3 May 2012

Your thoughts wanted on Immigration Place

3 May 2012 | johnboy

The National Capital Authority is asking for your feedback on the successor to Immigration Bridge.

Our working title of Immigration Thing has for some reason been rejected and instead we’re being offered Immigration Place.

Immigration Place Australia (IPA), proponent of the monument, is asking the community to help identify important issues to be considered and addressed in the design brief. It is anticipated a national design competition for the monument will begin in the coming months.

IPA hope that Immigration Place will become a place for all Australians to meet and reflect on our immigrant past and the contribution migrants have made to the diversity, significance, culture and changing values of Australia.

The NCA is undertaking the consultation and assessment processes as an adviser to the Canberra National Memorials Committee (CNMC).

“IPA is required to obtain CNMC approval of their design brief before conducting a design competition,” said Gary Rake, NCA Chief Executive.

“Public comments received during the consultation period will be considered in preparing the competition guidance materials.

“The NCA has advised IPA that the design must respect and complement the existing landscape, built environment and context of the area; and take careful account of all heritage values of the area,” he said.

The CNMC has approved a site adjacent to the National Archives of Australia in the Parliamentary Zone for the development of an immigration monument.

You can let them know what you think on the NCA’s consultation page.

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Pandy9:09 am 06 May 12

A 30 high metre one of these would be good:

http://www.stockpodium.com/en/image-photo-8520022/A-stop-sign-in-Arabic-and-English-of-the-kind-used-in-Qatar-and/

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd8:16 am 06 May 12

I-filed said :

I’ll never forget footage of Iranian Australians barracking for Iran instead of Australia at a World Cup soccer match between the two countries. That was so wrong!
I think Australia’s multiculturalism policy has been damaging. Encourage ethnic groups to maintain their culture by all means – as a SECOND tier to identifying as Australian first & foremost.

When did you last see Iranian-Americans backing Iran over America, or Italian-Americans backing Italy over America? The Americans – for all they get wrong – benefit from their nationalism at the level of national pride. They are American first & foremost – and that allows the whole country to sidestep a whole lot of race issues.

I could make a huge list of people I personally know who are of ethnic origins who were born here yet barrack for the country their parents are from over Australia. What sort of ignoramus are you?

milkman8:00 am 06 May 12

The problem is not immigration, it’s having the law enforced appropriately.

There are criminals from all backgrounds.

poetix11:24 pm 05 May 12

Stevian said :

I-filed said :

I’ll never forget footage of Iranian Australians barracking for Iran instead of Australia at a World Cup soccer match between the two countries. That was so wrong!
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As an Australian born and bred, I always barrack for anyone but Australia in any sporting event. A right our forefathers fought and died for, it would dishonour their sacrifice not to exercise it.

Well played sir! (I’m not supporting you though, I hope you understand.)

It’s a free country. Most of us will support Australia, but you can’t expect a recent arrival to forget her or his homeland straight away. Try supporting a different country in North Korea. You won’t get far beyond the stadium. Here you can support Iran, England (yuck) or New Zealand (smirk, although admittedly, they did do well in Tasmania in the cricket last summer) should you so desire. That’s a good thing, not something to be mourned.

(And in the US, there are many Mexican-Amercans who will support Mexico against the US in football, at least in the men’s game. Yet it’s these same people helping develop the sport in that country.)

Stevian6:57 pm 05 May 12

I-filed said :

I’ll never forget footage of Iranian Australians barracking for Iran instead of Australia at a World Cup soccer match between the two countries. That was so wrong!
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As an Australian born and bred, I always barrack for anyone but Australia in any sporting event. A right our forefathers fought and died for, it would dishonour their sacrifice not to exercise it.

Deckard5:40 pm 05 May 12

I-filed said :

When did you last see Iranian-Americans backing Iran over America, or Italian-Americans backing Italy over America? The Americans – for all they get wrong – benefit from their nationalism at the level of national pride. They are American first & foremost – and that allows the whole country to sidestep a whole lot of race issues.

What a load of crap. Have you even been to the US?

What do you think of all the kiwi’s living here going for the all blacks? Or all the poms living here going for England in the ashes.

I-filed4:45 pm 05 May 12

I’ll never forget footage of Iranian Australians barracking for Iran instead of Australia at a World Cup soccer match between the two countries. That was so wrong!
I think Australia’s multiculturalism policy has been damaging. Encourage ethnic groups to maintain their culture by all means – as a SECOND tier to identifying as Australian first & foremost.

When did you last see Iranian-Americans backing Iran over America, or Italian-Americans backing Italy over America? The Americans – for all they get wrong – benefit from their nationalism at the level of national pride. They are American first & foremost – and that allows the whole country to sidestep a whole lot of race issues.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:57 am 05 May 12

Sandman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

People used to say the same things about Chinese and vietamnese immigrants, but Australia did not implode or explode because of them, just like it won’t be ause of Arabs of Africans. These refugees are not going anywhere, as it’s the vocal minority that is against them. Most peeps are happy for them to be here.
If you are a racist POS, then leave. I’d rather have 100 refugees to one of you.

And while the first 2 groups you mentioned integrated with society and opened up restaurants serving delicious cheap food in our RSL clubs and local shopping centres, the other 2 follow a trend towards offending society, holding up our RSL’s and shooting each other at our local shopping centres.

Not racism, just a cultural observation.

Can you provide evidence that all, hell I will make somewhat easy for you, a quarter of Arabs and Africans that immigrate here are violent, gang raping criminals?

Walker5:09 am 05 May 12

As an immigrant I don’t dislike the idea but I don’t care for it a great deal either, at least not something too grandiose. Canberra is indeed full of monuments already.

Would as soon give the money away to some other cause like educating skin heads to read and write, or perhaps explore new and exciting font types for their stickers.

No stuff that, better gone to the salvos, they actually work at making the world a better place.

Besides, we already have the snowy mountain scheme. Doesn’t get any more monumental than that.

Deckard1:02 am 05 May 12

Darkfalz said :

bearlikesbeer said :

When a group of Sudanese teens covered in scars, one limping from a shattered pelvis when he was 8, and wearing Salvos clothes but brand new Nikes confronts me outside Westfield, I prepare myself for more than just a one-on-one fist fight. These guys come from a place where life is cheap.

Well said. I would add that many of the cesspools of the world are so largely because of the genetic makeup of the people who live there. Look at how SA and Zimbabwe degenerated within a few years of black rule after thriving under whites. The evolution of the human brain was not equal in all areas of the world due to different environmental stresses and geneflow, and hence some people will struggle to adapt to a modern society regardless of what help they receive. It’s a sad but real fact of life. So there’s a cultural and genetic element as to why some people cannot integrate and end up preying on societies like ours rather than contributing to them. The difference between them and local scum is that we didn’t have to import the local scum. The new wave is different to the Asians or European immigration – both people who have a proven work ethic, where the fear was not of becoming victims, but of being out-competed. We didn’t have gangs of Chinese gang raping women or forming flash mobs to rob or assault. Don’t kid yourself, a country built on one type of immigration CAN become undone by another type.

Hahaha you racist c***!! Go back to your Daily Telegraph comment sites you idiot.

Why don’t you comment on the thread with the white guy who drove through a red light killing an innocent person? Or wasn’t his blood pure enough for you?

neanderthalsis9:23 am 04 May 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

neanderthalsis said :

… All you hear about in the news is about crimes being committed and the perpetrators using their religion or ethnic upbringing as a defense. Try talking to some of these people who try to assimilate to our way of life and they have no idea how to converse in English. The ones that do know, I can’t understand because of their accent.

… But gradually our way of life is being overrun by the need to cater for every nationality in the world. Signage and instructions for almost everything now has to be in multiple languages, yet the ones reading still don’t follow the rules. …

Our country is losing it’s identity and we are just a nation waiting to be divided into pieces, just like America, where we pander to the cultural needs of everyone except ourselves.
P.S. “Get outta me country, it’s full”

If you watch ACA or today tonight you would get the impression that the country is being overrun by Arabs & Sudanese who Threaten Our Way Of Life (TM) or the Indian and Chinese students who come over here and steal our jobs at the local servo on the midnight shift.. The same arguments were made in the past about the Irish, the Greeks/Italians, the Vietnamese and the Samoans. I grew up in an area that had a huge influx of Vietnamese migrants in the early 80’s and we saw them living in isolation from the rest of us, speaking their own language, buying shops from the previous Greek or Italian owners and upsetting our nicely white suburbs. As an impressionable teen, I wanted them to bugger off back to where they came from and I even voted for Pauline in 1996… Later I learned the joys of a proper spring roll and decided that I was wrong. Now the second and third generation of these groups are integrated into our society, they speak good “Aussie English” and are a welcome addition to society.

The Arabs and especially the Sudanese can be confronting when you see large groups of unemployed youth lurking at a train station, but that also goes for hoodie wearing white kids.

On a recent trip to Japan, I noted that most of the signs including street signs, even away from the major tourist areas, are in Japanese and English. Now Japan lets in very few migrants, isn’t really a tourist mecca and is generally isolationist in its approach to other nationalities (except for trade), but still sees value in multilingual signage. It is rare here to see signs in multiple languages, even in tourist hot spots. Darra/Inala in Brisbane or Cabramatta are exceptions obviously. Occasionally here in Canberra a shop that caters for specific ethnicities might have multilingual signs, or a hotel may, but again rarely.

wildturkeycanoe10:42 pm 03 May 12

neanderthalsis said :

I think that some razor wire, burnt hulls of Indonesian fishing boats and a large “f&%k off we’re full” sign would appeal to the voting public.

Or we could make a large scale monument and call it Australia. After all, we all came here from somewhere else and the nation on a whole provides ample opportunity for us to display the contribution migrants have made to the diversity, significance, culture and changing values of Australia.

The first thing you said sounded better than the second.
Let’s display some of the recent contributions that immigrants have brought to Australia…
– Violent crimes – a lot of which are between factions/sects/religions of the countries from which these people came.
– Violent crimes – but it’s okay where we come from, it’s our right to do as our religion mandates.
– Increased burden on Australian taxpayers – Yes, now they want to pay these illegal immigrants $300 a week to survive, but we can’t house our own people living on the streets.
– Mini countries within our own – have you been to Auburn lately? I felt like I’d traveled thousands of miles away to a foreign land and didn’t feel the slightest bit at ease or at home.I couldn’t read any of the shop signs in the main street. These people form hubs where they can gradually expand their own culture at the expense of ours.

So, “changing values of Australia” eh? What kind of values are we accepting into our communities? As far as I can see from personal experience, the immigrants to Australia of late are typically keeping to their own cultures, NOT trying to get along with the rest of us white scum. All you hear about in the news is about crimes being committed and the perpetrators using their religion or ethnic upbringing as a defense. Try talking to some of these people who try to assimilate to our way of life and they have no idea how to converse in English. The ones that do know, I can’t understand because of their accent.
Yes, I sound racist, typical drunken Aussie slob who hates anyone who doesn’t like VB and Commodores. I won’t deny that I am when there is good cause, like protection of my countrymen and my family from the problems overseas that gradually creep through the cracks into our society.
No we aren’t perfect, being spawn from convicts and the like, but we held some morals these last couple hundred years that more or less protect the innocent from atrocities. But gradually our way of life is being overrun by the need to cater for every nationality in the world. Signage and instructions for almost everything now has to be in multiple languages, yet the ones reading still don’t follow the rules. Other languages used to be optional in schools. Now they are becoming something necessary, like the government is worried we’ll be overrun by our neighbors and our kids won’t be competitive in the “new world”.
By now I’ve riled up enough people, so I’ll conclude that I am a first generation Australian from immigrant parents and am also married to someone born overseas [totally different cultures from opposite sides of the planet by the way]. My parents adapted to this lifestyle, learned the language and are as fair dinkum as the next bogan. Our country is losing it’s identity and we are just a nation waiting to be divided into pieces, just like America, where we pander to the cultural needs of everyone except ourselves.
P.S. “Get outta me country, it’s full”

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