[First Published on: Nov 12, 2009]
Back in February 2008, amidst the perfume of corruption wafting out of Wollongong, this Daily Telegraph piece revealed that despite having been earlier deemed ‘unsuitable for habitation’ by an expert panel, NSW Planning rezoned Tralee from a $4million dollar rural site owned by Village Building Company, into $200 million dollars of residential land owned by Village building Company.
The principal lobbyist for VBC at this time was Paul Whalan of Endeavour Consulting, former ACT Labor minister, friend of, and campaigner for NSW MP Steve Whan.
A fortnight ago, the Sydney Morning Herald brought word that the dreams of Village Building Company selling 5,000 homes aren’t beyond pulling a fast one on the NSW Planning Minister and using old-school real estate tricks, by organising her site visits to experience the flyover noise on days and times when there are reduced flights.
The SMH article also pointed out that Steve Whan, current NSW Labor member for Monaro and Queanbeyan resident, worked as a lobbyist for Village Building Company prior to being elected, and that despite the CEO of Village Building Company being a staunch member of the Liberal Party, both Steve Whan and NSW Labor have taken ‘donations’ from Village Building Company totalling $90,000.
Today the ABC Online bring us the joyous news that Tralee is far from dead, having been given approval by the NSW Planning Minister, it is now in the hands of the Queanbeyan City council.
With the promise of 5000 new homes built on their soil by Village Building Company (and receiving the ongoing rates thereof) Queanbeyan City Council has today opened the proposal to its public consultation phase.
Since:
1) There’s unlikely to be a caveat for homebuyers that “if you choose to live in house built under the flightpath after the 24 freight hub was announced, you really have no right to complain about aircraft noise”,
2) Any prior admission of problems will greatly diminish the immediate monetary return for the VBC,
3) Queanbeyan City Council will charge rates based on land value,
4) Any Tralee residents will be voters in the highly-contestable Eden-Monaro Federal electorate, rather than the ’safe’ Federal electorates of Canberra or Fraser,
5) Regulation of airports is a Federal responsibility…
Expect collossal shitfights around local, state, and federal election time from now into the forseeable future.
In case you missed it, these are Queanbeyan City Council’s proposed sites.
This is the Gungahlin Community Council’s statement flyer on the Tralee development, and its likely impact on noise sharing for North Canberrans.
[Ed - thought this comment from the Village Building Co deserved more attention on this subject]
From Ken Ineson
Submitted on 2009/11/17 at 11:39pm
In response to the comments posted over the last few days:
Its not against the law to complain about things and I cannot guarantee that people won’t complain. If you look at records of complaints in any city, you will see that complaints are received from virtually every suburb about all sorts of issues. What we will do however is create an environment that fully informs people through notices on titles etc. This will help to minimise the liklihood of complaints and also provides a robust defence against complaints.
Outdoor noise levels in Tralee are substantially less than in may parts of Jerrabomberra and less than half the noise currently experienced by over one million Australians including a large proportion living near curfew free airports. The vast majority of these people are not concerned about aircraft noise. That population of 1 million people turns over continually with people moving from quieter areas into noisier areas without any concern.
Tralee is between 10km and 12 km from the airport and cannot be compared to Marrackville, Twin Waters or housing 3km from an airforce base. Noise levels at Tralee are so low that the Australian Standard does not require internal insulation for most of Tralee even if the airport grows larger than Sydney airport with fights including 747s at 2 minute intervals day and night. We have offered to insulate to provide additional amenity well beyond that provided in any other development in Australia and probably the entire world.
Tralee is close to the Monaro Highway and backgraound noise levels are slightly higher than Jerrabomberra. The background noise level at Tralee is not dissimilar to many perfectly acceptable suburbs around the country with far more aircraft noise than Tralee.
I find it interesting that I havent had a single response to my offer to inspect the site. I guess its much easier to jump on a soapbox while hiding behind a computer.
Number one rule for the development should be: you choose to live there, you live with the aircraft noise. Forever and always. No options.
^^^Does that rule apply to the residents of Hackett, Watson and Gungahlin also?
Only Tralee Jimbo
JimT said :
Well, the previous airport (circa 1922), used to be called ‘Northborne Aviation Ground’, and was located between majura ave and northborne, close to Antill St, which is pretty much where Hackett is now, so yes, that applies even moreso. The airport was there long before any of those 3 suburbs were even suburbs.
Hackett/Watson maybe not as much as they were developed with much fewer aircraft flying around (dozen per month instead of dozen per day), but since Gungahlin was formed, there has always been enough aircraft flying around for anyone to be aware of their presence before buying into the area.
The other issue I had with this development was the main road was going to connect straight onto the Monaro highway. That way all congestion would be moved into the ACT in the morning rather than via Queanbeyan roads…..
I know many people now who complain of aircraft noise in Jerrabomberra. The airport has always been there since Jerra was built.
And the noise is always going to become greater as well. no point arguing about the noise predictions which seems to have occured.
I’m probably wrong Watto, but I was under the impression that one of VBC’s problems was that, while their plans show road access to the Monaro H’way, ACT govt aren’t going to approve it. It should make Tharwa Dr fairly busy in the mornings.
Also…what is “Environa”, As shown on Google Maps at Tralee ?
“You would be a fool to want to live there”. Qwimbo further south.
bd84, I completely agree. It’s on thing to buy a house, then for the flight path to change but if you know before you buy that it is under a flight path, you have no right to complain.
But you know they will anyway and then they’ll move the flight paths and the rest of us will get the noise because we live in safe Canberra seats and they are in Eden-Monaro
Hope you Canberrans enjoy the fruit of your Chief Minister’s labour in putting the gaol next to Jerra…
Stupid subdivision that should not be built. Same as most of Jerra.
What we have is a highly speculative purchase by a developer who bought something with very poor development potential in the hope that they could pull off a rezoning against all odds, then sit back and reap windfall profits. Only the bigger developers can afford the holding costs of trying to pull off this sort of coup. Or extraordinary connections. Or both.
The key ingredient they need is time, because they can always wear down resistance over a number of years, because people just get sick of the fight, or they move elsewhere. And others can be “bought off” by strategic offers of community facilities.
It is an insidious aspect of the development industry that brings it no end of ill repute.
In my personal opinion.
I am the Village Building Co’s project manager for the proposed Tralee development. There is a lot of misinformation being posted on RiotACT and in the media. Anyone who is genuinely interested in the Tralee proposal is welcome to contact me at kineson@villagebuilding.com.au to arrange an inspection of the site. I am happy to take anyone to the site during the morning or afternoon peak periods for aircraft movements, during southerly operations or northerly operations. I have already taken over one hundred people to the site and everyone has said they cannot understand what all the fuss is about.
Ken @ #11,
Thoroughly agree. I have shared my experience, as a Hume businessperson, a number of times on this forum. I have invited the former kingpin of this site to sit at the Hume Canteen, about 200 metres from the edge of Tralee, to experience the (almost total lack of) noise from arriving/departing aircraft. I have not been told if the offer was taken up.
Bottom line – very little aircraft noise over Tralee/Hume. Jerra cops the worst of it already.
I am no apologist for the VBC. But if the noise aint there, don’t try to invent it.
OK, double post.
Could I also invite Sepi, as an advocate of the noisy northern suburbs, to spend an hour or so over a really slow coffee, to also assess the relative noise levels of Hackett (?) versus Tralee/Hume. This is a perfectly serious offer. Sepi is quite knowledgeable about the subject of aircraft noise.
I suspect that there would be little comparison between the two sites.
Environa is a farm property that has been there since days of federation. AFAIK, most of that land was owned by the farm orginally, including Jerra.
pptvb said :
In the 1920s, Environa was intended to be one of the first ‘gated communities’ (the linked article includes drafting plans). Unfortunately the Great Depression meant the project was stillborn.
The entrepreneur behind the venture, Henry F. Halloran, was quite prolific around the ACT and Southern NSW.
An aerial view of the site is here.
Environa will probably return from the dead in the next decade or so, hey?
Ken, besides having friends in Jerra further away from the flight path and complaining about the noise, I have sat at night in the Tralee estate in the car as close as I could under the flight path. The noise is more intrusive than during the day. What the airport wants is 24/7 jet movements into the airport. I can tell you that the lower flying prop craft are more noisey than jets. It wont be long before the residents of Tralee want to impose noise sharing and/or a curfew on the airport. Unlikely given the importance that the airport plays to the pollies.
Will you say this publically: that in your deeds of sale you will place a note that the development is under a flight path and might be subjected to noise and the buyers acknowledge this? If not you are blowing in the wind.
The fuss is about the increased aircraft noise into the future, as the airport expands, and runs freight planes through the night.
A daytime site visit now, is not going to accurately forecast the sleep disturbance of jets overhead at 2AM, ten years from now.
Ken Ineson said :
You will find that most of the people here don’t care either way about the development. If the aircraft noise is acceptable to the people who live there then that is fine. However, should you choose to build there then there should be no ability for the people of this proposed development to complain should the aircraft noise levels change in the future. The condition of the development being built is the acceptance of the current aircraft flightpaths forever.
Ken Ineson said :
Yeah, the media and all of us are all full of hot air, and VBC isn’t……
Ken, if you and VBC are so sure that airport noise isn’t going to be an issue either now or into the future, why don’t you create a contract that all those who choose to purchase in Tralee have to sign that says:
a) They realise and fully accept that they are purchasing a property close to and/or beneath a flightpath and close to a capital city airport; and that they accept all responsibility for their decision to purchase there.
b) They understand that even if the noise isn’t an issue to them now, it may becomes so in the future as the number of flights into or out of Canberra airport increases, and they will not complain, seek to have any noise sharing and/or curfew introduced, or attempt to seek any form compensation from the airport owners, the ACT and/or Federal Govt.
c) They also understand and are fully aware of the dangers of living close to or directly beneath a flightpath, and that they are aware that a high percentage of air accidents occur with a 5km radius of an airport.
I won’t hold my breath awaiting a reply………..
“I have already taken over one hundred people to the site and everyone has said they cannot understand what all the fuss is about.”
Well maybe cause its under a flight path. Having lived in Sydney for 22 years, under a flight path, you dont build under a flight path. Maybe take a trip to Sydney and see what happen to suburbs closer than what I was like Marrickville, houses bought by Fed Govt and knocked down cause of noise.
In this case planes would be diverted around canberra and agree with Bluenomi, canberra is a safe labour seat so you can fly planes over canberra and they will still will win the seats.
Ken Ineson said :
Think long-term Ken. The air traffic corridor will get noisier over years and decades. Placing people under it now will only disturb the residents more later, or more realistically restrict the airport’s capability – a capability that was planned for by selecting a corridor free of development. This just won’t do.
In response to your comments here are some facts to consider:
The housing at Tralee is not under any current or proposed flight path.
A large part of Jerrabomberra has much more aircraft noise than Tralee.
Marrickville has about 100 times more aircraft noise than Tralee.
Tralee has less than one third of the aircraft noise experienced by residents of Double Bay. It has less than half the aircraft noise experienced by more than 1/2 million residents in Sydney and more than 1 million residents Australia wide. Although, due to historic reasons, a proportion of those 1 million people are living in areas that exceed the Australian standard for Aircraft noise, the vast majority are not concerned about aircraft noise. It cannot be argued that most of those areas are unacceptable for housing.
Tralee has less than half the noise of all of those areas and easily meet the stringent Australian Standard for Aircraft Noise even under Canberra Airport’s ultimate capacity projections which assume Canberra Airport will grow bigger than Sydney Airport.
As an additional precaution not required by the Australian Standard, we have offered to insulate all homes in Tralee. Developments approved every year in areas with more aircraft noise in all capital cities in Australia without the additional insulation we have offered to install.
We are also happy to place s.149 notices on Titles for all lots and restrictive covenants that require any future extensions or modifications to be insulated and which also warn residents that the area is subject to aircraft noise.
Recent stories in the SMH and Australian were leaked by Canberra Airport and contained untruths. Both papers subsequently issued corrections.
Are we the only capital City in the world that does not have an international airport?
How embarrassing
BOB WINNELL (Tralee Developer) :”The planes do not come in over this land. One day in seven they depart over this land at a considerable height and noise is not a large issue over Tralee.If you are sensitive to noise, you don’t choose to live on a main road and you won’t choose to live at Tralee.”
“……it should be noted that a departing aircraft will in most cases fly directly over some part of Tralee and the overflown area will experience the maximum levels shown in Table 1”
http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/projectsservices/reports/nfpms/2002/CBR_Aug02.pdf
Then off course there is the continual push by Jerrabomberra Residents Association and one Margret Sachse to have the maximum number of flights take-off/land to the north and to impose other noise reduction measures in aircraft. If it is bad enough for her, then won’t she think of the children of Tralee?
We do have an internatoinal airport. It’s just not viable for many flights to come in there.
The real burning question, though, is what is going to happen to Tralee International Raceway?
No International Airport – just a 24 hour freight terminal
Ken, most people here couldn’t care less that you want to build houses out at Tralee.
What they are concerned about is for the potential for some people who buy there to start complaining about noise from the airport and aircraft movements – and then potentially push for a curfew and noise sharing. You mention that VBC will soundproof the homes being built there (an initiative which I congratulate your company on), but unfortunately soundproofing only works if you are inside – it doesn’t help if you want to sit on the veranda or out in the garden.
As I said, if you are so damn sure that people won’t complain, then put those conditions I mentioned earlier into your contracts.
I can almost guarantee there will be complaints out there. I once lived in a city overseas which allowed developers to build a housing estate on farmland 3km from an air force training base and also near one of its flightpaths. Within about two months of the first homes on the estate being finished, homeowners had begun complaining about the noise to the local council, the air force and in letters to the editor of the local newspapers – and this was about an airfield that at it’s busiest only ever had about 100 movements per day, mostly from light piston engined training aircraft doing “circuits and bumps” between the hours of 8.30am-5pm Mon-Fri, with one night a week during the new pilot training period for night flying training between 6pm and 9.30pm! Within five years the air force had vacated the airfield for a number of reasons – one of which was because the complaints had meant the airfield was unviable as a pilot training ground.
You also mention that areas of Sydney have much greater exposure to aircraft noise – but people in Sydney have always had more exposure to aircraft noise than people in Canberra and Queanbeyan. I’m sure if someone moved from Marrickville to Tralee, they’d think it was paradise; but if someone moved from O’Connor to Tralee, they might suddenly notice an increase in the noise level!
Of course we all understand that Canberra Airport future movement predictions are probably pretty silly – but like VBC, they are a private company trying to make as much money as possible and protect their investments, now and into the future.
Marrickville gets no aircraft flights from 12am to 5am. Canberra is a proposed 24hr fright hub.
The next point is, “in my opinion”, is that all people that live in NSW and benefit from the ACT are freeloaders and the ACT should be expanded another 100km all around it.
Its is the Capital region.
Actually it’ll be win win for Canberra and Tralee. Tralee/Jerra/Queanbeyan votors will prefer a curfew on night freight planes (as a super marginal electorate they’ll get their way). Canberra voters will benefit from that.
If the feds try out their scary story of noise sharing over the ACT (although I can’t see the air lien companies liking the waste of fuel and complex flight paths), then they’ll lose their Canberra seats as well.
It’s not about fair, it’s about voting.
I am not a promotor, developer, shareholder, or resident of north Canberra. I am just a rational guy who sees logic and merit where it lies.
So, has anyone actually looked at the proposed sites?
http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/plansforaction/pdf/QCC_endrsd_res_econc_strat_mapB.pdf
I mean seriously, take a look and you will see that most of the develpment is Googong not Tralee. And not near the flight paths. Sure Tralee (North) and the Poplars were exposed to noise but look at the map, only parts of Tralee (South) and Googong are being considered!
I am indifferent to what gets built but I understand that for Queanbeyan to continue to grow it must go south. It can’t go west due to ACT border, it can’t go north or east due to gorges and mountain terrain so it must go south. South is Jerra, Googong, Tralee, Environa, etc.
Canberra-Queanbeyan is Australia’s 7th largest urban centre so expect noise, from planes to cars to trucks to construction sites! Get over it! Welcome to progress! Welcome to urban life! If you don’t like it move to Yass!
Any noise complaints from the new residents of the future to existing residents in north Canberra of the present would no doubt come from those who suffer the NIMBY syndrome. Some residents are of course more advanced than NIMBY and suffer from BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything). Again, get over it! Stiffling progress is the ACT way and it infuriates me that this city has been over-planned and under-utilised for decades.
btw, as a contrast how do people accept noise living on major roads like Canberra Av or Northborne Av. Do they complain after moving in? I bet not.
P.S. Canberra is technically already an international airport, just not for general public, ie. only for the pollies.
Spot on Evil. I look forward to Mssrs Winnell and Ineson being the first residents of Tralee – as if!
On noiseproofing can I add “and if the windows are closed”. It is a joke to think that we would consign an entire suburb to live in homes for which you can never leave windows and doors open. The greenhouse impact alone of that are stupifying. The only way Tralee residents could be assured of a reasonable lifestyle free of airport noise is if Winnell and Ineson build a Truman Show style bubble over the whole bloody suburb.
Sorry Ken but your claims of new estates in other capital cities is utter rot – there would not be another capital city in Australia that has the night-time ambient noise level Canberra has – essentially zero.
I don’t have to go O/S for an example of new residents complaining about noise. As the local Councillor I experienced it with Lend Lease’s Twin Waters development near the Sunshine Coast Airport, and to be frank we have had exactly the same thing here with Jerra residents – another suburb that should never been approved and about which I protested at the time (letter printed in CT) even though I lived in Queensland back then.
for a city to continue to grow…
i think its about time we abandoned 1/4 acre blocks and lived in accommodation that suits our environment.
why cant qbn or the act for that matter, use vacant or under utilised land within existing urban boundaries. better design, medium density housing would be a better solution that ‘releasing’ more ‘vacant’ farm land or bush so i can have a water feature in my backyard.
who benefits from ‘land releases’ ?
…or maybe it could be like “The Castle” and you could wheel your trolly from the airport
“…..ahhh the serenity”
and the developers could say “I dug a hole” ….. and “Dad, it’s filling with water”
Gungahlin Al said :
Al,
I am a little perplexed as to how you can be of similar opinion to Mr Evil regarding his views on aircraft noise complaints when you have been so vocal and heavily involved in campaigning for a curfew at Canberra Airport through your involvement with the GCC and Curfew 4 Canberra (example: http://www.gcc.asn.au/News/Airport/gungahlin-needs-an-airport-curfew.html).
Perhaps you crusade in an attempt to ensure that the residents of Tralee don’t suffer the same terrible fate as those who bought in Gungahlin and now complain? Noble, but terribly hypocritical dontcha think?
If the opposition to the VBC development was motivated by anything other than jealousy and malice it would be worth considering.
In response to the comments posted over the last few days:
Its not against the law to complain about things and I cannot guarantee that people won’t complain. If you look at records of complaints in any city, you will see that complaints are received from virtually every suburb about all sorts of issues. What we will do however is create an environment that fully informs people through notices on titles etc. This will help to minimise the liklihood of complaints and also provides a robust defence against complaints.
Outdoor noise levels in Tralee are substantially less than in may parts of Jerrabomberra and less than half the noise currently experienced by over one million Australians including a large proportion living near curfew free airports. The vast majority of these people are not concerned about aircraft noise. That population of 1 million people turns over continually with people moving from quieter areas into noisier areas without any concern.
Tralee is between 10km and 12 km from the airport and cannot be compared to Marrackville, Twin Waters or housing 3km from an airforce base. Noise levels at Tralee are so low that the Australian Standard does not require internal insulation for most of Tralee even if the airport grows larger than Sydney airport with fights including 747s at 2 minute intervals day and night. We have offered to insulate to provide additional amenity well beyond that provided in any other development in Australia and probably the entire world.
Tralee is close to the Monaro Highway and backgraound noise levels are slightly higher than Jerrabomberra. The background noise level at Tralee is not dissimilar to many perfectly acceptable suburbs around the country with far more aircraft noise than Tralee.
I find it interesting that I havent had a single response to my offer to inspect the site. I guess its much easier to jump on a soapbox while hiding behind a computer.
I must admit to being one of the ignorant. With all the hype, I assumed Tralee was the area north of Jerra. Surely the noise would be far better than Jerra. I live on a fairly well used suburban thoroughfare, which is seemingly a speedway after dark, and I wouldn’t imagine the aircraft noise be any worse than the motorbikes (either the loud harleys or 10,000+ rpm bikes), hoon-mobiles, and the doof-doof that goes past each day and night.
But take the point that there would be a push to move the flight paths away from a marginal electorate and over southern Canberra
I’ll take you up on the offer to inspect the sites.
The only time Tralee would have noise problems is if the airport has the ILS shifted 5 degrees to the left (approach to rwy35)so it can take B747 etc.. away from Jerra.
So the story in short: if the ILS is not shifted (left) then the big boys wont be able to fly in because of the noise Jerra would get.
What we will do however is create an environment that fully informs people through notices on titles etc. This will help to minimise the liklihood of complaints and also provides a robust defence against complaints.
Ken, that is what many asked for. My hat off to you and to Bob. Good on yas.
Off course it will not stop the complaints, but at least people can turn around around and say “We told you so”.
Chop71 said :
Chop71, can you round up a few mates? Otherwise its just you.
Problem making people aware of it will still mean they will complain, just look at the people of Harrison who bought houses near the proposed wells station extension are complaining. If it was a problem why buy there. The road was always planned there. Same goes with Monash Drive, same residents who complain about aircraft noise, Summernats, Traffic. Should move those people away from Canberra to a new town called Silent town.
And as a resident of Gungahlin, never heard any aircraft so don’t know what people of Gungahlin complain about.
Having only just noticed Ken’s responses since the Riotact update emails don’t seem to be coming through to me here, I’d be willing to take Ken up on his offer of a site visit at some point in the future.
(Although as the author of the above, if I’m never seen or heard from again…)
In my experience, VBC is one of the more unethical and unscrupulous developers that operate within the ACT region.
Ken, you say that the houses will be insulated for noise (despite this not being the Holy Grail solution as discussed above). I’m willing to bet that it will be the cheapest, most ineffectual insulation your company can get your hands on. The quality of VBC construction for their other developments is appalling, why is Tralee going to be any different? For those that want to see an example of their shoddy construction, go take a look at the new West Macgregor development. Everything there is the bare minimum they can get away with and still conform to any regulators. It will be a ghetto in 10 years.
Ultimately though, the question isn’t what the aircraft noises are like at the moment, it’s what they might become in 10, 20, 50 or even 100 years time. Once you build this development there is no going back, we are stuck with it. A little prior planning goes along way. Ken keeps quoting how 1,000,000 Australians live with more aircraft noise every day. The point he glosses over is for the majority of these 1,000,000 the airports have to have a curfew. We are fortunate enough that the airport for our nation’s capital doesn’t need such a curfew, isn’t that worth preserving, if not absolutely necessary now, then for the future?
The fact is we are not short of land in this region. If we were in Singapore, Hong Kong, or even Sydney it would be a different story, we may be forced to make people live under landing aircraft, but not here. Ultimately it comes down to money, VBC received this land cheep because it was under a flight path and then make their fortune by getting it rezoned.
Ken, answer honestly, with all my arguments above taken into account. If you didn’t stand to make a lot of money from this (or your company make a lot of money from this), and you weren’t involved in any way with the development, would you still support it?
Good work Braddonboy. Lets see if Mr Village.B.Co. is a developer for the people or a (should be) pollie in waiting..
Despite all of the arguments and counter arguments presented here, I do feel that Tralee may offer a more affordable option for many Canberra residents who are otherwise unable to afford buying here. Land/houses under a flight path and in close proximity to an airport will undoubtedly (hopefully) be less expensive and perhaps will provide an opportunity for families to actually own property here. Perhaps some families may feel that the extra noise is worth it? If they sign a contract stating that they have no means to complain about noise in the future, and are fully aware of what they are getting themsleves into, then really, who does this development negatively impact? That said – we actually left Jerra because we couldn’t stand the flight noise, but maybe we are just really precious about our sleep.
Problem is, many homebuyers get into such an andrenaline-fueled frenzy when purchasing property, they go with their hearts and superficial attributes such as new kitchen appliances, feature wall, etc, rather than putting their minds to work and logically thinking through all the pros and cons of buying in a particular location.
Even if they’re aware of flight paths or major roads planned nearby these are relagated to the background of decisionmaking as abstracts, and only come as a shock months down the track when, lo and behold, suddenly the new homeowners start noticing and getting annoyed by … you name it … things which seem more real and annoying when they are no longer just on paper. That stainless steel kitchen will no longer looks that crash hot anymore.
You can insist on people doing their research, you can insert caveats into contracts and land titles, but human nature and decades of experience with new developments and homebuyer behaviour suggests Tralee newbies will start complaining and agitating about the noise, or other perceived shortcoming, sooner or later.
Surely it’s better to stop the development now to protect the Traleeites from themselves, the developers’ empty promises, not to mention the wrath of the rest of us. Either that or pass a law relegating citizens of Tralee to second class status and banning them from complaining about anything and everything, for all eternity.
Those arguments of Ken’s about other air noise affected areas being worse will count for nothing when the Tralee residents start complaining. I’ve followed plenty of other battles where the existing noise making venue loses out to the new noise affected residents.
Is Village Building going to cough up some money to fund upgrades to Monaro Highway?
I do find it amusing that Canberra Airport Group have complained about planning processes for Tralee and DFO. I wonder if the irony is lost on CAG.
My main problem with Tralee is that it sounds kinda bogan.
I do agree with much of your argument yellowsnow#47; but any future Tralee home-owners would need to be in a complete media void to not be fully aware of the controversy regarding their future home location. It has been bubbling along in Canberra for years. Ergo – the houses are likely to be quite cheap (comparatively), attracting buyers who would not ordinarily be able to buy a lovely new, if somewhat noisy, home. All future tralee owners will make their purchasing decisions based on full awareness regarding what they are buying into. And if they are prepared to make the purchase anyway, and decide that the noise factor is worth it -well, who am I to stand in their way? Surely if they sign a caveat/contract stating they have no ability to make future noise complaints 9which should be warning enough!), then they won’t have a leg to stand on regarding future noise whinges?