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By johnboy 13 February 2013 52

29 delegate street

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bleebleeblee 1:30 pm 15 Feb 13

Beau Locks said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Some neighbours are just nothing short of arseholes.
Can you imagine living next to this? Can you imagine trying to sell?
Is it any wonder neighbours come to blows?

And WildTurkey? That’s the lamest troll from you yet.

You surprise me Al! Actually, I can imagine living next to Warren. I know the people that own the house next door. He’s a lovely bloke and a great neighbour.

Bam! And… end thread.

460cixy 11:53 am 15 Feb 13

Any one have his number I have a 12 volt waeco fridge that needs repair I’m thinking he might be the man. I lost his card with number ect

bearlikesbeer 11:16 am 15 Feb 13

I wouldn’t leave fridges and washing machines in my front yard. I’d be worried about local kids or pets climbing into them, or tipping them over.

Beau Locks 11:06 am 15 Feb 13

Gungahlin Al said :

Some neighbours are just nothing short of arseholes.
Can you imagine living next to this? Can you imagine trying to sell?
Is it any wonder neighbours come to blows?

And WildTurkey? That’s the lamest troll from you yet.

You surprise me Al! Actually, I can imagine living next to Warren. I know the people that own the house next door. He’s a lovely bloke and a great neighbour. His yard wasn’t a consideration for my friends when they bought.

He’ll also do you a great deal on a fridge (I’ve bought two over the last twenty years) and repair things for a fraction of the price of a commercial outfit. If this was happening in some other city people would think it adds to the overall character (and indeed utility) of the place. Personally I think it’s more admirable and generally productive for Warren to be providing the good folk of c-town with cheap recycled whitegoods than it is for the RA interweb agit propers to be bleating from their behind their keyboards.

bleebleeblee 10:38 am 15 Feb 13

devils_advocate said :

bleebleeblee said :

keeping the neighbours’ house values down?! i doubt it in kaleen but if so then think of fridge guy as a natural check on prices – the first home buyer’s friend. personally i think warren and whatsername sound like they have some pluck – no bad thing in neighbours, and they’d be able to fix your fridge for you.

By that rationale we should be thanking violent criminals and arsonists for having the courage to place downward pressure on house prices around their suburbs. However, on balance I think the harm this kind of extreme behaviour poses far outweighs any collateral benefit in terms of reducing asset prices.

I don’t see violent criminality/arson as in any way comparable to having a running dispute with ACAT about a front yard, myself. Try as I might I can’t understand the outrage about this. What exactly is the “harm” caused by seeing white goods on a lawn? It’s an annoyance, maybe, if you’re that troubled by what someone else does with their yard. Yes it’ll keep Delegate from taking out Neat Street of 2013 but a bit of live and let wouldn’t hurt.

OLydia 7:11 pm 14 Feb 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Call the scrap metal guys who do free pickup in return for not paying you anything and give them the address. Problem solved.

Sorry, there’s no free metal pick up in the ACT anymore. In fact your have to pay THEM to pick up the scrap.

devils_advocate 5:49 pm 14 Feb 13

bleebleeblee said :

keeping the neighbours’ house values down?! i doubt it in kaleen but if so then think of fridge guy as a natural check on prices – the first home buyer’s friend. personally i think warren and whatsername sound like they have some pluck – no bad thing in neighbours, and they’d be able to fix your fridge for you.

By that rationale we should be thanking violent criminals and arsonists for having the courage to place downward pressure on house prices around their suburbs. However, on balance I think the harm this kind of extreme behaviour poses far outweighs any collateral benefit in terms of reducing asset prices.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 5:26 pm 14 Feb 13

TailgaterHater said :

Seems every suburb has one. In Duffy it’s at 22 Tullaroop Street where the guy has a backyard panel beating business, unfortunately it’s in his front yard! When you look at the place, you have to wonder how good his work might be if his maintenance to his property and the fact that he obviously has complete disrepect for his unfortunate neighbours is any guide? Seems he parks half wrecked and unregistered cars up and down the local streets too, very considerate to the locals!

Looking through street view, Duffy seems to be the loser, especially mirrool st. One house that seems to rival the house in op and one disgustingly huge what appears to be a spray booth for cars.

I wonder what would happen of these places got reported? Same as kaleen?

Duffbowl 4:20 pm 14 Feb 13

devils_advocate said :

Billy_Shears said :

Love these new tourist attractions – can we get a list of 100 together and send it to the Centenary people?

I want a tour bus, not unlike the real kramer tour of new york. I would gladly pay for my international guests to see this aspect of our nation’s capital, just for the LOLS.

Many moons ago, there was a bus tour that operated from Queanbeyan/Harman that did this very thing. Pat’s Uninteresting Tours.

Unfortunately, by the time I arrived at Harman in 1990, it was done and dusted.

GardeningGirl 3:28 pm 14 Feb 13

Grrrr said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

It’s just a home business repairing whitegoods.

He’s too tight to rent/buy himself a shed somewhere industrial like he’s supposed to, and he’s clearly got a requirement for it due to more than a garage worth of business.

So you can tell us all you want about how nice he is to customers, but he’s still a jerk to anyone that lives near him.

+1

Robertson said :

All in all, there’s a lot of slop there, as well as a healthy dose of extremely anal upper-middle-class petty white-picket-fence mentality and the conditions of ACT leaseholds should be rewritten to provide better protections for leaseholders. privacy from government interference.

I haven’t read it yet, but I gotta say, if I wanted to live in something that looks like Fyshwick instead of leafy suburbia I’d live in Fyshwick and I’d feel discriminated against if somebody tried to change the neighbourhood I’d bought into into something completely different to what it started out to be. On the other hand there is those multistorey terraces in Gungahlin with commercial ground floors as an example of something a bit different for Canberra so I reckon there’s completely potential for providing small business people with appropriate affordable places to live and work without them having to leave dumps of stuff right in the middle of suburbia.
This is getting as bad as the cyclist threads. There’s room for ALL of us, but it has to be done with some consideration for the needs of ALL.
Going to read links now.

Rollersk8r 3:13 pm 14 Feb 13

liability said :

WARREN GARDNER & JULIE BEAVER v ACT PLANNING AND LAND AUTHORITY, if you want some light reading about the efforts that ACTPLA have been through in an attempt to have it cleaned up.

http://www.acat.act.gov.au/judgment/view/4381/title/warren-gardner-julie-beaver

2. Clean up the leasehold and keep it clean by removing items including, but not limited to, whitegoods, parts of whitegoods, lawn mowers, parts of lawn mowers, motor vehicles, parts of motor vehicles, trailers, parts of trailers, tyres, sheet metal, metal poles, oil drums, bicycles and parts of bicycles; and

bleebleeblee 3:10 pm 14 Feb 13

keeping the neighbours’ house values down?! i doubt it in kaleen but if so then think of fridge guy as a natural check on prices – the first home buyer’s friend. personally i think warren and whatsername sound like they have some pluck – no bad thing in neighbours, and they’d be able to fix your fridge for you.

devils_advocate 2:46 pm 14 Feb 13

thatsnotme said :

Robertson said :

…the conditions of ACT leaseholds should be rewritten to provide better protections for leaseholders….

You realise that goes both ways right? Or do the rights of a white collar leaseholder who’s unlucky enough to live next door to a blue collar worker who’s decided to turn their home into a mini-industrial estate take a back seat in your view?

I read that as recognising the need for balance in terms of the leaseholder that owns the land and the leaseholders surrounding it. But I could be wrong.

In any case, it’s normally not *discrimination* against blue-collar jobs per se, but just the fact that things such as panel beating, large durable goods repair (or more to the point, storage), automotive spray-painting, and hydroponic progagation tend to impose larger costs on the neighbors than ‘white collar’ or more discreet home businesses, such as web design, management consulting, or prostitution.

thatsnotme 2:00 pm 14 Feb 13

Robertson said :

…the conditions of ACT leaseholds should be rewritten to provide better protections for leaseholders….

You realise that goes both ways right? Or do the rights of a white collar leaseholder who’s unlucky enough to live next door to a blue collar worker who’s decided to turn their home into a mini-industrial estate take a back seat in your view?

Watson 1:47 pm 14 Feb 13

Skidbladnir said :

liability said :

WARREN GARDNER & JULIE BEAVER v ACT PLANNING AND LAND AUTHORITY
http://www.acat.act.gov.au/judgment/view/4381/title/warren-gardner-julie-beaver

What a nice insight into the ACT Public Service…
Despite these tenants having received tidy-up orders roughly every 18 months for twenty years and each time dragged kicking-and-screaming into eventual compliance (and as a result being almost singularly experienced with the requirements of tidy-up order compliance), the residents claimed the requirements of a tidy-up order were now too broadly-defined to be enforced by anybody except the resident without significant invasion of personal liberty, and as a result impaired their ability to conduct activities (such as a home business), so the expansive requirements of the Tidy-Up Order were a violation of their privacy this time?

Even if you accept their rigidly cross-referenced definitions (of businesses, home business, structural confies of storage, etc) or the fact that poeple at ACTPLA decided to explicitly identify sub-items which needed to be removed nstead of the original “Its all crap and get rid of it please” orders they had been receiveing (and accepting) for years, some incompetent at ACTPLA decided to respond to them as legitimate equals instead of intentional repeat offenders.

That was way more eloquently put than my comment, though we came to similar conclusions.

Watson 1:44 pm 14 Feb 13

One of the arguments the property owners used in the court case was that ACTPLA’s instructions to remove clutter from the place were not specific enough because they did not describe in detail what needed to be removed. There’s also the argument that “clean” is something entirely different from “tidy” (my interpretation of the proceedings).

The magistrate did seem to agree with the wording of the order being too vague, but didn’t think it was enough grounds to accept the owners’ request for a review of the order.

The owner also tried to argue that he wasn’t running a business but than voluntarily gave examples of selling goods from his house. I think he claimed only to be selling goods cheaply to low-income earners. He claims he also does work for charities, which is nice. But it’s just the wrong place to be doing this from. Surely some charity could offer him some space somewhere where he wouldn’t annoy the neighbours?

Skidbladnir 1:36 pm 14 Feb 13

liability said :

WARREN GARDNER & JULIE BEAVER v ACT PLANNING AND LAND AUTHORITY
http://www.acat.act.gov.au/judgment/view/4381/title/warren-gardner-julie-beaver

What a nice insight into the ACT Public Service…
Despite these tenants having received tidy-up orders roughly every 18 months for twenty years and each time dragged kicking-and-screaming into eventual compliance (and as a result being almost singularly experienced with the requirements of tidy-up order compliance), the residents claimed the requirements of a tidy-up order were now too broadly-defined to be enforced by anybody except the resident without significant invasion of personal liberty, and as a result impaired their ability to conduct activities (such as a home business), so the expansive requirements of the Tidy-Up Order were a violation of their privacy this time?

Even if you accept their rigidly cross-referenced definitions (of businesses, home business, structural confies of storage, etc) or the fact that poeple at ACTPLA decided to explicitly identify sub-items which needed to be removed nstead of the original “Its all crap and get rid of it please” orders they had been receiveing (and accepting) for years, some incompetent at ACTPLA decided to respond to them as legitimate equals instead of intentional repeat offenders.

Robertson 1:11 pm 14 Feb 13

devils_advocate said :

From my very quick skim of this case, it seems like ACTPLA issued a notice to remedy, the leasholders applied to ACAT for review, and the tribunal dismissed the application on the grounds it was frivolous and vexatious (in turn, on the grounds it was foredoomed to fail). So I presume the order is still in force or otherwise valid, and if it wasn’t complied with there should be some other proceedings in train.

As for the previous 20 years (since 1994) it seems as if the approach to enforcement/administration was a bit inconsistent, as was the behaviour of the leaseholders. In some cases it seems like they actually complied, more or less, with what was required; in other cases consent orders were reached, presumably because the leaseholders offered a resolution that was acceptable to PALM/ACTPLA or whatever it was called at the time; and for whatever reason they thought the applicants would comply.

I took three other things away from reading this:

1. You are permitted to conduct a business on a residential lease provided the business occupies an area of no more than 40 metres. This is repeated twice within the decision, so it isn’t a typo.
Two problems with this:
a- “40 metres” is not an area.
b- Clearly, this discriminates very heavily against blue-collar occupations.

2. You are permitted to conduct your business provided it isn’t visible from outside the lease.
Again, two problems:
a- as Google shows, it isn’t possible to conduct such a business that is invisible unless it is entirely indoors
b- This discriminates very heavily against bluye collar occupations

3. Your business has to be conducted in approved structures on your lease
a- “approved structure” includes “fence”
b- they didn’t to interpret “in”

All in all, there’s a lot of slop there, as well as a healthy dose of extremely anal upper-middle-class petty white-picket-fence mentality and the conditions of ACT leaseholds should be rewritten to provide better protections for leaseholders. privacy from government interference.

TailgaterHater 11:30 am 14 Feb 13

Seems every suburb has one. In Duffy it’s at 22 Tullaroop Street where the guy has a backyard panel beating business, unfortunately it’s in his front yard! When you look at the place, you have to wonder how good his work might be if his maintenance to his property and the fact that he obviously has complete disrepect for his unfortunate neighbours is any guide? Seems he parks half wrecked and unregistered cars up and down the local streets too, very considerate to the locals!

devils_advocate 11:10 am 14 Feb 13

Billy_Shears said :

Love these new tourist attractions – can we get a list of 100 together and send it to the Centenary people?

I want a tour bus, not unlike the real kramer tour of new york. I would gladly pay for my international guests to see this aspect of our nation’s capital, just for the LOLS.

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