ACT has a marginal seat after all

GnT 13 September 2007 39

I always thought the federal election results for the ACT were pretty much set in stone: 2 Labor MPs, one of each in the Senate. But the Canberra Times is reporting that the Greens (in the form of ex-MLA Kerrie Tucker) could take Senator Gaz’s seat in a nationwide swing against the coalition.

This election is shaping up to be very interesting.

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39 Responses to ACT has a marginal seat after all
cranky cranky 10:17 pm 16 Sep 07

More power to Barnaby, but any thoughts that members of the Senate should vote in the interests of their State/Territory, as envisaged by the constitution, rather than the party politics we are bedevilled with, will be constantly thwarted under the current system.

tom-tom tom-tom 9:23 pm 16 Sep 07

Beyondthought- Natalie Colbert and Troy Williams are liberal party hacks, not independent thinkers, you are deluded if you believe they will act with anything other than the contempt for the electorate that humphries has shown

VicePope VicePope 5:18 pm 16 Sep 07

BT – I frankly do not care who gets up. It seems impossible that Kate Lundy should lose, and the only vulnerable spot is held by Gary Humphries.

Personally, so long as he is put last so that he loses, I would be untroubled by backing pretty much anyone, including the no 2 Lib, below the line. This should teach all local pollies to have some respect for the electorate.

If, incidentally, it delivers a balanced Senate (including one in which a frightened Sen Humphries thinks before he votes so that his vote cannot be relied on by his party when his electorate’s interests are at stake), that is also a good thing.

BeyondThought BeyondThought 1:40 pm 16 Sep 07

VicePope, is it a case of “a pox on all your houses” or would you be willing to at least entertain supporting Natalie Colbert or Troy Williams or who seem to have that dangerous asset in politics, independence of thought.

Back to the Senate though, let’s be honest. Novan (Democrat) is clueless and the Greens won’t do anything to help the ACT. It’s all about them grabing the balance of power rather than doing anything for us poo old locals.

Fluges Fluges 8:27 pm 14 Sep 07

Humphries is a complete waste of space. I remember when he was a young lib at ANU, overshadowed by the evil Michael Yabsley. A complete joke. Now he’s got the easiest job in the country, just has to mince around and make the odd vacuous remark. If he did the right thing and just went off to die somewhere, who among us would notice his absence?

VicePope VicePope 4:42 pm 14 Sep 07

You can’t be noncomformist (can’t you just call yourself coffee person or something)?

Looking at the other Lib talent that has been through the Assembly, I’d agree that Humphries is twords the top of a small and unattractive heap. Imagine Big Bill? Or Hyacinth Dunne? Or Little Brendan? Or Prattles the Art Critic? (That said, I would cringe as loudly at thought of Senator Simian Berry or Senator Anything but a Gentleman or Senator DUI Hargreaves.

Fact remains Humphries has supported moves that have diminished the ACT and led to the destruction of the institution of public service. I don’t live in Bennelong, so I can’t vote against the PM – and I can’t vote against Ruddock or anyone who else who has been an egregious disgrace. I live here, and I can vote against a supine dilettante who simply makes up the numbers.

Knocking him off, or giving him a really big fright, should encourage all ACT senators to remember that they are elected to represent the ACT.

You cant be nonconformist if you dont drink coffee You cant be nonconformist if you dont drink coffee 9:12 am 14 Sep 07

Don’t worry Thumper, its pretty much guaranteed that we wont – the way the Libs seem to be going elsewhere in Oz they’re guaranteed to lose some seats… and Labor will have a big enough job on their hands getting enough to take the lower house, let alone take control of the senate too… I just think its a shame that a seemingly decent bloke like Gaz (please don’t accuse me of being a Liberal stooge, I just happen to think he’s a pretty reasonable guy) would lose his seat because of its strategic value, rather than because his opponent is actually any good! (Yes, I’ll admit it, I can’t stand stupid Tucker woman and her whole ‘more idealistic than thou’ student politician approach)

Thumper Thumper 8:34 am 14 Sep 07

I just hope we don’t see a majority in both houses again.

Maelinar Maelinar 8:32 am 14 Sep 07

What’s Kerry Tucker’s position on Security of Tenure in Public Housing ?

ephemerac ephemerac 10:32 pm 13 Sep 07

It would be highly improbable that Kerrie Tucker could get a place in the Senate given that because of the way voting works in the ACT she’d have to 33 percent of the vote. At least that’s something to be relieved about. While the sorts of motherhood statements they espouse sound good, they’re far too extreme, and their policies too touchy-feely.

This of course leaves me wondering who to vote for at all given I don’t like the other choices either. Lesser of two evils I suppose.

ant ant 9:59 pm 13 Sep 07

It’s a shame we can’t have both of them representing us. tucker and Humph. are good, effective politicians.

will roper will roper 9:38 pm 13 Sep 07

It is a rare thing for coa;ition MPs to cross the floor. Gary H has as has Barnaby Joyce. If they are merely pulling stunts that’s fine and not out of character for a politician.

Can anyone recall the last time a Labor politician crossed the floor? I think it might have been Mal Colston. The ALP looked on that kindly didn’t they? I think the First Lord’s song can be applied to both sides of the fence.

Pandy Pandy 9:04 pm 13 Sep 07

Vote Green. send a message.

boomacat boomacat 8:23 pm 13 Sep 07

Ralph you are such a liberal party sycophant, I’ve never heard an objective word come out of your mouth.

GnT GnT 7:54 pm 13 Sep 07

He didn’t cross the floor to take a stand on same sex marriages, he did it to protect the territory’s independence. And as if the numbers weren’t all stitched up beforehand.

I reckon Gary’s a nice enough bloke, but he’s on Howard’s team – that’s enough for me not to vote for him.

As for putting him last, there’s probably some wacko parties I’ll put further down.

VicePope VicePope 7:06 pm 13 Sep 07

You can’t be noncomformist etc (you’ve got to get a more manageable name).

He got elected last time on first preferences, which is a third of the votes plus one. It hasn’t always been the case, and Rick Farley nearly took the seat from Sen Reid at one point – not sure if she was reduced to preferences on other occasions. So it can happen.

Now, as to how he’s acting in the Senate. Either he’s a boring clone who “always voted at [his] party’s call / and never thought of thinking for [himself] at all” or he really believes in stuff like WorkChoices, discriminatory compensation and superannuation treatment for a substantial part of his voters, the use of the public service as a kind of test tube for weird management ideas and the politicisation of a public service. If the former, he does not deserve to be re-elected and pretty well anyone prepared to direct a brain cell at the task would be better. If the latter, I suggest that a substantial part of his constituency would run a mile rather than support him as his party runs down the institutions for which they work and in which they believe.

I emphasise that I am no fan of the ALP or anyone else. I believe simply that it is time this timeserver was told his time is up.

You cant be nonconformist if you dont drink coffee You cant be nonconformist if you dont drink coffee 5:56 pm 13 Sep 07

But didn’t Gaz romp it in at the last election, getting more than a quota on first preferences? So surely he is representing his constituents by voting with the other Libs, after all, more than 33% of Canberrans voted for him/them…

Personally, while I don’t agree with some of that stuff you’ve mentioned either, isn’t that why we have two Senators from different parties? So that the people who want Liberal-type stuff can have a member who does that stuff, and the people who want Labor get Labor?

I see your argument, but I think you’re confusing not doing what you would have liked him to do with not representing his constituents – I’m pretty sure there are lots of people who would agree with what he’s done/voted for (my partner, for example, god bless her conservative heart!)

VicePope VicePope 5:40 pm 13 Sep 07

You can’t be noncomformist etc – when I consider a pollie, I look at his record. Humphries has with one exception fallen into line with his party on matters that affect his electorate (he differed on same sex marriages) and that affect the significant part of his electorate that is employed in the public sector. This is why Comcare provides no protection in some areas, why the APS is structured for subservience rather than apolitical service, why public sector superannuation is almost uniquely not going to be made tax free. There’s more – I cannot vote against Howard personally, but I can Put Humphries Last and try to get rid of him. I would do the same to Lundy if the positions were reversed. I frankly do not care if he is a nice man, goes to lots of community events and smiles a lot. When the pedal hits the metal, it’s where he lines up in the Senate that counts.

(BTW – I voted against the ALP candidate at the 1995 by-election and have not subsequently voted Labor).

Norvan – I suggested on a different thread that a lot of people would probably not object to paying a minimal amount for a minimal involvement membership of the Democrats. I would – I don’t want to go to boring meetings, meet boring hopeful candidates or anything else, but I think we should have an AD presence in the ACT.

GnT GnT 5:18 pm 13 Sep 07

Folks, remember to vote below the line to decide your own preferences.

norvan norvan 5:12 pm 13 Sep 07

Cheers Jonnb, Yes I know we are the underdogs, we only have $5k for the whole campaign (I don’t think that the CFMEU will be giving us any cash soon 🙂 ) the party got deregistered (bummer but it doesn’t matter till next year) but hey the ACT Democrats membership is growing fast. I think that Kerrie has a chance of getting in as do I. We still have time to turn this around, I think that the majority of people in the ACT are too busy to spend too much time looking at politics and will make up their mind on the Day. Anyway Campaigning is a lot of fun, ‘Watch this spot’ :-), our preferences are still being decided.

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