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Need tip for Cyde Mountain

By jacko121 2 December 2014 44

So in January I will be driving to Batemans Bay for the first time from Canberra. I am on my red P’s that I have only had for 2 days. I just wanna get some tips and tricks from anyone who has driven up and down the clyde before. Thanks in advance.


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Ghettosmurf87 3:44 pm 08 Dec 14

Just to add to the past few posts, I thought I’d take the novel approach of going to the source of truth and getting an answer from the horses mouth so to speak.

I emailed the NSW RTA through their enquiry line and got through the following response:

“Thank you for your email.

An interstate visiting learner or provisional licence holder must not drive/ride faster than the speed limit imposed by the issuing State and must observe the posted speed limit in NSW, where it is below the limit imposed by the licensing State.

Demerit points and penalties apply to visiting drivers who commit an offence in NSW.

It is in the driver’s best interests to comply with any condition or restriction applicable to their interstate licence when driving in NSW to avoid any dispute with police officers or insurance providers should they be involved in an accident.

Interstate drivers wanting to drive in NSW should read the Road Users’ Handbook or the Motorcycle Rider’s Handbook, as applicable. These are available from any motor registry, or via the Roads and Maritime Services website below.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/documents-forms.html

Drivers from interstate should also comply with any condition or restriction applicable to their interstate licence when driving in NSW. For example, if an interstate licence holder is required to wear spectacles or contact lenses while driving, then he or she should also adhere to that condition or restriction while driving on NSW roads.

There are selective NSW conditions/restrictions that visiting interstate learner or provisional licence holders must comply with when driving in NSW, including:

NSW conditions/restrictions they must comply with: Applies to:

Must have a blood alcohol limit of zero (ANSWER)*All visiting learner, provisional or probationary licence drivers/riders

Cannot use any function of a mobile phone while driving/riding (ANSWER)*Visiting learner licence drivers/riders

Driver must be accompanied by an approved supervising driver (ANSWER)*Visiting learner drivers

Driver and all passengers must wear a fitted seatbelt (ANSWER)*All

For more information on interstate learner drivers using NSW roads please see the below link:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/visiting-nsw.html

For further information please contact Service NSW on 132 213 (Monday – Friday 7am to 7pm) with your licence details to discuss with a Customer Service Representative.

Please Note: The information contained in this email is current at the time of writing.

Kind regards,

Amanda

Service NSW Customer Service”

So, as you can see, ACT Provisional License Holders are allowed to drive at the signposted speed limit in NSW in the same way that they can in the ACT.

JC 5:57 pm 05 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

switch said :

rosscoact said :

My understanding is that you have to comply with both the rules of your license and the rules of the State in which you are driving. A P plater would still be fined for exceeding the speed limit in the example you cited.

Not according to ACT Government Roadready. See the answer to the last question on http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=da&did=1002908&category=3

That’s the opposite to what SA, Qld and NSW sites say, so perhaps it might be useful to print that page and show it to the policeman when he pulls you over

That is because those states have P1 and P2 licences, the ACT it is a different class, P so the rules in NSW don’t apply. But as said above the coppers will still pull you over if you have a red P plate doing 110km/h.

As to why we have so much difference, the answer is easy. For as long as each state has their own governments differences will apply. Laws like this come about generally as knee jerk reactions to events rather than well thought out and co-ordinated law changes. Mostly to appease the masses.

JC 5:30 pm 05 Dec 14

JC said :

Your right you do have to comply with the rules of the state your driving in. HOWEVER the rules in NSW restricting some drivers to 90km/h apply specifically to holders of P1 and P2 drivers licences.

Oops didn’t right that quite right P2 in NSW is 100km/h not 90km/h, but still doesn’t apply to holders of a P licence from the ACT.

JC 5:28 pm 05 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

switch said :

dvaey said :

Expect to get pulled over, especially if you are driving with ACT numberplates and a P plate. Also, remember in NSW, the NSW licence rules apply, even if you are on an ACT licence. This includes such things as a 90km/hr limit and passenger limits.

Check out http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/driver/p1.html#RulesforP1drivers

NSW rules only apply to NSW licensed P platers. ACT P platers can do the posted speed, even 110kph on the motorways in NSW etc. They only have to worry about conditions placed on their ACT licence, even when driving interstate. This obviously leads to all sorts of confusion, and sometimes interesting conversations with overly officious police.

My understanding is that you have to comply with both the rules of your license and the rules of the State in which you are driving. A P plater would still be fined for exceeding the speed limit in the example you cited.

Your right you do have to comply with the rules of the state your driving in. HOWEVER the rules in NSW restricting some drivers to 90km/h apply specifically to holders of P1 and P2 drivers licences.

ACT drivers and some other states don’t have P1, just P, so this rule doesn’t apply to ACT drivers. However I think QLD and/or maybe VIC do have seperate P1 and P2 so they have to comply.

jgsma 5:24 pm 05 Dec 14

Raging Tempest has a great idea – try out Red Hill and Black Mountain a few times. Also, as many others have said, just do it at the speed you feel comfortable driving, even if they tailgate or flash lights at you. Try not to go on Boxing Day!

switch 1:10 pm 05 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

That’s the opposite to what SA, Qld and NSW sites say, so perhaps it might be useful to print that page and show it to the policeman when he pulls you over

Yeah, I said it led to unnecessary confusion. I think there is a form letter buried somewhere online that ACT P-platers are advised to print out and carry with them, but I can’t find it now. It really shows that Australia is still a bunch of colonies who prefer to go their own way than act in concert. Why we still have different road rules and Road Departments for each state is a mystery to me.

rosscoact 11:56 am 05 Dec 14

switch said :

rosscoact said :

My understanding is that you have to comply with both the rules of your license and the rules of the State in which you are driving. A P plater would still be fined for exceeding the speed limit in the example you cited.

Not according to ACT Government Roadready. See the answer to the last question on http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=da&did=1002908&category=3

That’s the opposite to what SA, Qld and NSW sites say, so perhaps it might be useful to print that page and show it to the policeman when he pulls you over

Raging Tempest 11:24 am 05 Dec 14

If you have some time practice country style driving by heading to Bungendore or Braidwood and back a few times, or the road between the Cotter and Tidbinbilla is good too. It will help get you used to windy, skinny roads. For some mountain practice, head up and down Black Mountain and the Red Hill lookout especially at night when the buses straddle lanes as they come down. Again, tight, skinny roads, lots of twists and turn (if only short in comparison to the Clyde) where you can practice using your gears to slow yourself. And get yourself on the parkway at peak hour to simulate being held up by lots of angry people with lots of traffic around.

switch 11:15 am 05 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

My understanding is that you have to comply with both the rules of your license and the rules of the State in which you are driving. A P plater would still be fined for exceeding the speed limit in the example you cited.

Not according to ACT Government Roadready. See the answer to the last question on http://www.roadready.act.gov.au/c/roadready?a=da&did=1002908&category=3

rosscoact 10:28 am 05 Dec 14

switch said :

dvaey said :

Expect to get pulled over, especially if you are driving with ACT numberplates and a P plate. Also, remember in NSW, the NSW licence rules apply, even if you are on an ACT licence. This includes such things as a 90km/hr limit and passenger limits.

Check out http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/driver/p1.html#RulesforP1drivers

NSW rules only apply to NSW licensed P platers. ACT P platers can do the posted speed, even 110kph on the motorways in NSW etc. They only have to worry about conditions placed on their ACT licence, even when driving interstate. This obviously leads to all sorts of confusion, and sometimes interesting conversations with overly officious police.

My understanding is that you have to comply with both the rules of your license and the rules of the State in which you are driving. A P plater would still be fined for exceeding the speed limit in the example you cited.

Russ 9:37 am 05 Dec 14

Masquara said :

Russ said :

Surprised nobody’s mentioned this one:

Avoid the temptation to have a picnic with your family at the top of one of the emergency stop ramps.

Yep – I was told that story as a kid. Weren’t they at the bottom of the ramp though? That poor truckie and his family.

As I understand it, it was just as the truck driver reached the top of the ramp, thinking he was home free, that he saw the family having a picnic. However I’ve also heard of the picnic occurring half way up the ramp, but never at the bottom.

switch 10:03 pm 04 Dec 14

dvaey said :

Expect to get pulled over, especially if you are driving with ACT numberplates and a P plate. Also, remember in NSW, the NSW licence rules apply, even if you are on an ACT licence. This includes such things as a 90km/hr limit and passenger limits.

Check out http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/driver/p1.html#RulesforP1drivers

NSW rules only apply to NSW licensed P platers. ACT P platers can do the posted speed, even 110kph on the motorways in NSW etc. They only have to worry about conditions placed on their ACT licence, even when driving interstate. This obviously leads to all sorts of confusion, and sometimes interesting conversations with overly officious police.

Masquara 6:52 pm 04 Dec 14

Russ said :

Surprised nobody’s mentioned this one:

Avoid the temptation to have a picnic with your family at the top of one of the emergency stop ramps.

Yep – I was told that story as a kid. Weren’t they at the bottom of the ramp though? That poor truckie and his family.

dvaey 4:43 pm 04 Dec 14

A few tips..
Watch out for the 50 (and newish 80) zones at Bungendore and Braidwood. Police and speed cameras often setup at each end of the zones. Infact, for that matter, expect police anywhere on your drive. As a former Canberra resident who has moved to the Bay, I can guarantee you will see more police on your holiday here than you have probably seen on the roads in the last 12 months in the ACT. Expect to get pulled over, especially if you are driving with ACT numberplates and a P plate. Also, remember in NSW, the NSW licence rules apply, even if you are on an ACT licence. This includes such things as a 90km/hr limit and passenger limits.

Check out http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/licence/driver/p1.html#RulesforP1drivers

Also as a side note, ensure you fill up your tank before you arrive. Fuel in the Bay is the most expensive in the state. Most fuel stations in town are 10-15c more expensive than surrounding areas. If you really need to refuel before you drive back up the Clyde, travel upto Cullendulla (a couple of km north of the bridge) and you’ll probably save $5+ on your tank.

Also, for your general coastal experience, come prepared or stock up early. Many shops in the area close early, with IGA and woolies closing at 8pm. After 8pm pretty much your only options for take away food are McDonalds or Dominos.

dungfungus 3:53 pm 04 Dec 14

Russ said :

Surprised nobody’s mentioned this one:

Avoid the temptation to have a picnic with your family at the top of one of the emergency stop ramps.

Is it any less dangerous to have a picnic at the bottom of a ramp?

Russ 1:15 pm 04 Dec 14

Surprised nobody’s mentioned this one:

Avoid the temptation to have a picnic with your family at the top of one of the emergency stop ramps.

jett18 12:51 pm 04 Dec 14

Just a quick tip on how to deal with trucks on the Clyde as this one freaked me out when I first started driving down myself.

Trucks can be a little bit intimidating, particularly if you are behind them. Give them room, give them space and remember that the sheer momentum of the truck will not allow them stop quickly, so if you have one behind you, be aware that if you break suddenly they will take longer to slow down.

My advise would be to be patient with trucks, don’t try and over take them until you are sure that the road is straight and that you will have enough time to pass them before the overtaking lane finishes or the next corner comes up.

Be cool, be calm and stay aware of your surrounds.

Algernon 11:57 am 04 Dec 14

A trip to the coast on a sunny winters day can be a soul-enriching experience.

A trip to the coast on a hot summers day in the holiday season can be an entirely different matter.

A trip to the coast is not just the Clyde. The NRMA rates the Kings Highway as the sixth worst road in NSW and the worst in the Capital region. Average annual daily traffic volumes, according to a 2013 Transport NSW report, are 5000 between Cbr and Bungendore and 4,500 between Bungendore and the coast.

This figure doubles during summer holidays and weekends. With hot weather, poor road surfaces and shoulders, caravans and heavy vehicles in the mix, and a lack of safe overtaking opportunities, travelling the highway can be very slow with the Clyde part reduced to a crawl.

This can lead to frustration. Frustration can lead to impulsive acts. Impulsive acts, particularly on roads like the Kings Highway under those conditions, can lead to adverse outcomes for you and, worse, your passengers and fellow road users.

So, ditto the previous responses (particularly being patient and situationally aware at all times, including driving well ahead) while staying focused on your goal of getting home safely from a weekend of sun, surf, sand and fish ‘n chips, or whatever.

Enjoy the experience.

Whitepointer 10:28 pm 03 Dec 14

Catch a bus.

John Moulis 7:37 pm 03 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

La_Tour_Maubourg said :

Slightly off topic: Where did the name “Government Bend” come from? Was it always named that? Why that particular bend? Do other corners/bends have names? (Exception of Pooh Bear Corner, which was interestingly once named Gypsy Corner after the first fatality on that corner.)

Anybody noticed the abandoned bend by the lowest safety ramp?

The Prime Minister of the day said: “there will be no bend in the road under a government I lead”

I remember in the late 1980s when I drove past the Government Bend sign someone had put a sign on a tree further on saying Anarchy Angle.

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