product. Moreover, its current status raises no revenue.

maxblues maxblues 4:24 am 18 Dec 13

poetix said :

Thumper said :

I look forward to the legalising Laudanum once again…

Absinthe has been banned, and legalised, in quite recent times.  What the green fairy makes of being sold at Dan Murphy’s is another question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

Dan Murphy (yes, the Dan Murphy) was a criminal who did time in Pentridge Prison.

poetix poetix 10:30 pm 17 Dec 13

Thumper said :

I look forward to the legalising Laudanum once again…

Absinthe has been banned, and legalised, in quite recent times.  What the green fairy makes of being sold at Dan Murphy’s is another question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

Blen_Carmichael Blen_Carmichael 9:27 pm 17 Dec 13

BimboGeek said :

American experience with native cactii also indicates that mescaline can be used responsibly and Native American spiritual practitioners strongly frown upon people who eat peyote “for fun” instead of as part of a spiritual ceremony.

There you have it. These spiritual practitioners don’t just frown upon people who eat peyote for fun, they “strongly frown” upon them. I suspect this deterrent may be effective for little would-be peyote papooses, but I’m thinking the adolescent/adults may be more inclined to tell the spiritual practitioner what he can do with his filthy look treatment.

Thumper Thumper 8:29 pm 17 Dec 13

I look forward to the legalising Laudanum once again…

Listers_Cat Listers_Cat 8:22 pm 17 Dec 13

Another successful small business killed by excessive regulations. Why isn’t Tony all over this? Plenty of red and green tape to cut here!

shauno shauno 6:29 pm 17 Dec 13

Drugs have only been ilegal for the last 100 years or so and for almost the entire history of the human race they were legal and guess what we still managed to develop technology and put a man on the moon lol.

MERC600 MERC600 5:31 pm 17 Dec 13

A nice single malt whisky , or whiskey, your choice, is much smoother on the throat.

Tymefor Tymefor 5:00 pm 17 Dec 13

rhino said :

Tymefor said :

while agree on most of the points in the pro legalisation debate. I feel, as a community, we already pay for the negative side of alcohol abuse. Abuse of alcohol can lead to hospitalization, violence, both domestic and public, more dangerous roads and increases in crime. Marijuana use would be abused aswell.

so considering we already pay for one drug, why should we pay for another?

Especially when, unlike alchohol, marijuana is not enjoyed and used safely by the majority of the community.

Are you trolling?

Prohibition showed us that banning alcohol did more harm than good. Yes alcohol is quite bad for us in a sense, but it’s less bad than prohibition.

As for abusing marijuana, what would that entail? Most likely sitting peacefully in front of the tv or computer or eating something quietly at home. The studies and research all show that marijuana is vastly less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. Plus the idea that it can’t be abused because it is illegal is also false. It’s just that marijuana “abuse” doesn’t really exist in the way that alcohol abuse does.

And the idea that alcohol is “enjoyed safely by the majority of the community” is a bit of a stretch when the data shows that it’s far less safe than marijuana.

Are you trying to say there are no negatives to a community that allows the use of marijuana…..

of course there are!! what im trying to say is. I don’t want to have to contribute towards fixing those problems when I already contribute towards the problems from alchohol

obamabinladen obamabinladen 3:52 pm 17 Dec 13

Why are illicit drugs illegal? I’m an adult I make my own decisions if I want to have a drink i’ll have a bloody drink, if I want a cigarette i’ll have a bloody cigarette, if I want to get high i’ll bloody well get high. Who am I hurting? Eating takeaway makes you fat so are we going to ban maccas?
Pain killers can be addictive are we going to ban pain meds?

Decriminalise drugs regulate the industry and use the tax to help put our economy back in the black!

BimboGeek BimboGeek 3:15 pm 17 Dec 13

Experience in Fiji and Jamaica shows us that kava and cannabis are no more likely to be abused than any other substance, that the community is well aware of the difference between occasional use and dangerous addictive use and that the latter is discouraged. Just as we have seen with alcohol, and to a lesser degree with tobacco which a small number of people do smoke only on weekends or when stressed for several years and then quit, although the cigarette is so far removed from its traditional mode of use that it’s a wonder anyone manages to achieve this!

American experience with native cactii also indicates that mescaline can be used responsibly and Native American spiritual practitioners strongly frown upon people who eat peyote “for fun” instead of as part of a spiritual ceremony. European use of hallucinogenic mushrooms similarly limits its acceptability to only very occasionally.

These substances are self-limiting in the damage they will cause because people are better at taking care of each other than the police and courts are at protecting us from our own childish impulses. They are also powerful medicines or spiritual aids if administered properly. Making them illegal is nothing but counter-productive.

rhino rhino 3:00 pm 17 Dec 13

Tymefor said :

while agree on most of the points in the pro legalisation debate. I feel, as a community, we already pay for the negative side of alcohol abuse. Abuse of alcohol can lead to hospitalization, violence, both domestic and public, more dangerous roads and increases in crime. Marijuana use would be abused aswell.

so considering we already pay for one drug, why should we pay for another?

Especially when, unlike alchohol, marijuana is not enjoyed and used safely by the majority of the community.

Are you trolling?

Prohibition showed us that banning alcohol did more harm than good. Yes alcohol is quite bad for us in a sense, but it’s less bad than prohibition.

As for abusing marijuana, what would that entail? Most likely sitting peacefully in front of the tv or computer or eating something quietly at home. The studies and research all show that marijuana is vastly less harmful than alcohol or cigarettes. Plus the idea that it can’t be abused because it is illegal is also false. It’s just that marijuana “abuse” doesn’t really exist in the way that alcohol abuse does.

And the idea that alcohol is “enjoyed safely by the majority of the community” is a bit of a stretch when the data shows that it’s far less safe than marijuana.

Tymefor Tymefor 2:29 pm 17 Dec 13

while agree on most of the points in the pro legalisation debate. I feel, as a community, we already pay for the negative side of alcohol abuse. Abuse of alcohol can lead to hospitalization, violence, both domestic and public, more dangerous roads and increases in crime. Marijuana use would be abused aswell.

so considering we already pay for one drug, why should we pay for another?

Especially when, unlike alchohol, marijuana is not enjoyed and used safely by the majority of the community.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 2:13 pm 17 Dec 13

Felix the Cat said :

So because drug taking is too hard to enforce and prohibition isn’t working we should legalise it?

No because it is morally, legally, and socially wrong, and counter productive, that is why.

Felix the Cat said :

Maybe we should legalise rape and murder while we are at it.

You’ll be first in the barrel then

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