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Your taxes: Luxury public housing for teen mum?

By babeeshka - 1 March 2011 69

I wonder when people make decisions that end up providing one single mum with three places to go to the toilet if they consider that only too often the people they are taxing to provide for it often live in less ideal circumsances. Where is the sense of proportionality?  Why should bad life decisions be rewarded with what, given the ACT govts policy of life long tenancy, is equivalent to winning the lottery?

Personally I  live with a crappy cupboard sized bathroom which serves two adults and two kids. 

Below is an excerpt from the sale of a property similar to that given to one young mother I know know whose only distinction in life is to get pregant twice to different fathers at an early age.  Her long-term unemployed boyfriend is provided with separate housing.  He wants a “large family” and with 3 children between them already (two to different partners) they are working towards another one (she actually sadly just lost a baby). 

I wouldn’t mind if it wasn’t planned to be entirely at the expense of  our taxes, which in the inner north are becoming unaffordable.  Tenants aren’t excempt because your landlord is now paying in the vicininty of $6000 towards the ACT govt in land tax (this is passed on to you or your landlord will soon sell).

Where does this sense of entitlement come from?

THIS IS AN EXCERT FROM A SALE OF A PROPERTY SIMILAR TO THAT PROVIDED TO ONE SINGLE MOTHER BRAND NEW.

“Enjoy luxury living with this superb like new, beautifully appointed terrace style townhouse positioned on the end.

“From the moment you enter this stunning energy efficient, light filled three bedroom, ensuite residence that presents like new, you will be captivated by the feel, look and style on offer. North facing to the rear and featuring stunning separate formal and informal living areas, terrific kitchen with stone bench tops and first class fixtures and fittings. Each of the lovely bedrooms feature built in robes with the huge master boasting a large balcony and spacious ensuite with double size shower. Other features include extensive tiling, quality carpets, double garage with remote control door, exquisite bathrooms and a powder room downstairs, all which add to the appeal of this fine townhouse. The large outdoor area is just fantastic with an expansive lawn area, ample room for entertaining plus plenty of room for the kids and pets. Set in a quiet location with a brilliant outlook to both Mount Majura and Mount Ainslie. Walk to schools, shops, transport, Farmers market at epic and the reserve whilst still being only minutes to the city. Just move in and enjoy this stunning home.”

This is not meant to be a general judgement on public housing or those in public housing but to provide a personal specific example of what has occured in the ACT on our watch

What’s Your opinion?


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Your taxes: Luxury public housing for teen mum?
georgesgenitals 4:51 pm 01 Mar 11

p1 said :

Erg0 said :

I looked into it, and it turns out that my taxes are all spent on street lighting and public parks. I feel sorry for the people that have had their taxes earmarked for the “bludging housing public tenants” budget.

Best post ever. How do I get my taxes assigned to pothole repair and shopping trolley inspectors?

Don’t you mean shopping trolley police?

Mothy 4:25 pm 01 Mar 11

shadow boxer said :

That seems to cover the essentials, where does the other 33% go ?

Enjoy, table starts on Page 6

Erg0 4:25 pm 01 Mar 11

shadow boxer said :

That seems to cover the essentials, where does the other 33% go ?

Hookers and blow.

shadow boxer 4:17 pm 01 Mar 11

That seems to cover the essentials, where does the other 33% go ?

Mothy 4:07 pm 01 Mar 11

breda said :

The traditional right to stay in the residence in perpetuity is another issue. Who can forget the highly paid MLA sitting in an old public house in ritzy Yarralumla, paying a ‘market rent’ based on the age and dilapidation of the house rather than the market value of the land, and legally entitled to continue for ever? She eventually was forced by public opprobrium to move, but there are many like her who recognise that they would be mad to enter the real market when they are on such a good thing, even if they are now paying something approaching a market rent.

That is why although the ACT has one of the (if not the) highest proportions of public housing of any jurisdiction, as well as the highest incomes, so many truly needy people are on waiting lists for years.

No argument with that. Wish there was a reliable statistic though on what proportion of housing is abused in this fashion.

Erg0 said :

I looked into it, and it turns out that my taxes are all spent on street lighting and public parks. I feel sorry for the people that have had their taxes earmarked for the “bludging housing public tenants” budget.

Ditto Erg0.

At 1.9% of 2010-2011 ACT Budget appropriations, housing ain’t the biggest sinkhole for my taxes.

* 23.9% Education and Training
* 14.5% TAMS (Hello streetlights! Hello lawnmowers in the Park!)
* 25.6% Health & Hospitals

p1 3:37 pm 01 Mar 11

Erg0 said :

I looked into it, and it turns out that my taxes are all spent on street lighting and public parks. I feel sorry for the people that have had their taxes earmarked for the “bludging housing public tenants” budget.

Best post ever. How do I get my taxes assigned to pothole repair and shopping trolley inspectors?

Chop71 3:17 pm 01 Mar 11

@ #7 Yup

breda 3:16 pm 01 Mar 11

The trouble with public housing as it is currently set up is that it is often a poverty trap. 25% of the income of a long term social security recipient (such as someone on a sole parent pension) is so far removed from the real market price that it is a strong disincentive to leave if it can be avoided.

The traditional right to stay in the residence in perpetuity is another issue. Who can forget the highly paid MLA sitting in an old public house in ritzy Yarralumla, paying a ‘market rent’ based on the age and dilapidation of the house rather than the market value of the land, and legally entitled to continue for ever? She eventually was forced by public opprobrium to move, but there are many like her who recognise that they would be mad to enter the real market when they are on such a good thing, even if they are now paying something approaching a market rent.

That is why although the ACT has one of the (if not the) highest proportions of public housing of any jurisdiction, as well as the highest incomes, so many truly needy people are on waiting lists for years.

colourful sydney rac 2:57 pm 01 Mar 11

Pommy bastard said :

You think it’s bad here, you should see the state of play in the UK.

Should make them sleep in parks should they?

Heavs 2:57 pm 01 Mar 11

What Mothy said.

Pommy bastard 2:52 pm 01 Mar 11

You think it’s bad here, you should see the state of play in the UK.

Mothy 2:29 pm 01 Mar 11

Can’t help but want to pull out a lot of the adjectives that the Real Estate agent has put in there;

townhouse
energy efficient
three bedroom, ensuite residence
North facing to the rear
separate living areas
kitchen with stone bench tops
built in robes
master w balcony and ensuite w double size shower
tiling, carpets, double garage with remote door
outdoor area
Walk to schools, shops, transport

Right, so we’ve established that its a townhouse then. And its newish. On that front, can you see the logic in DHCS including in their portfolio of properties under management a range of new and old properties – since doing so means that over the long term the replacement of their available housing stock can be smoothed out, and maintenance costs are kept at a manageable level (assuming newer properties need less maintenance than old)?

On your “three places to go to the toilet” piece, lets just accept that a recently built property is going to have more than one WC in it, and also accept that housing are not custom building “one toilet” properties, just buying (or part funding the construction of) available stock. So that it has resale value, it makes sense to buy what exists.

On the property being “given” to her, please note Tenants of Housing ACT pay either a maximum of 25% of their income in rent, or the market rent, which ever is lower.

On the “sense of entitlement” – please expand on where this comes from, because on the information currently provided, it simply seems you are projecting onto the tenant something you have yourself – you feel entitled to judge how she came to be in the circumstances that qualified her for the housing placement, entitled to decide what is proportional, entitled to pay less tax, and indignant that she, not you, is entitled to multiple locales in which to place her leavings.

Erg0 2:04 pm 01 Mar 11

I looked into it, and it turns out that my taxes are all spent on street lighting and public parks. I feel sorry for the people that have had their taxes earmarked for the “bludging housing public tenants” budget.

jsm2090 1:32 pm 01 Mar 11

We live in a development in Braddon, and have had to deal with a similar situation where the dregs of society are given free reign of a newish property to take drugs, drink, dump rubbish in communal areas, do burnouts and generally trash the place while deserving DHCS tennants patiently wait in the queue. Of course people have a right to housing, but not at any cost. The system in place needs to be reviewed.

Vuxacha 11:44 am 01 Mar 11

It’s ridiculous, I have a cousin who has got 2 kids with a 19 year old girl, he hasn’t worked in years, and she hasn’t ever worked.

All they do is sit at home taking drugs and drinking, and everything is handed to them. I have family that’s leeching it, so I understand just how bullsh!t it is that they get all this at our expense.

And yeah, they feel they deserve more.

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