6 August 2024

Renters need negative gearing more than landlords (and so does government)

| David Murtagh
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Economists may not be big fans of negative gearing, but someone’s going to be putting money into housing. Illustration: Sorbetto.

As we deal with a cost-of-living crisis™ and a housing crisis™, it’s a fool’s errand to try to garner sympathy for landlords. But what the hell, eh?

From what some commentators write, you’d think negative gearing was a new creation designed to keep people out of the property market. An invention, perhaps, of the greedy baby boomers.

In fact, it was designed to encourage investment. That was the goal when it was put on the books in 1936.

And indeed, it has brought investors into the market and those investors rent their properties (if they don’t, the system doesn’t work).

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In case you’re wondering, according to the ATO: “A rental property is negatively geared if it is purchased with the assistance of borrowed funds and the net rental income, after deducting other expenses, is less than the interest on the borrowings”.

Those expenses are important because they include rates and land tax and they’re not cheap. In fact, the maths of real estate is fairly brutal.

Let’s say you have a three-bedroom, one-bathroom rental in Wanniassa going for $630 a week (about $33,000 a year). The land tax on that is about $100 a week. Rates are about $60 a week. That $630 a week rent is now $470. On an asset that might be worth $700,000, your return is a truly atrocious 3.49 per cent (and we haven’t even bought insurance yet).

Maybe it’s the government being greedy, not the landlord.

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The design of negative gearing actually encourages lower rents because if the difference between the interest and the rent can’t be claimed as a loss, the landlord has some choices: they can either absorb the loss (but remember, all landlords are bastards, so what are the chances they’d do that?), they can put up the rent to cover the cost (because all landlords are bastards) or a combination of the two options (if they’re 50/50 on the whole bastard thing).

Oh, there’s a fourth option: they can leave the market.

Perhaps the property will be bought by an owner-occupier, in which case it will no longer be a rental, or maybe someone who doesn’t need the tax loss will buy it. That’s a problem for renters. A landlord without negative gearing can set rent at whatever price the market can bear and they have no incentive to lower rents because they aren’t chasing a tax deduction.

(It should also be noted that negative gearing would not be as attractive to PAYG earners if the marginal tax rates weren’t so high, but let’s beat our heads against that wall another day.)

It might be unfashionable to make the case, but the simple reality is that renters need landlords and landlords need negative gearing.

At this point in any article about negative gearing, the law dictates that you reference the period from 1985 to 1987 when the Hawke Government abolished negative gearing. What happened then? Well, as with all things, it’s complicated, as this ABC Fact Check attests. It gets worse when you try to draw conclusions to wicked problems with just one data point, but that’s all we’ve got. There was an interesting observation, though.

During the period that negative gearing was abolished, real rents increased only in Sydney and Perth. Why? Because that’s where rental vacancies were extremely low. At that time, Sydney’s vacancy rate was one per cent and Perth’s was 1.4 per cent.

Oh. That’s not good.

In the ACT at the moment, the vacancy rate is a nation-leading 2.4 per cent but has regularly been well below one per cent. The picture is much worse across the country.

According to SQM Research, in June 2024, Sydney’s vacancy rate was 1.7 per cent; Brisbane, 1.1 per cent; Adelaide, 0.7 per cent; Hobart, 1.5 per cent; Melbourne, 1.5 per cent; Perth, 1.5 per cent; Darwin, 0.9 per cent; giving us a national figure of 1.3 per cent.

vacancy rate chart

ACT residential vacancy rates. Table: SQM Research.

In other words, the tight market that helped push up rents in the 80s when negative gearing was abolished is here now, right across the country.

Even if a government had the courage to roll the dice on negative gearing, it is estimated there are around 2.24 million taxpayers in Australia who are property investors, and collectively they own 3.25 million investment properties. That’s a lot of property owners to irritate – and it might also give the irrits to their tenants if rents then rise.

Negative gearing isn’t the be-all and end-all of property investment, but it is a sweetener in an asset class that returns in the low single digits.

Economists and policy purists may not like negative gearing but, if you’re a taxpayer, you should be wary of those who want to abolish it, because if private landlords aren’t renting to tenants, those tenants will look to government for a roof, which means you’ll be footing the bill and it’s sure to cost more than the one we currently get.

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What about Capital Gains?

Foolish indeed for good reasons the author appears wholly ignorant of. Landlords are rent seekers. Adam Smith called rent seekers ‘the public enemy’. John Stuart Mill said Landlords grow richer in their sleep without working, risking or economizing. The increase in the value of land, arising as it does from the efforts of an entire community, should belong to the community and not to the individual who might hold title. The solution is to tax it away, and symmetrically reduce income taxes. Private collection of land rents and land appreciation should be illegal. Taxing land, public investment and distribution of housing at scale is far better value than proven failed trickle down strategies like tax breaks for investors to hoover up land and housing assets.

Your communist belief system has failed dismally every single time it has been implemented.

It’s called Singapore, which managed to go from 3rd world to 1st world status in a matter of decades with little in the way of natural resources, land or wealth. They have a 90% home ownership rate, half our private debt per capita. Pretty successful, maybe you should check it out.

Incidental Tourist10:26 am 02 Aug 24

talking of history lessons, Joe Hockey gave his advise much later than Adam Smith to home buyers that they should stop winging, start working like in Singapore get a job and buy a house. As Joe said if houses were unaffordable nobody would be buying them.

Just like 100 metre superyachts really. Good old Joe.

What you are suggesting is called Venezuela and China under Mao when you start with the “rent seeker” nonsense.

GrumpyGrandpa10:44 pm 01 Aug 24

NG is fine. Those who think that cancelling NG, just don’t understand it’s importance.

To take advantage of NG, you need to make a LOSS and maybe (depending on your marginal tax rate) you might recover say 1/3 of that loss. After the tax refund, a loss is still a loss!

What a property investor is banking on is a capital gain at some time in the future, bearing in mind that for a number of years they have been losing money, because their rental income, minus their expenses, adding back their tax refund, is still a loss.

If there is an issue, it’s the 50% tax free CGT. It’s definitely NOT Negative Gearing.

The irony of all of these arguments about NG, is that the ACT Government has their hand deeply in the pockets of landlords (and in due course tenants). Rental properties in the ACT are levied Land Tax at 150 % of the property’s Rates. EG our Rates are approx. $3,000. If we rented our house, the ACT Government would charge $4,500 in Land Tax. So, before we received one cent in rental income, the ACT Government has charged us $7,500 p.a. In round terms, – $150 of our rental income would go to the ACT Government.

And people want to abolish NG! What about the impost of the ACT Government? There would be a lot less NG, if the ACT Government wasn’t adding so much to landlord’s expenses?

I do NOT own an investment property.

GrumpyGrandpa, it is both of CGT and NG, with the former more important, and not only those are in need of fixing.

Moaning about land tax (a fair and efficient tax on capital becoming more widespread in the country) has nothing to do with tax concessions on income losses. Indeed, you could see it as a form of correction if you like, rendering negative gearing irrelevant at a sufficient level.

Losing money is not a particular investment virtue but is cross-subsidisation, in this case at the expense of other taxpayers rather than intra-company.

@Grumpy Grandpa
Generally, deductions are provided to those who incur work related expenses in the making of their income. Why should an APS staffer be able to offset their investment property losses against their totally unrelated salary?

Explain why you think other PAYG tapxpayers subsidise those who want to speculate on a property investment – which ultimately delivers an asset?

GrumpyGrandpa9:42 pm 02 Aug 24

Hello byline,
The imposition of Land Tax, in the ACT and in particular more recently in Victoria (in through both its lowering of thresholds and taxes on AirB’nBs) does three things:
1. It’s it is a tax grab for the respective State Government, to help them fund their deficits.
2. It discourages investment into property at both construction and landlord level (both essential for the supply of rental properties),
3. Ultimately because of the additional cost incurred by the landlords, additional ownership costs like Land Tax end up adding to the cost of rents charged to tenants.

Describing Land Tax as a fair and efficient tax on capital is an interesting position to take. Without the investment of capital, there is no investment and with no investment, no one has a roof over their head.

Of course, when it comes to Land Tax vs NG, CGT and Taxable Income, we are talking about different levels of government. Land Tax (charged by the States, DOSE impact on tax concessions/income losses, because that is the way the Australian Taxation System works. Land Tax (charged by the State) is an expense incurred by the tax payer in earning a rental income and the ATO treats it as such at a Federal level.

As mentioned earlier, I don’t own an investment property, so I have no self interest in this subject. I just understand accounting and tax law.

GrumpyGrandpa, the moment you said “tax grab” rather than addressing tax efficiency at any level of taxation is when you lost all credibility, yet I’ll deal with your other failed arguments as well. Were you proposing that a body without the capacity to print its own currency *not* fund what it is doing? Argue about what is done directly, then argue about efficiency and effectiveness of taxation itself.

Your item 2 is has no basis in any respect. Whether or not you consider private landlords “essential” (moot) then what does that have to do with local (Territory) tax efficiency, or the topic of negative gearing or relatedly CGT concessions both of which are Federal taxes? How does land tax on ownership discourage construction? Are you also railing against GST which had an actual effect on all prices?

Regarding your item 3, the GST also affected prices. Do you think it is less or more efficient than the old multi-tiered retail/wholesale tax system? Likewise land tax, whose fairness and efficiency are indeed interesting, supported widely by economists and by formal taxation reviews in this country, and being implemented all around. It comes under the class of resource rent taxes, a cost of private exploitation of a national resource.

Land tax is expensible at tax time just like rates and other costs, the latter being basic tax on housing while land tax is on property not held and used for personal housing.

I compare anyone’s assertions of knowledge with their ability to display such knowledge and to argue logically; not seeing much of those rather than overt bias.

Incidental Tourist4:19 pm 01 Aug 24

The proponents for abolishing negative gearing turn things upside down suggesting that properties appeared out of nothing on free land like weeds by itself. Greedy “bastards” landlords grab and rent them out pocketing all rent as a profit. Yes, it would be really nice if the ACT government gives away land for free, in any quantity, as much as people want, would charge absolutely no fees, taxes or rates. Why don’t tradies, solicitors, managers and accountants show up to work every day at their good will, driving to work in free cars on a free petrol, pick up free materials from free shops where sales people work for free, construct these houses charging absolutely nothing? I am sure everybody reading these words, both tenants and landlords would be in line for a “free” house! Unfortunately the reality is slightly different. The house price contains a lot of labour and taxes. “Greedy” landlords take mortgage to pay salaries to all these people plus all sort of taxes and provide a house for someone else. 3.25 million investment properties mean 3.25 million 30 years long mortgages and millions of salaries for a generation. People buying existing properties “share the load” by taking up these mortgages in a middle. It is possible to bankrupt greedy “bastards” but it means huge job cuts across many sectors, huge inflation, millions of houses less, and millions of homeless.

When you start with a falsehood you can reach no valid conclusion so your post finished where it started, in fantasies.

Maybe you felt better for the rant.

Do Negative Gearing rules need some adjustment. You betcha.

But anyone who thinks this will fix our housing market and rental prices is kidding themselves.

Will it release more developable land to the market? Will it ensure better urban planning? Will build to rent run by private corporations and shareholders provide better and cheaper housing?

If there’s a thousand elements within the housing system, then negative gearing might only impact a few hundred of them.

We need to align all levels from community to council to state to federal, all working with the housing and construction industry.

I agree that negative gearing has only a small impact. CGT is a greater tax distortion and supply is critical, for example.

It is a pity the article itself was so ill-considered and simplistic.

If negative gearing was capped at 2 investment properties or 2 million dollars worth of loans whichever is less then taxpayers would not be subsidising people with dozens of negative geared investment properties.

This should bring property prices back to something realistic and reduce the number of people being forced into looking for rental properties because more people could afford to buy a home.

Hardly anyone has “dozens”. Here are the actual numbers, again:
property = 71.5%
2 = 18.9%
3 = 5.8%
4 = 2.1%
5 = 0.9%
6 = 0.9%

You would allow about 90% of current benefits to be retained. That is not going to have much impact. Try harder.

Residential property investment is just not worth it… and when are the critics finally going to realise that negative gearing just does NOT help! You have to spend the money to get the deduction and most people need another job to pay that bill!

So, you have no problem with its abolition.

Over half of investors in residential housing manage to do that unaided by any desire or need to make a direct loss.

Albert South1:27 pm 01 Aug 24

This opinion is misleading at best. Negative gearing was introduced as an incentive for investors in NEW rental properties, that is, investors in building new houses. It has clearly had unintended consequences and is now causing issues for the market. The possible benefits of getting investors in are either now exhausted or negated by adverse conditions in the economy.
The point about a landlord leaving the market, allowing new owner occupiers to move in and thereby reducing the rental options misses a key point: the new owner occupiers mean a decrease in the number of competing renters. This is what the goal should be.
To put more colloquially, “no one gets seconds until everyone has had a serve.”

Albert it was designed to allow Australian CITIZENS an investment option to grow their wealth. It was not designed to encourage unmitigated levels of foreign investment into the housing stock we see today!

Cite your reference for the claim there are “unmitigated levels of foreign investment into the housing stock”, Sam Oak.

Otherwise, stop dog-whistling.

bev hutchinson7:26 am 02 Aug 24

That last quote is called communism…do you want to live in such a country where no matter how hard you work or how smart you will only be equal to the lowest common denominator?
If there is no financial incentive to building and renting it won’t happen. If you want the government to own everything then China is your new home.

I take it you refer to Albert South’s last sentence, bev hutchinson. I doubt your take on it is what they meant but they can speak for themselves on that.

More importantly, we live in a capitalist society, meaning we are free to invest and make a return on capital assets. If you want to imply that “financial incentive” requires various long term tax concessions then you are not a capitalist but a rent-seeker with doubtful investment capability.

Incidental Tourist1:19 pm 01 Aug 24

This is a first honest article saying that “$630 a week rent is .. $470” rent. $160 (or 26%) is grabbed by Greens and Labor because they comfortably sit in the Assembly for 25+ years.

Tempus Viator12:30 pm 01 Aug 24

We need to supply vast amounts of new properties into the market for this rental crisis, not just making existing property owners sell existing properties.
Federal/State/Local governments are the parties that really can help this problem along by increase the skills (and people) into the required trades, reduce planning approval red tape and release/re-zone land.

It’s all about the capital gain, something this article conveniently forgets to mention. Also, if negative gearing was abolished and all those owners sold up, house prices would fall, some renters would become owner-occupiers, and rental demand would also fall.

devils_advocate11:27 am 01 Aug 24

An important point that people forget is that removing negative gearing will entrench the position of existing landlords at the expense of new entry to the market.

“Negative gearing” allows a landlord to offset losses in their investment property against other sources of (unrelated) income, usually PAYG income.

Remove this, and landlords that hold multiple investment properties will have an advantage. This is because typically, over the life of holding an asset, it will make a loss at the start and then turn to profit as rents increase over time (but the face value of service the capital remains the same).

Large multi-property landlords will be able to offset property losses from one asset against net income from another.

This option will not be available for new entrants. Removing negative gearing will create a further, potentially insurmountable barrier to entry.

‘A small percentage, a few richer people, will be less affected.’ Thanks for the massive insight.

Less than 10% own more than two, less than 4% more than 3. I think the market might price in favour of the majority of investors, those owning 75% of the properties.
Over time, an impact will be that property prices stabilise or fall owing to decreased investor demand at current prices. New entrants welcome. Old investors amend their strategy, sell, or die out.

As a basis for any other comments, here are the investor proportions as provided by a property spruiker who sourced their data from CoreLogic and ABS:
1 property = 71.5%
2 = 18.9%
3 = 5.8%
4 = 2.1%
5 = 0.9%
6 = 0.9%

devils_advocate2:51 pm 01 Aug 24

Yes, there are fewer multiple property owners NOW, under the relatively level playing field.

My observation is about what happens when you bring in a regulation that distorts that playing field in favour of the incumbent landlords.

The other distortion is the likely grandfathering provision that would need to be put in place in order for it to be remotely palatable (which was in any case voted down when Shorten took it to the electorate).

Any grandfathering will again favour the incumbent landlords and discourage them from selling the asset.

Your observation is spurious, as I pointed out. Prices change.

The fact that “there are fewer multiple property owners NOW” is not a function of negative gearing. It is ordinary price and wealth in a market currently distorted by preferential tax treatment.

Economic grandfathers die. If you would prefer grandfathering not be a provision of change then say so. Otherwise your comment is immaterial.

Bad policy gains no virtue by longevity, and many things are implemented after previously being voted down. GST, for example, a stopped policy in 1985, voted down in 1993, implemented 2000.

devils_advocate4:04 pm 02 Aug 24

Your point is irrelevant and has no bearing on the issue I have raised. I have not argued either for or against negative gearing, nor for or against grandfathering. I have simply pointed out the distortion that would eventually arise as between

You are avoiding my first reply, devils_advocate. If there is indeed an advantage to incumbency through grandfathering, it will pass. In fact marginal operators (which are also found among the very few with multiple properties) will be forced out or into a measure of retreat, which has a price-lowering effect. Changes to distortionary taxes reduce investor competition for occupant-owners, again ameliorating prices. Any incumbency impact will be countered in the short term while in the longer term transient effects of little moment do not justify bad policy. Are you actually arguing for bad policy, that nothing should change, no problem rectified?

devils_advocate6:23 pm 04 Aug 24

byline, you clearly don’t understand how income quarantining works. Landlords with multiple properties will be able to cross-subsidise the positive cashflow assets against the negative ones.

Investors looking to enter the market will not have the option of offsetting their losses against other income.
This incumbency advantage and subsequent distortion will not “pass”.

It is no answer to a supposedly bad policy, to replace it with something even worse.

devils_advocate, I clearly understand cross-subsidisation. Is that sorted now? Was stating the fact that rich people have more money meant to be your point? It appears to be so, given you are apparently hooked on repeating it.

Contrary to your strange belief, some of the 10% multi property owners are at high risk through high gearing, so may not survive (as observed in the past). Most of the 90% with only one or two properties will be geared sensibly and survive. More than half are not negatively geared in the first place so are wholly unaffected.

The outcome is a probabilistic function of total financial risk undertaken against all assets.

Sorry if sane policy does not suit you. If it applies to you then perhaps you should gear down a bit before economic sanity hits. Intelligent investors manage risk without rent-seeking.

devils_advocate7:59 pm 06 Aug 24

Lmao

Do not only do you not understand how cross subsidisation will further concentrate investor ownership, but your lack of understand of financial risk

devils_advocate8:06 pm 06 Aug 24

Your lack of understanding of “financial risk” leads you to the fantasy that there will be some massive shakeout of leveraged investors on the horizon

Just FYI
-investors who had significant exposure to the market pre-COVID have in large numbers cashed out 30-40% profits in Canberra and are now re-investing using cash profits. For serious developers that’s deep into the 7 figures with no direct exposure to interest rates.
-over the next 12 months less restrictive monetary policy settings will see a further consolidation of wealth in the hands of those who can access finance. Many renters will remain so as property prices take off again.
-for any investors that are forced to sell (not in Canberra with its stable PS based workforce) they will realise a handsome capital gain

As for your baseless assumption, Negative gearing has no direct impact on me, because I invest for the purpose of profit. I’m Just commenting on what will happen in the event someone manages to get such a policy across the line.

Barmaleo Barmaley10:35 am 01 Aug 24

If the ACT Government would genuinely be concerned about high rent prices, it would abolish the Land Tax for properties with the land value under $1,000,000, as it is in the NSW. Currently, $100 or more from every weekly rent goes to pay the ACT Land Tax.

Please remind me why Canberrans do need to feed an additional entity of bureaucrats under name of “the ACT Government”? Wouldn’t it be better to all, except them of course, if Canberra would follow the NSW Legislation?

Stephen Saunders9:25 am 01 Aug 24

No better than the Greens, with their fatuous “rent freeze”.

If you’re not prepared to discuss the demand side, Albanese’s all time immigration drive, don’t waste my time.

…said the person who is proven never prepared to discuss that the permanent immigration rate proportional to population is lower than it has been for most of the last 100 years.

Please stop wasting people’s time.

LOL
Well when we make up new and inventive ways to pretend record high immigration isn’t really a problem, and lie to people, it’s not really a big deal!

Do you have difficulty with proportions?

No, I have a problem with lies like “Current population justifies record levels of immigration”.

Who said that, Ken M? Point out the sentence.

Inventing things to attack is a pretty primitive type of informal fallacy.

My response to Stephen Saunders was accurate. If you believe the proportion is too high, go ahead and argue that with somebody who cares. You may as well, because we know “Stephen Saunders” never will.

You are going to be winding up all the financial superstars who rent with this one. 🤣

Powerful analysis and surprisingly insightful for a left wing media organisation.

It’s clear affordability issues are driven by high cost of construction (supply) and excess immigration (demand). Property should be something only citizens are allowed to buy and invest in.

Would you like to present the proportion of property investors who obtain ATO approval for residential property development, or FIRB for existing residences (sold on departure)?

Are you offering a straw man argument to avoid the silliness in the article?

By the way, foreign purchasers pay additional stamp duty in most States, reducing their competitive position and adding to this country’s coffers.

So an article about property investment that just skims over capital gains as the key driver for property investment.

Yeah, OK.

As for the rest of the stuff that is straight out of the landlord talking point handbook, landlords aren’t in control of the rental market and where rents are set. So the whole claim around what landlords “might” do, ignores the fact that the purchase price for property can also drop due to lower investor demand, changing the potential rental yields for future investors or the ability for owner occupiers to purchase.

So that particular investor might leave the market but the next purchaser, either owner occupier or investor might be buying at a lower price through removed investor demand.

Supply of new dwellings is where we need to focus and unfortunately investors don’t help much there, with the vast majority of investors focusing on existing areas. If there was a place for negative gearing it should only be for new dwellings.

devils_advocate11:16 am 01 Aug 24

Any future capital gain, and the tax benefits of being able to determine when to realise that capital gain (income), is already factored into the required rental return for the asset, along with all the other income and costs that make up the cost base, assuming a (reasonably) rational investor.

The cost base in turn sets the bottom end of the range in which the market price is determined, with the consumer/producer surplus allocation depending on market conditions.

“assuming a (reasonably) rational investor.”

That’s actually quite a big assumption but probably accurate over the longer term.

So yes, a rational investor would make a forecast on potential capital gains as part of their investment strategy, which forms part of the market price. So why does the article just ignore it?

devils_advocate2:53 pm 01 Aug 24

Yes, there are fewer multiple property owners NOW, under the relatively level playing field.

My observation is about what happens when you bring in a regulation that distorts that playing field in favour of the incumbent landlords.

The other distortion is the likely grandfathering provision that would need to be put in place in order for it to be remotely palatable (which was in any case voted down when Shorten took it to the electorate).

Any grandfathering will again favour the incumbent landlords and discourage them from selling the asset.

devils_advocate2:55 pm 01 Aug 24

Possibly because the extent of any capital gain is already factored in, and not a *direct* policy decision by government in the same way as, say, land taxes or “negative gearing” allowances or other policy settings.

Or more probably because the article is deliberately written to obfuscate the entirety of factors that drive investment decisions along with positioning property investors as far more benevolent than they actually are.

Eeking out their “low single digit returns”.

Incidental Tourist10:20 pm 01 Aug 24

Removal of negative gearing from a secondary market reduces the secondary market and cuts the capital gain making original investment unattractive.

Incidental Tourist,
You say that like it’s a bad thing?

Although interesting that you believe a tax concession is needed to make property investment “attractive”.

That’s exactly the problem.

devils_advocate10:51 am 04 Aug 24

The “tax concession” is not a problem

If the landlord is “negatively gearing” they are effectively subsidising the cost of providing the rental property from their own pocket

The bigger the tax concession from negative gearing, the higher is the taxpayers marginal tax rate, and therefore the more CGT they will eventually pay (even if discounted).

The alternative to allowing people to deduct property investment expenses from PAYG income is to quarantine earnings/losses from that income category, which as I point out above has far worse outcomes.

I’m absolutely not an expert but for me the problem is that with both capital gains tax concessions and negative gearing you kinda get to double dip. Surely either appreciation of the house should be counted when calculating cash flow (even though of course it isn’t cash), or there shouldn’t be capital gains concessions on investment properties.

Negative gearing should absolutely stay in the same way that any loss can be set off against income. But who wants to be negatively geared? We are selling our investment properties now to owner occupiers because of rates, land tax, interest rates etc. It’s not viable to be a residential landlord anymore. The good news I suppose is the properties become someone’s home.

I sold up awhile back and paid my house off, currently just investing in my super and shares as much less hassle.
Who can tell what new rental laws will be thought up by crazy tenant activist/Greens and get enforced by the local mob if they get voted back in again.

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