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36 voices in support justify reaching into your car

By johnboy - 27 March 2009 89

Katy Gallagher has announced that 75% of submissions into her proposal to ban smoking in cars that have children in them were supportive.

With 48 submissions that makes for 36 ayes.

In a city of ~300,000 36 votes in the affirmative seems a teensy bit light to be considered general public support.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like smoking in cars where children are present either. But here we’re going to see road rules applied in an area where there is no road safety issue at all.

One wonders how many other behaviours the Government will take against in future? But it appears this one is full steam ahead:

    ACT Health is now in the process of consulting with the Department of Territory and Municipal Services on measures the Government could take to minimise children’s exposure to ETS in cars.

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36 voices in support justify reaching into your car
jakez 2:27 pm 27 Mar 09

peterh said :

screaming banshee said :

Please, the health issues caused by smoking would be enough reason in itself to ban the sale of tobacco altogether but the govt would then stand to lose significant tax revenue which it would appear is more beneficial to the govt then healthy citizens paying all the other taxes.

I have given up on raising this point, but good on you for doing the same.

Well you know there is that whole pesky freedom thing.

Some people take that stuff seriously.

peterh 2:09 pm 27 Mar 09

screaming banshee said :

Please, the health issues caused by smoking would be enough reason in itself to ban the sale of tobacco altogether but the govt would then stand to lose significant tax revenue which it would appear is more beneficial to the govt then healthy citizens paying all the other taxes.

I have given up on raising this point, but good on you for doing the same.

Deadmandrinking 2:06 pm 27 Mar 09

I actually agree too. If people need to be told not to smoke in cars with kids, then society fails. What adults do around adults, i.e. pubs, should be left to them, however.

ant 2:05 pm 27 Mar 09

If they’re going to do this, it should be for the right reasons: safety on the road.

This thing where it’s for cars with kids only, essentially reinforces the idea (already too present) that the government is more responsible for raising peoples’ children than the parents are.

jakez 2:03 pm 27 Mar 09

Thumper said :

+1 JB.

What will the next regulation be? No smoking in your own home? How about no drinking?

maybe we can install metres so the government can check how long you take a shower for?

Personal responsibility people….

The reason why I can accept the particular position outlined in this thread is that I think personal responsibilty is absolutely fine for adults. I think children are a different matter. They can’t give informed consent.

I don’t particularly like this idea, but I’m not opposed to it (except in terms of some sort of game theory scenario where it is considered conceding ground in a larger war for smoking (or more accurately property rights) freedom).

jakez 1:58 pm 27 Mar 09

That is a failure. 75% is a failure result.

I hate smoking bans in pubs and clubs. I think businesses should be free to place their cigarette cartons wherever they desire. I don’t even agree with the ban on cigarette advertising. I want to legalise drugs.

AND EVEN I AGREE WITH BANNING IT IN CARS WITH CHILDREN.

screaming banshee 1:58 pm 27 Mar 09

Please, the health issues caused by smoking would be enough reason in itself to ban the sale of tobacco altogether but the govt would then stand to lose significant tax revenue which it would appear is more beneficial to the govt then healthy citizens paying all the other taxes.

Reprobate 1:57 pm 27 Mar 09

Won’t somebody think of the children!!!

There, that’s out of the way, it’s now time for rational debate. Or at least discussion on RiotACT.

Thumper 1:54 pm 27 Mar 09

+1 JB.

What will the next regulation be? No smoking in your own home? How about no drinking?

maybe we can install metres so the government can check how long you take a shower for?

Personal responsibility people….

Granny 1:53 pm 27 Mar 09

I think it’s sad that there were only 48 submissions. As I said at the time, all it takes is an email saying ‘Dear Katy, I think blah.’

And that’s all I did. It took about thirty seconds to say, ‘I like option blah’.

As Gungahlin Al says, ‘Decisions are made by those who turn up, young lady!’ (I hope he doesn’t mind me quoting that). But it’s true.

How lazy!!

I am more concerned about what this says about our society than what it says about the government. You can’t say they didn’t ask. And how many thousands of people read this website?

I am in favour of the ban, but that’s not the point for me. Fat, apathetic societies are soft targets.

What’s the point in a democracy, in freedom of speech, if nobody uses it?

Start giving a damn, people!

johnboy 1:48 pm 27 Mar 09
Bam Bam 1:42 pm 27 Mar 09

Anything that targets derro bogan mums and dads has got my vote.

peterh 1:38 pm 27 Mar 09

I don’t smoke in my car. mentioned this several times past. not just for my kids, but for any passenger at all. What i want to know is, how the heck will they enforce it? will it be a police matter? will they have roving inspectors to fine you and confiscate your kids?

Gobbo 1:30 pm 27 Mar 09

I don’t like smoking in cars where children are present either. But here we’re going to see road rules applied in an area where there is no road safety issue at all

This is a health issue rather than a road safety issue.

Secondary smoke and all that ….

caf 1:26 pm 27 Mar 09

The prior RiotACT coverage had a poll on this with 320 respondents – 71% supported banning it to a lesser or greater extent, 22% were agin’ the ban, and 8% didn’t give a fig.

Although both the RiotACT poll and the official submissions are both pretty worthless in terms of a statistical analysis of what the population’s true opinion is, at least they’re in agreeance.

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