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Trades licensing 500% increase

By wildturkeycanoe 11 September 2011 60

I just found out that tradies in Canberra have been screwed over by ACTPLA, again. Upon renewal of my licence today, instead of paying the expected $84 renewal fee, I almost fainted when told it is now $450!! That’s over 5 times more than 2 days ago, when the apparent transition period finished.

Apart from the fee increases applying to plumbers, gas fitters and electricians, which none of my co-workers or employers are aware of, the reasoning by ACTPLA is even worse.

Upon stumbling onto the page on their website that advises of the increases, one of the reasons stated is to bring parity to license costs across Australia. Well, a quick search showed that our neighboring states have license fees at least half of what ACTPLA are now charging, for up to 5 year periods instead of 3.

No consultation, a massive slap in the face of our building trades and a dumb reason for doing it. This has got me on the warpath and I hope to find someone out in RiotACT world to back me up and see if we can reverse this blatant attempt at grabbing money from a monopoly who just writes their own rules without scrutiny.

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wildturkeycanoe 9:06 pm 14 Sep 11

Jethro – Apology accepted. I guess infinity can be a bit daunting. I deal with both extremes in a day, sometimes infinity is a good thing, sometimes anything close as possible to zero is best. That’s how confusing being a tradesperson is.

Jethro 8:52 pm 14 Sep 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

Jethro – Don’t quote someone saying something when they didn’t say it! “according to you teachers are bludgers who work 9-3 and spend most of their time on holidays.”
Otherwise, I might quote something you said that won’t be appropriate on this forum.

Sorry, you are right. I went to find the quote from a previous thread, but it wasn’t you who said it. I 100% take that back.

wildturkeycanoe 8:42 pm 14 Sep 11

Jethro – Don’t quote someone saying something when they didn’t say it! “according to you teachers are bludgers who work 9-3 and spend most of their time on holidays.”
Otherwise, I might quote something you said that won’t be appropriate on this forum.

Jethro 8:21 pm 14 Sep 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

Still everyone just throwing bigger dirt clods over the fence, but the question remains. Is an increase this big, this suddenly, not only legal but ethical? Has such a stunt been pulled by anyone else in the past?

As I said earlier, teacher registration costs have been introduced this year. From last year’s cost of $0, it now costs $100 a year to be a teacher. By my calculations this is an increase of infinity %, which is infinity more than 500%.

Of course, according to you teachers are bludgers who work 9-3 and spend most of their time on holidays.

wildturkeycanoe 8:11 pm 14 Sep 11

Still everyone just throwing bigger dirt clods over the fence, but the question remains. Is an increase this big, this suddenly, not only legal but ethical? Has such a stunt been pulled by anyone else in the past?

matt31221 7:07 pm 14 Sep 11

The cat did it said :

Stop grizzling- that license gives you a government-granted monopoly to ply your trade. And it’s tax deductible.
A fully qualified electrical engineer, whose understanding of matters electrical is light years beyond that of the average electrical tradie, can’t so much as legally move a lightswitch because he/she doesn’t have that license. The monopoly that the license grants you is very valuable.

Light years beyond, don’t think so mate!

The trade course is pretty bloody intensive and you actually get practical hands on experience actually working with electricity. I know that to understand electricity completely would take several lifetimes and I am not pretending to be an expert. But how can you have a great understanding of something you don’t actually work with practically? Theory is one thing but actually being there with it and actually experiencing how it reacts. In an electrical apprenticeship you learn alot about the construction industry and how it functions – how to work with other trades and work with building materials. They teach you the practical methods of installation, it takes the whole four years just to get a grasp on it. In the engineering degree they do not teach you the practical methods to actually build a safe working electrical system with your own hands, just to design it – and they are two different things. I have seen DIY work done by electrical engineers and I had to pull it all out and start from scratch. I am not putting anyone down I am just saying that engineering and trade are two different professions.

Chop71 11:23 am 14 Sep 11

blah – pay $500+ to do a security course or $1000+ for a HR and drive a truck for a living.
pretty simple jobs that require a similar payment. I am also sure you would earn a bit more than than those professions and think that it would be a reasonable cost of doing business.

djk 9:25 am 14 Sep 11

matt31221 said :

Firstly a nurse IS A TRADE. And secondly I stand by my statement %100 percent. Perhaps actually get some work experience working in the building industry before making that comment, because you obviously live in fantasy land.

On what basis is a nurse a trade? Because you put it in CAPS? As stated above, you do a degree in nursing, which would make it a profession by most reasonable measures.

Also I do work in the building industry. We all see “Australia’s hardest working people” taking their smoko break, their lunch break, and then knocking off at 4 every day and heading to the pub. Ask carers or nurses or even child-care workers how many regulated breaks they get in a day.

Just because you do manual labour (or hard work) does not make you hard working.

Postalgeek 8:07 am 14 Sep 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

And people wonder why tradies don’t show up on time – sheesh!!

Now that’s one thing that does mystify me. Nowadays tradies have mobiles surgically attached to their ears, but many remain totally incapable of notifying the people paying for them and waiting on them of their delay.

wildturkeycanoe 5:37 am 14 Sep 11

To The Cat That Did It & DUB – “I agree with others, who mentioned that renewals ARE tax deductible.Get over it, tradies, nothing to complain about, you even get GST input credits for fuel and rego..”
For a contractor, yes, but for an hourly rate plumber,sparky, a/c mechanic NO. There is no monopoly when you’re in a fixed hourly rate under an enterprise agreement. They only get the usual deductions, of which only 30% comes back and no input credits. Subbies have it different to wage earning tradies. A subbie may charge up to $100 per hour, a wage earner gets anywhere between $25-38/h. Big difference.
As for the comments about the fee being static for a long period, what would you think if the politicians suddenly raised our decade long rate of GST from 10% to 20% before Christmas. Would you sit back and say “oh well, I guess it was due to go up sooner or later..” , or the income tax for all middle class Australians jumped from 30% to 50%?? Moderate increases compared to subject of debate, but I’m sure you’d take offense and raise your voices in protest.
00davist – Tradies will only tailgate you the length of the parkway if you sit in the right hand lane doing 90km/h and don’t let them pass. And people wonder why tradies don’t show up on time – sheesh!!

Cassandra 11:03 pm 13 Sep 11

Looks to me like the fees have been changed to make is the same for all the trades if you look at the actual instrument http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2011-174/current/pdf/2011-174.pdf the fees for builders has dropped from over $1100 to $450 so rather than a grab for more money it looks like there trying to get some equity between all the trades so everyone pays the same. Why should a sparky be able to pay $85 for three years and a builder have to pay $1100 to get the same bit of plastic where’s the fairness in that?

Keep looking the instrument has stuff going in both directions some have gone up some at least it’s to everyone fair now.

The cat did it 10:52 pm 13 Sep 11

Stop grizzling- that license gives you a government-granted monopoly to ply your trade. And it’s tax deductible.
A fully qualified electrical engineer, whose understanding of matters electrical is light years beyond that of the average electrical tradie, can’t so much as legally move a lightswitch because he/she doesn’t have that license. The monopoly that the license grants you is very valuable.

thatsnotme 10:22 pm 13 Sep 11

matt31221 said :

Firstly a nurse IS A TRADE.

I’m pretty sure the many people who have taken up the PROFESSION of nursing would disagree with you there.

I’ve got nothing against tradies – my dad is one, and I know that I’ll never work as hard as he does – but please don’t go lumping everyone who has any type of manual labour as part of their job into the tradie category. The years of University study nurses undertake before being qualified doesn’t automatically equate to the training a tradie undertakes.

p1 10:02 pm 13 Sep 11

I never figured why there was so much “us and them” between trades and, ummm, us.

I am amazed at how hard some of my friends work for the money they get. I am also amazed at some people I know that seem to hate their job (or there pay), yet make zero effort to do anything else.

Personally, I think people who work in aged care get the worst deal.

matt31221 9:12 pm 13 Sep 11

djk said :

matt31221 said :

Yeah go on and knock the HARDEST working people in Australia.

I am sorry but tradies are not even clost to the hardest working people in Australia. Off the top of my head, nurses (and similar staff) likely work much longer and worse hours for less pay, in a much higher pressure environment, with “customers” who are undoubtedly at their worst. Plus there is no possibility to open your own hospital after a number of years and make really good money in order to make up for the years of not great money.

I am sure rioters can come up with a lot more harder working professions.

(Not trying to bash tradies here as I agree most work hard doing things others would not really like to do, but the quoted statement is ridiculous.)

Firstly a nurse IS A TRADE. And secondly I stand by my statement %100 percent. Perhaps actually get some work experience working in the building industry before making that comment, because you obviously live in fantasy land.

And @Even James, we ALL are real Australians you twit. Every job has it’s place, some are harder than others. I was simply sticking up for the Trades because there aren’t many tradies on Riotact to defend themselves.

DUB 12:35 pm 13 Sep 11

I agree with others, who mentioned that renewals ARE tax deductible.Get over it, tradies, nothing to complain about, you even get GST input credits for fuel and rego..
🙂

EvanJames 12:15 pm 13 Sep 11

matt31221 said :

Yeah go on and knock the HARDEST working people in Australia.

Ah, tradie worship. The cult of the High-Vis vest. The REAL workers, the REAL australians. yep.

thy_dungeonman 11:25 am 13 Sep 11

Okwhatever said :

The attitude of non trades persons towards tradies can be disgusting sometimes. Somehow the work of a non tradie is always worth more than the work of a tradesman, and they will always expect to earn more because there is somehow less skill/intelligence/effort involved? Do it yourself or shut your pie-hole I say. I Have a trade qualification and although I dont practice that trade anymore and work in an office most of the time I still respect what they do.

Some tradies may try to overcharge you but that is a common theme in society whether you are talking about a retail outlet or a plumber, caviet emptor as usual. Ok now just sit back getting paid to post on RiotAct some more.

“caveat emptor” sorry to be pedantic, but as a University Classics student the only official qualification I will ever have is to correct Latin.

00davist 10:59 am 13 Sep 11

cross said :

Their bad rep probably stems from their bad driving. Ever had a tradies ute tailgate you the whole length of the Parkway

YES!

djk 10:52 am 13 Sep 11

matt31221 said :

Yeah go on and knock the HARDEST working people in Australia.

I am sorry but tradies are not even clost to the hardest working people in Australia. Off the top of my head, nurses (and similar staff) likely work much longer and worse hours for less pay, in a much higher pressure environment, with “customers” who are undoubtedly at their worst. Plus there is no possibility to open your own hospital after a number of years and make really good money in order to make up for the years of not great money.

I am sure rioters can come up with a lot more harder working professions.

(Not trying to bash tradies here as I agree most work hard doing things others would not really like to do, but the quoted statement is ridiculous.)

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