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A 23# monitor and a (Decent, not Celeron) laptop for $1300.00

Spam Box 30 July 2009 27

So I need to get a 23# widescreen monitor and a laptop that doesn’t suck, otherwise…well, life is grim to say the least.What’s the best deal out there in Canberra?

What should I look for in terms of specs? (considering I know dick about such things)

I know I dont want a Netbook/Celeron etc.

Basically the best “combined” deal possible for $1300.00 or so.. Little help?

(ps, she’ll kill me if I bugger this up)

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Any Idea’s?


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peterh peterh 9:33 am 31 Jul 09

Skidbladnir said :

Al,

Vista had the same issue for its x32 version (its a 32-bit hardware architectural problem, iirc), Microsoft went so far as releasing a patch for Vista that effectively fudged the figures enough that customers would stop asking by detecting total capabilities of the RAM at loading. (Vista SP1 reports 4Gb as installed, but still only 3.5 ‘available’ less Windows’ requirements).
Desktop copies of WinXP and Vista stick with 4GB caps for driver compatibility.
You can go over 4Gb with software-enabling PAE so long as the system allows for it, extending to 36 bit address size capability, as to just how it all works frankly I just don’t care.

Windows 7 x32 has the same problem, as its an x32 software architecture..

x64 Vista Business\Ultimate could handle around 128Gb of RAM (Windows 7 has an x64 variant also).

(For those desktop IT geeks who are probably raring up to tear strips off me for some perceived slight somewhere in the above, I work in database admin. I really don’t care all that much about desktop support problems except when they’re my own.)

al and skid, if you want a copy of win7 RC, let me know. I have a couple. expires august 2010.

peterh peterh 9:22 am 31 Jul 09

phototext said :

“i have 512mb ram, run a pentium M system, 60gb hdd, office 2007 enterprise, and many other apps. the notebook works just fine. “

And I’m guessing you are running XP as opposed to Vista, which is a lot more demanding of RAM. On XP 1-2 gb is good, on Vista 2-3 gb is good, depending on what you are doing with the machine. Over 3gb is a waste of money in a 32 bit environment though.

RAM is very cheap at the moment and is one of the cheapest options to give a computer a speed boost. Have a look at the Kingston or Corsair sites and use their memory configurator to find what RAM is available for your computer. Another 512mb of RAM would make a huge improvement to how zippy your machine is, especially if you are running several programs at once.

currently testing a wyse terminal with xpe and a nextg card. very noice – no HDD, no need for one, using g.ho.st environment (cloud O/S), via browser.

daddy daddy 9:13 am 31 Jul 09

Dell have an “outlet” on their website

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=au&l=en&s=dfo&~ck=bt

They are already built cancelled orders etc. not always something there but if you keep an eye on it you can get a system about 30% less than building your own. I have bought a couple, 1 desktop ($360 with no monitor, reasonable spec), 1 laptop (15.4 “, dual core 2gb ram DVD burner $680) here and they are great. It may be an exotic colour, there’s a gloss blue one up there at the time of writing, but the internals are all good. Monitors avaiable here as well.

Watch it closely as it is first in best dressed.

Delivery time in both cases was 2 days.

phototext phototext 6:46 am 31 Jul 09

“i have 512mb ram, run a pentium M system, 60gb hdd, office 2007 enterprise, and many other apps. the notebook works just fine. “

And I’m guessing you are running XP as opposed to Vista, which is a lot more demanding of RAM. On XP 1-2 gb is good, on Vista 2-3 gb is good, depending on what you are doing with the machine. Over 3gb is a waste of money in a 32 bit environment though.

RAM is very cheap at the moment and is one of the cheapest options to give a computer a speed boost. Have a look at the Kingston or Corsair sites and use their memory configurator to find what RAM is available for your computer. Another 512mb of RAM would make a huge improvement to how zippy your machine is, especially if you are running several programs at once.

astrojax astrojax 10:34 pm 30 Jul 09

i’m still wondering what a “twenty three hash monitor” is… a very-hungry-for-munchies lizard?

bd84 bd84 9:50 pm 30 Jul 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

@ post #2. I just bought that exact machine from the Dell website for 955 bucks!

If you google for dell coupons, there are normally some forums or sites listing what the current Dell coupons are – you can normally get 10-15% off if you’re lucky. I picked up a Studio 15 with better specs that the Inspiron for just over $1000 not too long ago.

You may be als able to pic up some older spec laptops off auction sites etc for around the $800-$1000 mark.

Other than Dell (which are normally more than decent) or the older models, you’re unlikely to get much else that isn’t a celeron at around $900 or lower and that will leave you with enough money for a cheap 22″ monitor.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 1:57 pm 30 Jul 09

@ post #2. I just bought that exact machine from the Dell website for 955 bucks!

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 1:54 pm 30 Jul 09

Al,

Vista had the same issue for its x32 version (its a 32-bit hardware architectural problem, iirc), Microsoft went so far as releasing a patch for Vista that effectively fudged the figures enough that customers would stop asking by detecting total capabilities of the RAM at loading. (Vista SP1 reports 4Gb as installed, but still only 3.5 ‘available’ less Windows’ requirements).
Desktop copies of WinXP and Vista stick with 4GB caps for driver compatibility.
You can go over 4Gb with software-enabling PAE so long as the system allows for it, extending to 36 bit address size capability, as to just how it all works frankly I just don’t care.

Windows 7 x32 has the same problem, as its an x32 software architecture..

x64 Vista Business\Ultimate could handle around 128Gb of RAM (Windows 7 has an x64 variant also).

(For those desktop IT geeks who are probably raring up to tear strips off me for some perceived slight somewhere in the above, I work in database admin. I really don’t care all that much about desktop support problems except when they’re my own.)

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 1:36 pm 30 Jul 09

Huh! Never seen it. Thanks.
Then there’s the unusually named Askelgirl I guess…
PS: I can recommend the AllBids online auctions as a good way to get some cheap get-you-through gear – score the above boxes 1 and 3 years ago for about $120 each, and a year ago scored 2 20″ Dell screens that are top shelf stuff for $130 each.

phototext phototext 1:35 pm 30 Jul 09

“Something not many people seem to know…
I wonder if this is fixed in the shortly released Win 7?”

No, as its not broken, that is just what a 32 bit OS does.

If you want to access more than (aprox) 4 gb of RAM you need to go to a 64 bit OS.

Most people don’t require more than 3gb of RAM anyway and would be hard pushed to find a use for more.

Danman Danman 1:27 pm 30 Jul 09

Al,

There is a computer store hidden in Gunghalin just up from the TAB on Gozzard Street.

Can not remember their name, but well patronised by me when I was a PC fanboy.

luther_bendross luther_bendross 1:25 pm 30 Jul 09

Gungahlin Al: I’ve used the place at Dickson (no idea of the name, sorry…. but I can lift heavy things) a few times, and never for conventional, garden variety requests. Every time they’ve been really helpful, even advising us on the best way to negotiate out-of-warranty failure. As a local business, I recommend them pretty strongly.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 1:03 pm 30 Jul 09

Skidbladnir said :

4Gb of stick RAM is partially wasted in a PC with a video card anyway, 32 bit systems are hardware constrained to 2^32 (ie: 4,294,967,296) memory address bitspaces, including video adapters and PCI slots and other bits.
So a 512Mb video card claims 512Mb of address space, and if no other addresses are claimed, WinXP can only refer to 3.5 gig of RAM addresses.
(actually a bit less than this due to BIOS and system requirements)

I forgot this until after I built my most recent pc from scratch and sitting there for a while thinking one of my RAM sticks was wierd.

Something not many people seem to know…
I wonder if this is fixed in the shortly released Win 7?
7 has been released to manufacturing this week and the Release Candidate download is only available until the end of August, if you want to run it for nothing until ealry next year. Unfortunately requires a complete rebuild if converting from XP.

I have an ex-DOLA auction Dell GX280 box I’m looking to gut and rebuild with new bits for basic child/spouse usage, mainly because it ran so beautifully quietly, and is a brilliantly designed box. The later model, smaller GX280 box we have is horribly noisy, so is up for retirement. Anyone with experience of local parts suppliers? Is the place at Dickson OK?

peterh peterh 12:59 pm 30 Jul 09

2-3gb ram???

i have 512mb ram, run a pentium M system, 60gb hdd, office 2007 enterprise, and many other apps. the notebook works just fine.

and the 17″ screen is just an added bonus…

hk0reduck hk0reduck 12:57 pm 30 Jul 09

If you’re buying it for a uni student (or know one!) there might also be a discount available 🙂

http://dell.communicates.to/epp/au/

http://arts.anu.edu.au/helpdesk/delldiscount/ANU-EPP.pdf

Also, I feel you can get away with a lower specced laptop by sticking with Windows XP!

No need to thank me, just being hk0reduck is its own reward!

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 12:50 pm 30 Jul 09

bytespaces, even.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 12:48 pm 30 Jul 09

4Gb of stick RAM is partially wasted in a PC with a video card anyway, 32 bit systems are hardware constrained to 2^32 (ie: 4,294,967,296) memory address bitspaces, including video adapters and PCI slots and other bits.
So a 512Mb video card claims 512Mb of address space, and if no other addresses are claimed, WinXP can only refer to 3.5 gig of RAM addresses.
(actually a bit less than this due to BIOS and system requirements)

I forgot this until after I built my most recent pc from scratch and sitting there for a while thinking one of my RAM sticks was wierd.

phototext phototext 12:24 pm 30 Jul 09

“She just does the usual things like browsing, essay writing, email etc”

2-3gb of RAM will do the trick, don’t pay extra for 4gb as it would be a waste of money.

Pay a little extra and you can get a Core Duo over a Celeron which I think would be worth the extra money.

You could get a decent spec 15 laptop for $999 and a 22″ monitor for $389 from Dell.

You could try DJ’s, Myer, Harris Technology, Office Works and see what old stock they are trying to get rid of. If it has at least 2gb of RAM and any Core Duo it will be up for the job.

peterh peterh 12:04 pm 30 Jul 09

Spam Box said :

Sorry, busy morning

She just does the usual things like browsing, essay writing, email etc

ok…

the problem that you will have is that there aren’t much low cost spec’d boxes around at that price point. I do know of a 2nd hand laptop from a reseller for $599, would allow you to buy a decent brand new monitor, but there is the risk of failure in the 2nd hander. here is the spec:

HP T5600 – 1.5 Gig DDR2 RAM, 80 GIG HARD DRIVE, DVD BURNER, 4 USB ports, CARD READER, WIRELESS LAN, FINGERPRINT READER, 10/100 FAST ETHERNET, ONBOARD SPEAKERS, Touchpad,
V.90 INTERNAL MODEM, WINDOWS PROFESSIONAL (PREINSTALLED), POWER SUPPLY & CARRY BAG $599

and the monitors:
24” lcd monitors ALL HAVE 3 YRS MANUFACTURES WARRANTY
Viewsonic 5ms $315
Benq $325
Viewsonic 2 ms $329

contact me for more info either about the laptop or the monitors. peterdotholland98@gmaildotcom

other resellers tell me that the dell pricing is about the best around, there doesn’t seem to be many cheap and high spec’d laptops.

taco taco 12:04 pm 30 Jul 09

Spam Box said :

Sorry, busy morning

She just does the usual things like browsing, essay writing, email etc

Any recent Celeron CPU or netbook should handle that fine

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