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36 voices in support justify reaching into your car

johnboy 27 March 2009 89

Katy Gallagher has announced that 75% of submissions into her proposal to ban smoking in cars that have children in them were supportive.

With 48 submissions that makes for 36 ayes.

In a city of ~300,000 36 votes in the affirmative seems a teensy bit light to be considered general public support.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like smoking in cars where children are present either. But here we’re going to see road rules applied in an area where there is no road safety issue at all.

One wonders how many other behaviours the Government will take against in future? But it appears this one is full steam ahead:

    ACT Health is now in the process of consulting with the Department of Territory and Municipal Services on measures the Government could take to minimise children’s exposure to ETS in cars.

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Danman 9:34 pm 28 Mar 09

heh – I am always happy to be proven wrong, but google 3rd hand smoke to see the full story to which I refer.

Spam Box 9:13 pm 28 Mar 09

Funny thing is, we both agree that this ‘smoking in cars’ thing is stupid. I’m just trying to find a way to prove that your wrong on the other bit 😉

Spam Box 9:08 pm 28 Mar 09

It helps 🙂

Danman 8:59 pm 28 Mar 09

No worries mate, its the internet – I have thick skin 🙂

Spam Box 8:13 pm 28 Mar 09

Danman said :

proving my point that cessation of smoking in a car is a moot point if its sole intention is to protect children

Yep, if that’s your position fair enough, I agree and apologise. I hadn’t read your previous comments and went on what you said at #80.

Indeed, I am now “googling” will get back to you on that

Danman 7:43 pm 28 Mar 09

proving my point that cessation of smoking in a car is a moot point if its sole intention is to protect children

Danman 7:43 pm 28 Mar 09

For your reading pleasure

Either smoke or do not – there’s no 1/2 way.

Spam Box 7:33 pm 28 Mar 09

Danman said :

Interestingly, research has been done that suggests that smoking whilst away from your children will still effect them as airborne particles get trapped in hair/clothes etc, and they can still be inhaled by young’uns unless you fully wash and change after having a durry.

I think years ago there was alsosome kids who died of asbestosis because their father worked in an asbestos mine, and he contaminated his kids via airborne particles dislodged from his clothes… Same theory here I guess.

I don’t know who done the study nor where you find these results so happy googling 🙂

Why would anybody bother?. You’ve demonstrated a complete lack of understanding already

Danman 7:26 pm 28 Mar 09

Also – (3 post nutbag) I am not an exsmoker nazi type, just putting all the facts upon the table.

What people do to their bodies is their business, as is what I do to mine, hence my choice to cease smoking

Danman 7:23 pm 28 Mar 09

Interestingly, research has been done that suggests that smoking whilst away from your children will still effect them as airborne particles get trapped in hair/clothes etc, and they can still be inhaled by young’uns unless you fully wash and change after having a durry.

I think years ago there was alsosome kids who died of asbestosis because their father worked in an asbestos mine, and he contaminated his kids via airborne particles dislodged from his clothes… Same theory here I guess.

I don’t know who done the study nor where you find these results so happy googling 🙂

Danman 7:18 pm 28 Mar 09

PB Danman, so would you not agree that the cops should step in to intervene if they saw a man beating his kid?

Don’t be daft – of course I would.

I cant see your point however.

Apples/Oranges one may say.

Spam Box 7:00 pm 28 Mar 09

Passive smoking ‘might’ be a problem but it’s a long way down on the list
The amount of time people spend in their cars is a fraction of most peoples day.
The amount of time they happen to have kids in their car is even less.
The chances of anybody taking any notice of this is minimal
The chances of them getting a ticket is even less
The chances that this will curb their behavior is even less

The chances it will make for a good ole “Oh why wont somebody think of the kiddies” rant is extremely high

Nobody is going to change their vote over it getting up

A few “yeah, we did it” types just might

Spideydog 6:36 pm 28 Mar 09

I used to smoke. When I didn’t have a child, I smoked in the house, in the car …. you name it. After having a child, that changed. I stopped smoking in any enclosed space.

Since then I have also given up smoking.

Any person that smokes in a car/house with children (or other non-smokers for that matter) is selfish and as far as I am concerned is assisting in killing them.

pelican 6:30 pm 28 Mar 09

That’s a rather silly comment rawhide. Pollution getting into your vents is an unfortunate consequence of driving cars, however you don’t have to smoke in a car to get the car going but unfortunately we do need petrol.

Just shows how emotive the whole smoking issue is – commonsense goes out the window when defending the indefensible. Those that smoke thinking they have the right to inflict their smoke on anyone anytime. I know not all smokers are like this and over the years smokers have generally got more considerate.

vg 6:09 pm 28 Mar 09

Parking laws are traffic laws and are more about inconvenience, but I see your point

Woody Mann-Caruso 5:59 pm 28 Mar 09

Aren’t all traffic laws ultimately about health and safety? Don’t see any difference between a copper pulling you over for smoking with kids in the car and letting your kids bounce around in the back seat with no seat belts.

Funny how the Labor party gives us more and more laws to ensure our ‘freedom’.

It’s not about our freedom (and freedom to do what, anyway? Poison our kids?). It’s about our kids’ freedom. If parents won’t act in the best interests of their children, then the state must.

Organisations like the Police exist because some people cannot exercise personal responsibility.

+1.

vg 4:02 pm 28 Mar 09

Good point Thumper, and something that people should consider actually is a bigger issue than the one at hand.

Funny how the Labor party gives us more and more laws to ensure our ‘freedom’.

I think smoking with kids in cars is disgraceful, but is this the solution?

Thumper 3:58 pm 28 Mar 09

so would you not agree that the cops should step in to intervene if they saw a man beating his kid?

The difference being that smoking is still legal, well, at least last time I looked it was.

We have bleeding hearts crying out about a ‘stolen’ generation and yet everyone is happy to let the government bring a law as such? What happens if you a serial car smoker? Gaol? Take away the children?

Think very carefully about what you are letting the government do here people.

vg 3:50 pm 28 Mar 09

Organisations like the Police exist because some people cannot exercise personal responsibility.

hax 3:18 pm 28 Mar 09

screaming banshee said :

Please, the health issues caused by smoking would be enough reason in itself to ban the sale of tobacco altogether but the govt would then stand to lose significant tax revenue which it would appear is more beneficial to the govt then healthy citizens paying all the other taxes.

jakez said :

Well you know there is that whole pesky freedom thing.

Some people take that stuff seriously.

Rubbish. There’s no choice in addiction. Sure, they chose to smoke at some point in time but I know many smokers who wish cigarettes were banned outright (unavailable for legal purchase) so they would be forced to stop.

Many people I know smoke even though they don’t actually want to.. where’s the “freedom” in that FFS

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