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By GM2617 4 August 2015 40

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The ACT Government would like community views to be expressed on reducing the speed limit around schools to 30kmph – but there has been nothing posted on the ‘Time to Talk’ website yet, so let’s start the community discussion here.

I think 40kph is slow enough – I do not want the speed limit to be dropped to 30kph as that is just too slow and unnecessary, and we may as well make drivers get out of their cars and push their cars past a school zone.

I would prefer to see permanent speed cameras erected at all school zones, and more prominent flashing lights visible during school zone times.  These initiatives will deter drivers from speeding (as we all see what happens at the permanent red light camera locations on our roads – the cars slow down until they get past the camera then speed up again).  Any revenue collected from speeding fines in these zones should be fed directly back into education initiatives.

I also wish the speed limit around schools would be limited to two periods per day when the children and entering and leaving school rather than for the entire period from morning to afternoon.

What’s Your opinion?


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GM2617 8:33 am 11 Aug 15

Finally, the ACT Government has posted a “School Traffic Safety Survey” on Time to Talk (TTT) website BUT the 4 simple questions provide no opportunity to submit any free text comments like the ones being shared in this topic. While I write to TTT to find out how to submit more detailed feedback, and highlight to them that there are loads of comments on this site, Iwill continue to share observations here

agent_clone 7:17 pm 10 Aug 15

creative_canberran said :

agent_clone said :

I have to say, if I have sped through a school zone it is more than likely that it is because I do not normally drive during school hours so the school signs blend into the background and are generally ignored, I have to conciously remember that it is school zone hours so I do need to slow down. Flashing lights during school zone enforcement time would be a lot more effective.

I would also have one more issue with the dropping of the speed to 30km/h. Cruise control in cars (so you don’t accidentally go over the 40 and can have your foot over the brake) don’t start until it is 40km/h increasing the likelyhood of speeding especially as it is already easy to go over the speed at 40km/h.

If you can’t see road signs and you can’t maintain a vehicle at 40, you shouldn’t be driving. Hand in your licence.

I’m perfectly capable of maintaing 40km/h of doing both and do so almost every day without cruise control, for that matter I do seem to notice signage changes more than a number of other cars I see on the road and actually obey the speed limits…

The cruise control simply makes it a lot easier to maintain the 40 and makes it so there is one less thing to be concentrated on. The issue with the school zones is not that I don’t see the 40 signs, its that I don’t normally drive past a school during the hours when the school zones are applicable, so therefore I don’t see the 40 school zone signs and immediately think 40km/h here right now. I do however frequently drive past a school zone out of hours which compounds this effect.

Zan 6:52 pm 10 Aug 15

Having just spent a couple of week in an aged pensioner units between a school and kindergarten on a busy street, it is very difficult trying to leave during zone hours. I think the poor old pensioners would never get out of their driveway if the limited was lowered.

cbrmale 4:46 pm 10 Aug 15

Tooks said :

rosscoact said :

cbrmale said :

As well as driving my car I also have a motorcycle, and it will be almost impossible to ride that motorcycle at a steady 30km/h. The snatchy nature of a fuel injected engine coupled with no engine flywheel, motorcycle engines don’t have flywheels, would require me to ride in first gear (yes) for, in some school zones, kilometres at a time. That would be all but impossible. Being air-cooled it would also suffer from serious overheating in hot weather, so I will have no option but to increase speed in order to use second or third gear.

My response to this farce will be made at the next election, which can’t come soon enough.

Really? You overheat in the 50-100 metres of a school zone? And you cannot maintain a steady slow speed?

Check this out http://www.stayupright.com.au/

Agreed. That is absolutely absurd. Hand in your licence, forthwith!

Motorcycles typically use speed density fuel injection coupled with narrowband lambda sensors, and low-speed throttle snatch happens when the fuel mixture control transitions from lamda sensor to the EFI air fuel ratio map. That is the engine transitions from closed-loop to open-loop states, and this gives an awful jerk. In the case of continual low-speed riding in first or even second gear, the engine will transition between closed-loop and open-loop almost continuously, jerking every time it does so. Out of low speed roundabouts the snatchy or jerky EFI transition state can be bypassed by using a higher gear and momentarily slipping the clutch, but this isn’t an option for riding through school speed zones at low speeds with the throttle barely open and the fuel injection hunting between the two different fuelling states. When riding through car parks at low speeds one solution is not to slip the clutch but to alternate between clutch engagement and clutch dis-engagement. You pick up speed and then pull the clutch lever in and let the motorcycle coast until speed drops, and then re-engage the clutch and pick up speed again and then pull the clutch lever in and let it coast some more. This type of riding isn’t an option for dealing with lengthy school zones.

The transition from closed-loop to open-loop is exacerbated by the engine having no flywheel at all. Having no flywheel means acceleration and de-acceleration responsiveness is instant, which is good for open road riding but really bad for low speed riding. Put the two together: an EFI system which is jerky just off idle with an engine with no flywheel, and it becomes all but impossible to ride at a steady slow speed.

All modern motorcycles are fuel injected to pass emissions requirements and many suffer from low speed throttle snatch. Due to space limitations it’s usually not possible to have mass airflow type fuel injection and wideband lambda sensors as used in car fuel injection systems.

Once most motorcycles get to about 40 km/h and typically third gear, the throttle will be open far enough to mean that fuelling is exclusively from the EFI air fuel ratio map, and this means there will be no further problems with throttle snatch or jerkiness.

creative_canberran 4:43 pm 08 Aug 15

agent_clone said :

I have to say, if I have sped through a school zone it is more than likely that it is because I do not normally drive during school hours so the school signs blend into the background and are generally ignored, I have to conciously remember that it is school zone hours so I do need to slow down. Flashing lights during school zone enforcement time would be a lot more effective.

I would also have one more issue with the dropping of the speed to 30km/h. Cruise control in cars (so you don’t accidentally go over the 40 and can have your foot over the brake) don’t start until it is 40km/h increasing the likelyhood of speeding especially as it is already easy to go over the speed at 40km/h.

If you can’t see road signs and you can’t maintain a vehicle at 40, you shouldn’t be driving. Hand in your licence.

gooterz 8:37 pm 07 Aug 15

I guess they still haven’t found that B that hit the kid the other day?

Whats to say if someone doesn’t follow the: not hitting people road rule, the not running off after an accident road rule that they will follow the 30km/h one instead?

You just know that this government would have us drive at 30km/h everywhere if it didn’t get them kicked out of office the next day.

agent_clone 5:09 pm 07 Aug 15

I have to say, if I have sped through a school zone it is more than likely that it is because I do not normally drive during school hours so the school signs blend into the background and are generally ignored, I have to conciously remember that it is school zone hours so I do need to slow down. Flashing lights during school zone enforcement time would be a lot more effective.

I would also have one more issue with the dropping of the speed to 30km/h. Cruise control in cars (so you don’t accidentally go over the 40 and can have your foot over the brake) don’t start until it is 40km/h increasing the likelyhood of speeding especially as it is already easy to go over the speed at 40km/h.

Tooks 2:48 pm 07 Aug 15

rosscoact said :

cbrmale said :

As well as driving my car I also have a motorcycle, and it will be almost impossible to ride that motorcycle at a steady 30km/h. The snatchy nature of a fuel injected engine coupled with no engine flywheel, motorcycle engines don’t have flywheels, would require me to ride in first gear (yes) for, in some school zones, kilometres at a time. That would be all but impossible. Being air-cooled it would also suffer from serious overheating in hot weather, so I will have no option but to increase speed in order to use second or third gear.

My response to this farce will be made at the next election, which can’t come soon enough.

Really? You overheat in the 50-100 metres of a school zone? And you cannot maintain a steady slow speed?

Check this out http://www.stayupright.com.au/

Agreed. That is absolutely absurd. Hand in your licence, forthwith!

Antagonist 12:51 pm 07 Aug 15

People who speed in the current 40 zones will only do the same in a 30 zone. This will just be another piece of silly nanny-state legislation that treats the symptoms of the problem, rather than the cause of the problem.

In contrast to other observations, I have noticed that people who do *NOT* have school-aged children are most likely to speed through school zones. And don’t even start me on speed humps throughout Tuggeranong that busses and 4WD can straddle and avoid (the vehicles I would like to see slowed down the most!), while every other car is reduced to a crawl to climb over them.

tim_c 4:00 pm 06 Aug 15

blandone said :

The government is concerned by the number of drivers speeding through school zones, so they propose to reduce the speed limit? Let’s reduce it to 30/Kph, that’ll stop em! (or slow them down..) Honestly, who thinks this stuff up?

Exactly. People aren’t obeying the law, so let’s make it even more restrictive! (then we’ll probably just have a higher proportion of people disobeying)

NoImRight 2:01 pm 06 Aug 15

GM2617 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Permanent cameras perhaps provided by the school that post video of offenders with their speed on a website that shames them may have some impact?

I like this idea, but doubt that public School’s will have any additional funds to implement this initiative. At least it would highlight the real number of speeding vehicles and full extent of the problem. Also provides video evidence of any other traffic / pedestrian incidents within the school zone.

I saw a program in the UK where Police waited at school zones and waved over speeders. The police had students from the schools with them. The drivers then had to explain to the students why they were speeding and apologise. It may have put a human face on the reason for school zones for drivers who apparently are indifferent to anyone else but themselves.

GM2617 5:46 pm 05 Aug 15

wildturkeycanoe said :

Permanent cameras perhaps provided by the school that post video of offenders with their speed on a website that shames them may have some impact?

I like this idea, but doubt that public School’s will have any additional funds to implement this initiative. At least it would highlight the real number of speeding vehicles and full extent of the problem. Also provides video evidence of any other traffic / pedestrian incidents within the school zone.

poppy 5:07 pm 05 Aug 15

No doubt there will be a “trial”, the trial will be labelled as a success (without evidence) and this will become law.

cbrmale 3:48 pm 05 Aug 15

Holden Caulfield said :

Not withstanding cbrmale’s point about professional couriers etc, FWIW…

1km @ 60km/h = 60 seconds
1km @ 40km/h = 90 seconds
1km @ 30km/h = 120 seconds

Maybe in some of his examples that extra time means a lot, for most of us, it doesn’t.

If you add up the school zones, the construction sites with 40km/h speed limits, the town centres now with 40km/h speed limits and you’re a courier doing more than 200km a day, yes these ongoing speed limit reductions compound to make a significant difference in the time it takes to drive around this city. In my case it was pathology couriers, and unless blood is transported promptly then test accuracy can be compromised, which puts individual’s health at risk.

It is especially frustrating when you have a route which follows the same streets three times in a day, and three times you slow to a crawl for kilometres at a time and yet there is not one single school-aged child in sight. I drove all of the routes, and driving along these deserted streets at a 40 for no reason drove me batty. And I did get subjected to a lot of road rage, but I was in a work car and I had no choice.

Holden Caulfield 9:18 am 05 Aug 15

Not withstanding cbrmale’s point about professional couriers etc, FWIW…

1km @ 60km/h = 60 seconds
1km @ 40km/h = 90 seconds
1km @ 30km/h = 120 seconds

Maybe in some of his examples that extra time means a lot, for most of us, it doesn’t.

wildturkeycanoe 8:35 am 05 Aug 15

milkman said :

house_husband said :

How about they just enforce the rest of the road and parking rules around school zones first? Drivers who park on footpaths and block visibility, fail to give way, park in disabled spaces, drive the wrong way down one way roads, veer onto the wrong side of the road, etc.

This. No point in making new rules when we don’t enforce the ones we have now.

+1, enforcement is the problem. Until the offenders are busted and made to realize the error of their ways by monetary exchange, they will continue to speed through any zone.
Permanent cameras perhaps provided by the school that post video of offenders with their speed on a website that shames them may have some impact?

milkman 7:04 am 05 Aug 15

house_husband said :

How about they just enforce the rest of the road and parking rules around school zones first? Drivers who park on footpaths and block visibility, fail to give way, park in disabled spaces, drive the wrong way down one way roads, veer onto the wrong side of the road, etc.

This. No point in making new rules when we don’t enforce the ones we have now.

Innovation 10:41 pm 04 Aug 15

I can’t believe I’m typing this but 40km/h should be slow enough! A few days ago, I saw that several drivers were able to stop in plenty of time when a child lost their soccer ball and ran out in front of cars at a school crossing.

The problem seems to be speeding drivers. Lowering the speed limit won’t fix this problem. Dramatically increase the penalties (including for road rage or tailgating) will improve things. Regular driver testing will help too. As a last resort, traffic calming measures such as single lane chicanes would be a better alternative to lowering the speed limit even further.

I agree too with others here that 40 km/h in College school zones is ridiculous. Many of the students at those schools drive themseleves so it seems bizarre to assume that they don’t have enough road sense to cross a normal road.

Aeek 9:14 pm 04 Aug 15

South Australia has had 25 km/h school zones ANYTIME children are present for years.

HiddenDragon 6:55 pm 04 Aug 15

The only thing surprising about this proposal is that the limit is not to be reduced even further (in time, no doubt, it will, when it fails to make any practical difference).

Beyond that, it is yet another example of the “Government knows best and the public can’t be trusted” regulatory mentality which is suffocating this town.

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