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Weston fatal

By johnboy - 17 September 2013 53

ACT Policing is investigating a fatal collision which occurred in Weston this afternoon (Tuesday, September 17).

Around 1.45pm police were called to the intersection of Streeton Drive and Namatjira Drive in relation to a collision.

A man driving a black Subaru Impreza was travelling in a southerly direction along Streeton Drive and an elderly woman driving a silver Hyundai Getz was turning right onto Streeton Drive from Namatjira Drive when the cars collided.

ACT Ambulance attended the collision but unfortunately could not revive the woman and she died at the scene.

The 33-year-old man driving the Subaru Impreza was taken to The Canberra Hospital with minor injuries.

The intersection of Streeton Drive and Namatjira Drive is closed and ACT Policing is asking members of the public to avoid the area during their commute home.

ACT Policing is asking anyone who witnessed the collision and is yet to speak to police to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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Weston fatal
magiccar9 8:51 am 18 Sep 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Obviously the WRX couldn’t have been at fault as the Getz has to give way if turning right onto Streeton Dr.

While I wouldn’t go as far as saying for sure that the WRX wasn’t in the wrong, it certainly looks like the Getz has failed to give way. From media I saw the front of the WRX was mashed in, which indicates he hit the side of the Getz head on. I don’t think the reduced visibility of the rain was a factor either as the WRX would have hit at close to the full speed limit – judging from the damage – which would indicate the Getz pulled out at the last minute, in which case she would have been able to see any kind of vehicle.

In my opinion there isn’t anything wrong with this intersection, people just need to wake the f**k up and pay attention. The visibility when leaving this road is ample for anyone with a brain in their head to be able to pull out safely. Even when it was dual lane (before they decided to put in the worlds widest cycle lane), one could easily manage to get across the two lanes Namatjira without trouble.

IrishPete 8:45 am 18 Sep 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Obviously the WRX couldn’t have been at fault as the Getz has to give way if turning right onto Streeton Dr. There are thousands of intersections in Canberra, you always give way to traffic coming from your right [and your left if you are entering a T-intersection] so visibility or driver error could be the only things I can see as possible causes. Very sad for both people concerned and the family.

No, speed of the car in the Subaru’s situation could potentially be an issue – one pulls out on the assumption or judgement that an oncoming car is doing a certain speed, and if it was doing 200km/h then the other driver’s calculations would be wrong. You mightn’t even see a car coming if it was doing that speed as it would be so far away.

Loss of traction by the Getz (wheel spinning in the wet), maintenance of one or both cars, the list goes on and on. There are numerous potential contributing factors.

I am not making any inferences about the cause of this particular accident, but one should never close one’s mind to any potential factor. They need to be assessed objectively. Police seem to jump on speed very quickly, so I am not convinced they are objective.

I heard a senior Victoria police officer interviewed on the radio about the Wheels stunt, and he was incoherent. Not with rage, he was just incoherent. Raving on about speed without actually addressing the point that Wheels were trying to make (which is that those speeds are legal on overseas motorways, and there’s a possibility, borne out in the Northern Territory, that lower speed limits can result in more accidents, the mechanism being fatigue).

IP

thebrownstreak69 8:38 am 18 Sep 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Obviously the WRX couldn’t have been at fault as the Getz has to give way if turning right onto Streeton Dr. There are thousands of intersections in Canberra, you always give way to traffic coming from your right [and your left if you are entering a T-intersection] so visibility or driver error could be the only things I can see as possible causes. Very sad for both people concerned and the family.

Sad but true. The Getz was supposed to give way, but didn’t. The reason for this will probably never be known.

I’ll a +1 to turning your lights on in poor weather.

wildturkeycanoe 6:56 am 18 Sep 13

Obviously the WRX couldn’t have been at fault as the Getz has to give way if turning right onto Streeton Dr. There are thousands of intersections in Canberra, you always give way to traffic coming from your right [and your left if you are entering a T-intersection] so visibility or driver error could be the only things I can see as possible causes. Very sad for both people concerned and the family.

screaming banshee 6:46 am 18 Sep 13

goggles13 said :

house_husband said :

So why is speed the first thing they mention? When will the police get over this almost Pavlovian desire to mention speed when anything bad happens on our roads?

judging by the response to an article in this month’s Wheels magazine, never.

sadly as a result of the press release, the Subaru driver is going to be seen as the likely cause of the accident. is it any surprise in-car cameras are becoming more common?

I think it is time that such press releases simply stated facts, not opinions to protect the innocent.

Please do tell, which part of the press release is an opinion.

IrishPete 2:37 am 18 Sep 13

house_husband said :

So why is speed the first thing they mention? When will the police get over this almost Pavlovian desire to mention speed when anything bad happens on our roads?

If you were to engage in speculation over the cause I’d venture to say that the colour of the Subaru combined with poor conditions and driver inattention are the most likely causes.

Because if neither car had been moving, there wouldn’t have been accident. Hence speed is always a factor.

But it just demonstrates the simplistic approach that our policy makers, and their flunkeys (in this case the police) have to everything.

Just like the person who simplistically implies that headlights shouldn’t matter. I once pulled out into the road and had a car run into me. It was pitch dark, though there were some streetlights, and the other car didn’t have their lights on. The driver didn’t even argue – it was 100% his fault. There was only minor damage done, I didn’t care about the scratches on my bomb, so we went our separate ways.

I drive with my lights on all the time, whether I’m in my bright red car, or my white 4wd with steel bullbar that will probably just plough straight through you if you pull out in front of me. It’s not hard to do, and it reduces risk. There are no excuses for not doing so.

I watched some pretty dodgy driving yesterday in the rain – from the Vic plated car in the right hand lane all the time, well under the speed limit (and when the road widened and there was another lane to her right, she went into it – this on a road with no right turns for kilometres). Or the elderly couple who were just all over the place. I actually checked the accident photo to see if I recognised their car (but it wasn’t them). Or the guy who switched lanes suddenly in front of me approaching a junction, apparently oblivious to the fact that braking distances increase hugely in the wet, especially in a 2.5 tonne 4wd with mud tyres.

IP

Northbourne Ultimatu 1:25 am 18 Sep 13

This is the second fatal accident that I’m aware of at that intersection. Roads ACT identified this as dangerous intersection and in 2009 the intersection was modified so that there was only one Southbound lane. A form-on-lane section was added further North on Streeton Drive, traffic islands were installed and they painted a very very wide bike lane on the road.

The Weston Creek Community (WCC) council was rather upset about this. They managed to get Jon Stanhope, Tony Gill and Gary Byles down to the intersection one morning (2009-02-19). I happened to walk by the roadside meeting so I stopped to see what was going on. Tony Gill was trying to explain to the WCC reps that the intersection was dangerous and that Roads ACT felt that making it one lane would improve the safety. The WCC reps were very upset that one of the car lanes had been turned into a bike lane. They claimed it impeded the flow of traffic, that the line markings were confusing and that they felt it didn’t make the intersection any safer. The WCC seemed to miss the point that having to cross one lane was safer than crossing two and that a bike lane was just a convenient thing to do with the extra few meters of road.

Shortly after that the WCC got their way – the bike lane was removed and replaced with a very wide left turn lane (the turn lane is now wider than the southbound lane). The change made no difference to the traffic flow but it removed the easy target for complaints.

I do hope they find a way to improve the safety of the intersection. What does it need, traffic lights, reduced speed limit?

Interestingly there was a pedestraian fatality less then a year ago about 100m from this intersection on a different road. What’s going on down there… just an unfortunate coincidence or are there common elements in the accidents?

Lillypilly 12:52 am 18 Sep 13

I fine it really unfortunate that two out of the three ways into Coleman court has now taken lives.

For a brief time, years ago I rented in the flats near that intersection. When it was double lane southbound, you’d often hear the hard crunch of people thinking that its ok to cross from Namatjira into Streeton because of the car turning left, hiding the car going head on.

Nevermind the crunches of people crashing, again turning out from Namatjira, into from nth travelling streeton folks turning in and it’s hard to tell they’re in the slip lane to turn into namtjira cause the grass is often high obstructing the signal lights of the car.

Turning it into a form one lane before that intersection has worked to a degree but won’t hold. The intersection will only get worse as Molonglo develops, that the Weston servo is the only one servicing 5 suburbs and the roadworks will inevitably end and more traffic, again uses that route.

TL;DR Seen the carnage, surprised it took this long for a fatality, expect more bad accidents unless until they seriously revisit that intersection

Aeek 12:14 am 18 Sep 13

c_c™ said :

miz said :

A sad reminder to people who drive black, silver and blue cars – PLEASE turn on your lights in wet weather, as you are almost invisible to other drivers . . .

Less visible relative to white, yellow and red vehicles, but hardly almost invisible. What’s scare is that there are people on the road whose eye sight is that poor.

Many reds are low vis too. It’s not just eyesight, its also bothering to notice what your eyes see.

goggles13 10:32 pm 17 Sep 13

house_husband said :

So why is speed the first thing they mention? When will the police get over this almost Pavlovian desire to mention speed when anything bad happens on our roads?

judging by the response to an article in this month’s Wheels magazine, never.

sadly as a result of the press release, the Subaru driver is going to be seen as the likely cause of the accident. is it any surprise in-car cameras are becoming more common?

I think it is time that such press releases simply stated facts, not opinions to protect the innocent.

c_c™ 10:31 pm 17 Sep 13

miz said :

A sad reminder to people who drive black, silver and blue cars – PLEASE turn on your lights in wet weather, as you are almost invisible to other drivers . . .

Less visible relative to white, yellow and red vehicles, but hardly almost invisible. What’s scare is that there are people on the road whose eye sight is that poor.

miz 10:07 pm 17 Sep 13

A sad reminder to people who drive black, silver and blue cars – PLEASE turn on your lights in wet weather, as you are almost invisible to other drivers . . .

bigred 7:51 pm 17 Sep 13

Where to start? An old lady still driving? Was the WRX speeding? Crap intersection design?

house_husband 6:07 pm 17 Sep 13

“Police will be speaking to the driver of the black Subaru to ascertain his version of events. It’s certainly too soon to speculate if speed was a factor, or the weather conditions, but it is a stark reminder for all Canberrans to drive to the conditions.”

So why is speed the first thing they mention? When will the police get over this almost Pavlovian desire to mention speed when anything bad happens on our roads?

If you were to engage in speculation over the cause I’d venture to say that the colour of the Subaru combined with poor conditions and driver inattention are the most likely causes.

mtb_rider 5:38 pm 17 Sep 13

I drove past this accident around 2pm and it didn’t look pretty. We’ve had a family member knocked off a bicycle at this location. The intersection is an accident hotspot and I’ve seen or been involved in several near misses. Also driven past many accidents here. Now… a fatality. Many in the community have been calling for upgrade options for several years. It is most unfortunate that another has now been added to ACT statistics. Perhaps something will finally be done to fix up this area. My thoughts are with the persons and families concerned.

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