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Road rule reminder: You can’t stop there

By ML-585 28 January 2010 51

To follow SGT.BUNGERS’ lead, here are some more road rules which Canberra car drivers seem to be blissfully unaware of:

179 Stopping in a loading zone
 (1) A driver must not stop in a loading zone unless the driver is driving:
 (a) a public bus that is dropping off, or picking up, passengers; or
 (b) a truck that is dropping off, or picking up, goods; or
 (c) a vehicle that is permitted to stop in the loading zone under another law of this jurisdiction.

182 Stopping in a taxi zone
 (1) A driver must not stop in a taxi zone, unless the driver is driving a taxi.

183 Stopping in a bus zone
 (1) A driver must not stop in a bus zone unless the driver is driving a public bus (except a public bus of a kind that is not permitted to stop in the bus zone by information on or with the bus zone sign applying to the bus zone).

Note that these rules prohibit both stopping and parking.

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rhino 2:37 pm 07 Sep 12

Johnny_Moe said :

What a bunch of sand filled fannies, you would all save yourselves a lot of heartache if you forgot all the rules the government makes you live by and just live by one rule only – Don’t cause harm to another person. If you live your life by that one rule then everything will be IRIE and we would all live in a much happier world. Fannies gonna fann though.

This is it hey. It’s not about “you broke a law once, so I can break any law I want”. It’s about balancing up the impact on others for each circumstance. If you aren’t going to harm others unreasonably then you aren’t really doing anything wrong regardless of the law. Same goes the other way too, if you are harming others then you are doing something wrong even if it isn’t illegal.

Jungle Jim 2:04 pm 07 Sep 12

tim_c said :

youami said :

Postalgeek said :

Speaking of road rules, can someone please decrypt the protocol of this intersection in Griffith. I still can’t work it out. There are no lane markings/signs of any kind:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.321314,149.139045&spn=0.000891,0.001404&t=h&z=20

Are you serious? You mean to tell me you do not know who has right-of-way here? My friend, I believe you have been living in this ACT nanny state far too long! Let me explain to you that you must give way on a road that terminates. Lefroy St terminates. Regardless of the slip lane. Simple.

Actually, the map shows Evans Cr terminating where it meets Lefroy St, with Lefroy St being the continuing street. But in situations where there is no clear indication, drivers must give way to traffic on their right.
Personally I’d use the “Fix My Street” link on the ACT Gov’t website to ask for an official explanation – and hopefully even get them to do something about clarifying with signage/road markings.

The mirror intersection with Stuart St about 200m west shows the line markings and how to use the intersection. Perhaps they ran out of paint before they got to this one.

From memory there’s a similarly odd set-up in Forest, but I can’t find it on the map.

rhino 1:54 pm 07 Sep 12

AstralPlane said :

pepmeup, I think you’re nearly with me. Pointing out that there are rules is boring. More interesting is discussing that in fact there are blurry lines between what is acceptable and what is not and that where that line lies is different for each of us and that part of the way society works is that we give each other a bit and we take a bit. That’s what we do.

But on commonsence I disagree entirely. Sometimes disobeying a law shows commonsense, not a lack of it. It’s just not black and white, it all depends.

For the record, disabled spots, no. Emergency access, no. Well, not yet.

Search your memory and then see if you can look me in the eye and say you have never flouted a recognised law, however small. Go on.

I agree with Astral completely. It’s also worth noting that there are different loading zones and different times of day. If it is a location or time that is not too busy or likely to have someone needing the loading zone within the next 15 seconds, then who is being inconvenienced? And as he said, the worst case is an inconvenience of 15 seconds for 1 person which is better overall than any other course of action could achieve. I’m sure Astral would not use the loading zone if there appeared to be a queue of vans waiting to use that loading zone.

Johnny_Moe 1:25 pm 07 Sep 12

What a bunch of sand filled fannies, you would all save yourselves a lot of heartache if you forgot all the rules the government makes you live by and just live by one rule only – Don’t cause harm to another person. If you live your life by that one rule then everything will be IRIE and we would all live in a much happier world. Fannies gonna fann though.

tim_c 11:53 am 07 Sep 12

youami said :

Postalgeek said :

Speaking of road rules, can someone please decrypt the protocol of this intersection in Griffith. I still can’t work it out. There are no lane markings/signs of any kind:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.321314,149.139045&spn=0.000891,0.001404&t=h&z=20

Are you serious? You mean to tell me you do not know who has right-of-way here? My friend, I believe you have been living in this ACT nanny state far too long! Let me explain to you that you must give way on a road that terminates. Lefroy St terminates. Regardless of the slip lane. Simple.

Actually, the map shows Evans Cr terminating where it meets Lefroy St, with Lefroy St being the continuing street. But in situations where there is no clear indication, drivers must give way to traffic on their right.
Personally I’d use the “Fix My Street” link on the ACT Gov’t website to ask for an official explanation – and hopefully even get them to do something about clarifying with signage/road markings.

tim_c 11:47 am 07 Sep 12

youami said :

Katietonia said :

As the local road rules expert, are people allowed to park their car on a road with double lines? (as in do not overtake lines)

You can park curbside provided vehicles do not have to cross the unbroken lines to pass your parked vehicle. It is an offence if they do becuase you are obstructing traffic?!

Oh and I think you will find that there are caveats to the no parking/stopping as any vehicle I believe is allowed under an emergency.

And I agree it is probably more to do with complacency and risk/benefit over ignorance.

You cannot park there if any part of your vehicle is less than 3 m from the double unbroken lines.

Clown Killer 6:05 pm 26 Feb 10

So Astralplan 2 wrongs make a right do they now? Since when???

If I were to see you performing ANY of the actions above not only would you be adding to your own dents/bumps as you say (so you must be a FANTASTIC DRIVER then….) you’d return to find the sledge hammer from the back of my commercial vehicle buried into EVERY single part of your car I can. If you return and I’m still there you’d better start running.

Pot, I’d like you to meet kettle. On the surface you guys appear to have a lot in common. Twat.

Imwatchinu 11:58 am 26 Feb 10

Oh I forgot – your kids won’t be fat and lazy since you leave them in the car and on these 30+degree days they’ll just sweat it all off…….geez haven’t you heard about the kids/animals that die in hot cars?

there’s so much wrong with your posts I’m just going to take the iniative of others here……oh and when I speed through your kids school zone it’s ok – YOU’RE USING THE LOADING ZONE!

Classic

Imwatchinu 11:55 am 26 Feb 10

AstralPlane said :

Yeah. Thanks for that. For a minute there I thought “no stopping” meant “stop when ever you want”. I must have thought it read “no not stopping”. Good to have that cleared up.

It is also pleasing to see that the people posting comments are such fabulous, perfect, law abiding citizens that they can safely jump on the old high horse and have a spray at people stopping in a loading zone. I’m assuming youse can do so because youse come from a position of never having ignored a law because youse found it, in youse particular circumstances, convenient to do so. For example, youse have never:
– driven through an orange light;
– driven over the speed limit;
– failed to vote;
– put your tax return in late;
– taken your dog off the lead where you shouldn’t;
– let off a firework during the wrong hours;
– jaywalked;
– ridden your bike across a pedestrian crossing; or
– put your ex housemate’s personally addressed junk mail in the bin.

The first two, compared to stopping in a loading zone, are particularly bad, because the put the lives of other road users at risk. But you wouldn’t have ever done those things because you’re the sort of upstanding person who doesn’t commit the much lesser offence of stopping in a loading zone when you shouldn’t.

Me, I stop in the loading zone all the time when I shouldn’t. I do it, for example, when I have four kids in the car and I can pull up, jump out and return a library book, post a letter or return a video without getting all the screaming kids out. I use your precious loading zone for about 15 seconds and if I didn’t it would take about 15 minutes to park, get all the kids out and walk across the road with them. The trade off, where you might have to wait 15 seconds in order to save me 15 minutes and the aggro, is surely one we can all live with, in the name of giving each other a break and helping each other out. Isn’t it?

Or have you never found yourself needing to take a small liberty? Never driven a bit fast when late for work? Really?

Pointing out the there are rules is a pretty boring post. There are lots of rules, we can just look them up anytime we want without having to be harangued about them here. There are much more interesting subjects like:

– whether we want to live in a society that is so strictly bound by rules that one must not break even the most minor of them (I don’t, do you?);

– who died and made jasere the enforcer and if s/he loves it so much why doesn’t s/he quit his/her job that requires a van and join the parking police?;

– if, when parked in deliberately by jasere at a loading zone, it is morally ok (or perhaps necessary) for me to add another dent to the many, many, many blemishes in my bumper bar, about which I could not give a toss, by backing into jasere’s van?

So Astralplan 2 wrongs make a right do they now? Since when???

Personally, breaking the law is breaking the law. After spending 1hour and 3 phone calls to Canberra Connect to recently find out my responsibilities for using a loading zone reading something like this from you and anyone who agree’s with you makes me wonder about you lot here.

If I were to see you performing ANY of the actions above not only would you be adding to your own dents/bumps as you say (so you must be a FANTASTIC DRIVER then….) you’d return to find the sledge hammer from the back of my commercial vehicle buried into EVERY single part of your car I can. If you return and I’m still there you’d better start running.

Question – how much rego do you pay? Cause a commerical operator is up for $1000/year so unless you are paying for the loading zone permit I suggest you get your fat lazy arse out of the car and walk the extra 5 mins – the effect is two fold cause your fat kids who have learnt all of their life lessons from you *unfortunately* can get some exercise aswell.

The fact you honestly think that because someone else has broken the law in some way gives you the right to do what you want is what is most worrying.

D1ckhead or douchbag – either way fat and lazy……poll time.

Vonbare 2:45 pm 01 Feb 10

I figure, follow the Irish example – park wherever you want, chuck your hazards on, and chill the feck out!

youami 1:46 pm 01 Feb 10

Postalgeek said :

Speaking of road rules, can someone please decrypt the protocol of this intersection in Griffith. I still can’t work it out. There are no lane markings/signs of any kind:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.321314,149.139045&spn=0.000891,0.001404&t=h&z=20

Are you serious? You mean to tell me you do not know who has right-of-way here? My friend, I believe you have been living in this ACT nanny state far too long! Let me explain to you that you must give way on a road that terminates. Lefroy St terminates. Regardless of the slip lane. Simple.

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