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30km speed limit in school zones?

By GM2617 - 4 August 2015 40

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The ACT Government would like community views to be expressed on reducing the speed limit around schools to 30kmph – but there has been nothing posted on the ‘Time to Talk’ website yet, so let’s start the community discussion here.

I think 40kph is slow enough – I do not want the speed limit to be dropped to 30kph as that is just too slow and unnecessary, and we may as well make drivers get out of their cars and push their cars past a school zone.

I would prefer to see permanent speed cameras erected at all school zones, and more prominent flashing lights visible during school zone times.  These initiatives will deter drivers from speeding (as we all see what happens at the permanent red light camera locations on our roads – the cars slow down until they get past the camera then speed up again).  Any revenue collected from speeding fines in these zones should be fed directly back into education initiatives.

I also wish the speed limit around schools would be limited to two periods per day when the children and entering and leaving school rather than for the entire period from morning to afternoon.

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30km speed limit in school zones?
Postalgeek 12:08 pm 04 Aug 15

I’ll have a race with you. I’ll drive 30 kmph through a school zone and you get out and push. When you’re done post on here how long it took you. I won’t have the patience to wait around.

watto23 11:56 am 04 Aug 15

Lack of logic is clearly being used here. I have to admit occasionally I’ve done 60 through a 40 zone in the middle of the day, mostly due to not noticing the speed limit signs.
Dropping the limit to 30 won’t slow people down.
Put in flashing lights, use speed cameras, use speed humps or a combination, but lowering to 30 is the cheap way of making it look like you care and are doing something as a government and actually doing nothing at all.

all the money we put into speed cameras yet they don’t go in places where safety is paramount, they go in places of highest revenue (except for the stupidity of the point to point on Athllon Drive).

rosscoact 11:24 am 04 Aug 15

cbrmale said :

As well as driving my car I also have a motorcycle, and it will be almost impossible to ride that motorcycle at a steady 30km/h. The snatchy nature of a fuel injected engine coupled with no engine flywheel, motorcycle engines don’t have flywheels, would require me to ride in first gear (yes) for, in some school zones, kilometres at a time. That would be all but impossible. Being air-cooled it would also suffer from serious overheating in hot weather, so I will have no option but to increase speed in order to use second or third gear.

My response to this farce will be made at the next election, which can’t come soon enough.

Really? You overheat in the 50-100 metres of a school zone? And you cannot maintain a steady slow speed?

Check this out http://www.stayupright.com.au/

Evilomlap 11:20 am 04 Aug 15

I am a broken record with this, but here goes – morons who speed through school zones are going to do it no matter what the speed limit signs say or when those limits are enforced.

Personally, if it’s during the morning or afternoon school drop offs/pick up, I’ll often do less than 40 anyway. The way I see it, I’d rather be slightly delayed than risk bouncing a small child off the bumper of my car and spending the rest of my life in jail thinking about it.

James_Ryan 11:09 am 04 Aug 15

blandone said :

The government is concerned by the number of drivers speeding through school zones, so they propose to reduce the speed limit? Let’s reduce it to 30/Kph, that’ll stop em! (or slow them down..) Honestly, who thinks this stuff up?

This, basically.

Before any more knees are jerked, it’s best to start by trying to understand exactly which problem the policy makers are trying to solve.

In this case, the problem apparently is that some drivers exceed the 40 kph school speed limit – as evidenced by six drivers each day being detected in the ACT.

Potential solutions to that problem would include:
– more enforcement (e.g. disincentive to speed through greater police presence increasing the likelihood of detection and immediate consequence)
– more awareness (e.g. improved signage and potentially flashing lights as in NSW, community aweness campaign)
– more incentive to drive slower (e.g. more traffic control devices such as speed humps).

I’m not aware of the problem being that collisions (or near misses) with children are occurring at 40 kph and therefore a new limit of 30 kph would reduce the number of collisions (and near misses).

It seems to me that the best solution for problem B is being proposed for problem A. Why not just solve problem A instead? Probably because it’ll cost more to do it right. That’s usually the reason for shoddy policy.

Solidarity 11:09 am 04 Aug 15

I can ride my air-cooled fuel injected motorcycle at a steady speed for miles on end, be that 1km/h, 30km/h or 100km/h. Not sure why you couldn’t, it’s fairly basic. Keep the revs up and modulate the speed with the clutch and rear brake if you need to keep it rally slow.

Holden Caulfield 11:08 am 04 Aug 15

cbrmale said :

As well as driving my car I also have a motorcycle, and it will be almost impossible to ride that motorcycle at a steady 30km/h. The snatchy nature of a fuel injected engine coupled with no engine flywheel, motorcycle engines don’t have flywheels, would require me to ride in first gear (yes) for, in some school zones, kilometres at a time. That would be all but impossible. Being air-cooled it would also suffer from serious overheating in hot weather, so I will have no option but to increase speed in order to use second or third gear.

You forgot to add, “I’m here all week, try the veal!”

cbrmale 10:31 am 04 Aug 15

Once the speed limit was 60 and some drivers sped. Then the school speed limit was reduced to 40 and some drivers sped. Now the school speed limit is going to be reduced to 30 and these impatient drivers won’t speed? I don’t understand the logic.

I do slow for school speed zones and as a result I get subjected to road rage. In many instances I have filmed this road rage, aggressive tailgating, lights flashing and taken video clips to the police, who did nothing. I am deeply concerned that slowing to 30 will result in more road rage being directed towards me from impatient, aggressive drivers. I would like to see the ACT Government back this up with a campaign to stop aggressive driving and road rage, rather than this half-baked, knee-jerk reaction.

As well as driving my car I also have a motorcycle, and it will be almost impossible to ride that motorcycle at a steady 30km/h. The snatchy nature of a fuel injected engine coupled with no engine flywheel, motorcycle engines don’t have flywheels, would require me to ride in first gear (yes) for, in some school zones, kilometres at a time. That would be all but impossible. Being air-cooled it would also suffer from serious overheating in hot weather, so I will have no option but to increase speed in order to use second or third gear.

My response to this farce will be made at the next election, which can’t come soon enough.

Holden Caulfield 10:20 am 04 Aug 15

~1500kg travelling at 40km/h hitting a ~35kg child is only ever going to have one outcome. And it’s not pretty. So while it’s fine to complain that you may as well get out and push it’s also worth remembering the basic physics at play.

In South Australia, for over 35 years, school crossings generally have a 25km/h limit accompanied by flashing yellow lights at each crossing. The zones are only temporary (usually at the start and end of the school day) and for a much shorter distance than we see in Canberra.

Perhaps that approach is worth discussing as well?

Nilrem 10:14 am 04 Aug 15

Why isn’t there a rule that cars have to stop at operating school crossings? At the moment about one in two seem to, which confuses the kids no end!

Solidarity 9:57 am 04 Aug 15

Double demerits if you’re caught speeding, quadruple if you’re caught speeding and your child attends the school.

Maya123 9:56 am 04 Aug 15

I don’t mind lower speeds outside primary schools and even high schools, but colleges! Surely they are old enough to know how to cross a road. Some of them even have driving licences.

Rollersk8r 9:47 am 04 Aug 15

I know there was a 12 or 13 year old hit just last week – but overall this government’s obsessed pedestrian safety, including the 40kmh zones in town centres.

Fine, go ahead, make it 30kmh around schools – as long as it’s done sensibly like in NSW. There’s no need for the limit to apply all day.

blandone 9:10 am 04 Aug 15

The government is concerned by the number of drivers speeding through school zones, so they propose to reduce the speed limit? Let’s reduce it to 30/Kph, that’ll stop em! (or slow them down..) Honestly, who thinks this stuff up?

I’d support double demerit points / double fines for all speeding infringements in all school zones. Leave them at 40/Kph from 8am-4pm. And install flashing lights at all school zones over the next 5 years or so.

Zan 7:42 am 04 Aug 15

In my day at school we were taught how to cross the road and look out for cars. This lowering of the speed limit gives the children a false sense of security and does nothing to teach them about dangers of roads and cars. Next we will be seeing a person with a red flag in front of each car walking!

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