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ACT Policing has charged two juvenile males following an aggravated burglary in Chisholm on Friday (February 15).

Police attended a residence in Chisholm in response to reports of an aggravated burglary. They found damage to the property including holes in the interior plaster walls, graffiti, and paint poured and thrown on floors and walls throughout the house.

The alleged offenders are understood to have gained entry to the residence through the rear of the house.

Following police investigations a 13-year-old boy and a 14-year-old boy, both from Chisholm, were charged with aggravated burglary and damage property offences.

The two young men will face the ACT Children’s Court at a later date.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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Mav Mav 12:08 pm 31 May 13

Imperfect_parent said :

As the mother of these two boys I feel compelled to reveal some facts, not as a defense to their actions, but as an imperfect parent.
The house was abandoned and 10 teenagers (including my sons) decided it would be great on a Friday afternoon to get someone to buy them alcohol and hang out in an empty house…one teen kicks a whole in the wall, others follow, they go way too far and cause over $10,000 worth of damage.
Neighbors see kids leaving, call police. Police attend and most of the kids do a runner from my home where they all ended up. Make it clear to my boys that try need to own their behavior and face the consequences of their actions.
It was aggravate burglary due to entering premises with another. Boys are interviewed and charged, spend the night in the watchtower and are released on bail conditions and curfew. Court has been ongoing for months, restorative justice was attempted in order for my boys to face the impact of their choices-the owners are not willing to go down this path as they live out of state, which is fair and reasonable.
The boys have had an ok childhood, their dad and I split when they were 1 and 2, he is currently a methamphetamine addict in jail, in an out of their lives constantly, ignoring orders and assaults my 14 year old the day before the incident-was my 14 year old angry? Probably…does it make it ok? Definately not! Am I ashamed of their behaviour? Absolutely! Do I still love and support tem and hope that they learn something from this? Yes, I’m their mother…they have a roof over their head, food in their mouths, love, support and understanding. They don’t have I phones, I pads and all the things they want, but they have all they need.
They made a sequence of very poor choices an try have pleaded guilty awaiting a verdict. They have been referred to external suppor services (a lot easier to get into after they get in trouble), they are taking responsibility for it and they will have to face the consequences. They knew better, they chose not to follow their values and they will suffer the repercussions. I’m a single mother, I work full time, I don’t live in public housing, I don’t har $10,000 and I dont see the parents of the other children involved contributing. My boys chose not to ‘dob’ on their ‘mates’ (no longer friends btw) so they are liable for the whole amount. They have a bank account, $10 per week since they were born for car/overseas trip when they finished school. That sum will be significantly reduced now. They are learning a lesson on the effect of their choices. They are learning about consequential thinking and outcomes. There is some positive in this for them, as there is in everything in life. I do not condone what they did, I am somewhat relieved that they have owned their behaviors and will make amends as much as they possibly can. Does not make it easier for the home owners or anyone else involved.
Hurts to hear people refer to them as grots and scumbags…their past choice do not define who they are, rather how they handle this is what will make or break them. I am also not naive enough to think that this will be their last stupid choice, but I know they have a newfound awareness of consequential thinking that will hopefully give them the courage to realise that it is possible to do the right thing ad have a fun life. I also know that not every decision my children make is a reflection of my parenting-those who do and jump to statements about sterilization and foster care really don’t have empathy as adults.
I am doing the best with what I have, I love my children in all their flaws and realise that no one is perfect-no one makes all the right choices in life…I do not take away from the massive negative impact that their choices led to, just trying to provide some insight into the incident.

We would all like to think our kids would never be involved in stuff like this and that their upbringing will immune them from such activities but kids will be kids. We can only guide them as best we can.

I think your boys have learnt a valuable lesson and they owned up to their actions instead of trying to hide from the situation. I could imagine that if they were to “dob” in the others that they would probably have to live in fear for their safety as the others probably live in the same area and would know who put them in to the police. It is all well and good for people to make harsh judgments of them for not informing on the others but in reality at least they have done the right thing themselves.

Spiral Spiral 11:33 am 31 May 13

Your post was interesting and a good insight. It does seem that you are doing your best.

Just one thing. As long as your boys protect the others, they will be scum in my books.

You can argue all you want, but as long as your sons are sticking up for their ex mates, they have not redeemed themselves.

I don’t doubt that you have tried to make them tell who they were, so I’m not aiming this at you, rather at them. They are scum and will continue to be scum until they come clean and personally I wish the police could charge them with hindering an investigation.

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 11:13 am 31 May 13

Imperfect_parent said :

As the mother of these two boys I feel compelled to reveal some facts, not as a defense to their actions, but as an imperfect parent.
The house was abandoned and 10 teenagers (including my sons) decided it would be great on a Friday afternoon to get someone to buy them alcohol and hang out in an empty house…one teen kicks a whole in the wall, others follow, they go way too far and cause over $10,000 worth of damage.
Neighbors see kids leaving, call police. Police attend and most of the kids do a runner from my home where they all ended up. Make it clear to my boys that try need to own their behavior and face the consequences of their actions.
It was aggravate burglary due to entering premises with another. Boys are interviewed and charged, spend the night in the watchtower and are released on bail conditions and curfew. Court has been ongoing for months, restorative justice was attempted in order for my boys to face the impact of their choices-the owners are not willing to go down this path as they live out of state, which is fair and reasonable.
The boys have had an ok childhood, their dad and I split when they were 1 and 2, he is currently a methamphetamine addict in jail, in an out of their lives constantly, ignoring orders and assaults my 14 year old the day before the incident-was my 14 year old angry? Probably…does it make it ok? Definately not! Am I ashamed of their behaviour? Absolutely! Do I still love and support tem and hope that they learn something from this? Yes, I’m their mother…they have a roof over their head, food in their mouths, love, support and understanding. They don’t have I phones, I pads and all the things they want, but they have all they need.
They made a sequence of very poor choices an try have pleaded guilty awaiting a verdict. They have been referred to external suppor services (a lot easier to get into after they get in trouble), they are taking responsibility for it and they will have to face the consequences. They knew better, they chose not to follow their values and they will suffer the repercussions. I’m a single mother, I work full time, I don’t live in public housing, I don’t har $10,000 and I dont see the parents of the other children involved contributing. My boys chose not to ‘dob’ on their ‘mates’ (no longer friends btw) so they are liable for the whole amount. They have a bank account, $10 per week since they were born for car/overseas trip when they finished school. That sum will be significantly reduced now. They are learning a lesson on the effect of their choices. They are learning about consequential thinking and outcomes. There is some positive in this for them, as there is in everything in life. I do not condone what they did, I am somewhat relieved that they have owned their behaviors and will make amends as much as they possibly can. Does not make it easier for the home owners or anyone else involved.
Hurts to hear people refer to them as grots and scumbags…their past choice do not define who they are, rather how they handle this is what will make or break them. I am also not naive enough to think that this will be their last stupid choice, but I know they have a newfound awareness of consequential thinking that will hopefully give them the courage to realise that it is possible to do the right thing ad have a fun life. I also know that not every decision my children make is a reflection of my parenting-those who do and jump to statements about sterilization and foster care really don’t have empathy as adults.
I am doing the best with what I have, I love my children in all their flaws and realise that no one is perfect-no one makes all the right choices in life…I do not take away from the massive negative impact that their choices led to, just trying to provide some insight into the incident.

I admire the stoicism shown by you. It shows real character to give another perspective on the matters here when you aren’t required. The facts are the boys are boys and whether from a model upbringing or not, no parent is immune from the young teens propensity for impulsive behaviour. This is far from anything close to that which you can find where the file is marked from birth “at risk”. You might hear those things being said about the boys, but its only because of the online world in which an adult would utter such things. If they did that in public as strangers they would likely face questioning. Whilst those with nothing better to piss and moan about from the middle in Canberra, and I guess businesses, councils and the like will rightly complain, remind them of the fact that there is no greater interest for the public than someone becoming a good citizen. This is especially the case with young offending.

Imperfect_parent Imperfect_parent 10:20 pm 30 May 13

As the mother of these two boys I feel compelled to reveal some facts, not as a defense to their actions, but as an imperfect parent.
The house was abandoned and 10 teenagers (including my sons) decided it would be great on a Friday afternoon to get someone to buy them alcohol and hang out in an empty house…one teen kicks a whole in the wall, others follow, they go way too far and cause over $10,000 worth of damage.
Neighbors see kids leaving, call police. Police attend and most of the kids do a runner from my home where they all ended up. Make it clear to my boys that try need to own their behavior and face the consequences of their actions.
It was aggravate burglary due to entering premises with another. Boys are interviewed and charged, spend the night in the watchtower and are released on bail conditions and curfew. Court has been ongoing for months, restorative justice was attempted in order for my boys to face the impact of their choices-the owners are not willing to go down this path as they live out of state, which is fair and reasonable.
The boys have had an ok childhood, their dad and I split when they were 1 and 2, he is currently a methamphetamine addict in jail, in an out of their lives constantly, ignoring orders and assaults my 14 year old the day before the incident-was my 14 year old angry? Probably…does it make it ok? Definately not! Am I ashamed of their behaviour? Absolutely! Do I still love and support tem and hope that they learn something from this? Yes, I’m their mother…they have a roof over their head, food in their mouths, love, support and understanding. They don’t have I phones, I pads and all the things they want, but they have all they need.
They made a sequence of very poor choices an try have pleaded guilty awaiting a verdict. They have been referred to external suppor services (a lot easier to get into after they get in trouble), they are taking responsibility for it and they will have to face the consequences. They knew better, they chose not to follow their values and they will suffer the repercussions. I’m a single mother, I work full time, I don’t live in public housing, I don’t har $10,000 and I dont see the parents of the other children involved contributing. My boys chose not to ‘dob’ on their ‘mates’ (no longer friends btw) so they are liable for the whole amount. They have a bank account, $10 per week since they were born for car/overseas trip when they finished school. That sum will be significantly reduced now. They are learning a lesson on the effect of their choices. They are learning about consequential thinking and outcomes. There is some positive in this for them, as there is in everything in life. I do not condone what they did, I am somewhat relieved that they have owned their behaviors and will make amends as much as they possibly can. Does not make it easier for the home owners or anyone else involved.
Hurts to hear people refer to them as grots and scumbags…their past choice do not define who they are, rather how they handle this is what will make or break them. I am also not naive enough to think that this will be their last stupid choice, but I know they have a newfound awareness of consequential thinking that will hopefully give them the courage to realise that it is possible to do the right thing ad have a fun life. I also know that not every decision my children make is a reflection of my parenting-those who do and jump to statements about sterilization and foster care really don’t have empathy as adults.
I am doing the best with what I have, I love my children in all their flaws and realise that no one is perfect-no one makes all the right choices in life…I do not take away from the massive negative impact that their choices led to, just trying to provide some insight into the incident.

LSWCHP LSWCHP 9:20 pm 21 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)
IP

Look, this is simply wrong. I can’t believe what I’m reading.

Everybody knows that the collective IQ on RA is doubled by *my* presence here. Bwaahahahahah…

poetix poetix 6:53 pm 21 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)

IP

Suck!

p

bundah bundah 6:01 pm 21 Feb 13

Pork Hunt said :

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

So what you are basically saying is: you cannot condemn these pos because you do not know the laws or how things should be worded???

If you are a pos that breaks into peeps houses, you do not get redeemed Bcoz someone did not use the right term when calling the, a pos.

How about, if you repeatedly refer to other human beings as pieces of s***, with no regard for their age, their experiences, their background, etc., then you have demonstrated your have no capacity for empathy, and you are becoming one of the people you condemn. Get an education, and try to understand the world, instead of sitting at a computer whingeing.

Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)

IP

Self praise is no recommendation 🙂

What are you on about porker,self-aggrandisement is a prerequisite for commenting on RA 🙂

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:53 pm 21 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

So what you are basically saying is: you cannot condemn these pos because you do not know the laws or how things should be worded???

If you are a pos that breaks into peeps houses, you do not get redeemed Bcoz someone did not use the right term when calling the, a pos.

How about, if you repeatedly refer to other human beings as pieces of s***, with no regard for their age, their experiences, their background, etc., then you have demonstrated your have no capacity for empathy, and you are becoming one of the people you condemn. Get an education, and try to understand the world, instead of sitting at a computer whingeing.

Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)

IP

Self praise is no recommendation 🙂

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 5:50 pm 21 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

How about, if you repeatedly refer to other human beings as pieces of s***, with no regard for their age, their experiences, their background, etc., then you have demonstrated your have no capacity for empathy, and you are becoming one of the people you condemn.

Wrong. To become one of the people he condemns would take a whole personality, moral, and behavioural shift. not just indulging in a bit of internet banter. To equate slagging off some scumbags on an internet debate site, no matter what “their experiences, their background, etc”, is in no way showing equivalence for their actions. The fact that you have swung to the other polar extreme, is a clear indication of how morally, ethically and legally bankrupt your ideas are.

IrishPete said :

Get an education, and try to understand the world, instead of sitting at a computer whingeing.

Pot / kettle. Or one could always say

” if you repeatedly refer to other human beings as needing an education, with no regard for their age, their experiences, their background, etc., then you have demonstrated your have no capacity for empathy, and you are becoming one of the people you condemn.

IrishPete said :

.Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)

IP

And you’d be totally wrong, (and a suckhole.)

IrishPete IrishPete 4:48 pm 21 Feb 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

So what you are basically saying is: you cannot condemn these pos because you do not know the laws or how things should be worded???

If you are a pos that breaks into peeps houses, you do not get redeemed Bcoz someone did not use the right term when calling the, a pos.

How about, if you repeatedly refer to other human beings as pieces of s***, with no regard for their age, their experiences, their background, etc., then you have demonstrated your have no capacity for empathy, and you are becoming one of the people you condemn. Get an education, and try to understand the world, instead of sitting at a computer whingeing.

Sometimes I think my presence on Riot Act doubles the average IQ (but only when JohnBoy’s away from his desk.)

IP

IrishPete IrishPete 4:44 pm 21 Feb 13

chewy14 said :

So what you’re suggesting is that the government should step in and remove these children from these dysfunctional households?
That the government should actively work to prevent these types of people from having kids in the first place instead of promoting and helping them to have children through various welfare initiatives?

I agree.

I might not word it exactly this way, but basically, yes. Though it’s hard to prevent people having kids (forced sterilisation went out of fashion after Hitler and Stalin, though it may still be in fashion China; I don’t know), you can look at the financial and social incentives and disincentives. But note from my post that it’s not all about money – well-off people also abuse their partners in front of the children, or sexually and/or physically abuse the children. None of which is good for the kids’ development of empathy. And without empathy, what would stop you trashing someone’s house for fun? “No-one cares about me, so why should I care about anyone else?”

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:22 pm 20 Feb 13

mareva said :

Ben_Dover said :

mareva said :

On the first page of this topic there is so much factual inaccuracy about why these kids were charged with aggravated burglary. A solid number of bullshit posts later, someone finally quotes the statutory provisions about aggravated burglary.

And the same people who get basic factual details so hideously wrong, are throwing around lofty opinions about how limp wristed and rubbish the system is.

Gasp, not every Riot Act member has an encyclopedic knowledge of the relevant statutes, ban them all from posting their views and opinions until they do. Otherwise, they may show emotion.

(Isn’t it funny how the lefty; “get in touch with your emotions” types are always anti-emotion if it’s shown by a person with a different viewpoint to theirs?)

mareva said :

Ben Dover – I am not a social worker, but that joke was truly hilarious. Oh wait no. It sucked.

No one expects those on the left to have a sense of humour.

Mate are you on the ganja. Left and right are political affiliations. I have not posted about my political affiliations. You sound paranoid as hell.

What frustrates me is when people attempt to make what is actually quite a sound argument, but they make it so stupidly that it totally undermines the argument and embarrasses me that I actually share, to some extent, their point of view. The difference is I do not make shit up to support my position.

And if you do not have knowledge on something, go right ahead and spout your opinion. But ain’t nobody listening, the moment you start getting some very basic sh*t wrong. So what’s the point even saying it. But look, go right ahead.

So what you are basically saying is: you cannot condemn these pos because you do not know the laws or how things should be worded???

If you are a pos that breaks into peeps houses, you do not get redeemed Bcoz someone did not use the right term when calling the, a pos.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 10:01 pm 20 Feb 13

mareva said :

And if you do not have knowledge on something, go right ahead and spout your opinion. But ain’t nobody listening, the moment you start getting some very basic sh*t wrong. So what’s the point even saying it. But look, go right ahead.

“But ain’t nobody listening”, said the person who has replied to, and quoted, my every post.

Now, here’s a trick, see if you can point out this; ” very basic sh*t[sic] which I have got “wrong”. Because, as far as I can see, I have only posted opinion and humour here.

In your own time….

mareva mareva 8:29 pm 20 Feb 13

Ben_Dover said :

mareva said :

On the first page of this topic there is so much factual inaccuracy about why these kids were charged with aggravated burglary. A solid number of bullshit posts later, someone finally quotes the statutory provisions about aggravated burglary.

And the same people who get basic factual details so hideously wrong, are throwing around lofty opinions about how limp wristed and rubbish the system is.

Gasp, not every Riot Act member has an encyclopedic knowledge of the relevant statutes, ban them all from posting their views and opinions until they do. Otherwise, they may show emotion.

(Isn’t it funny how the lefty; “get in touch with your emotions” types are always anti-emotion if it’s shown by a person with a different viewpoint to theirs?)

mareva said :

Ben Dover – I am not a social worker, but that joke was truly hilarious. Oh wait no. It sucked.

No one expects those on the left to have a sense of humour.

Mate are you on the ganja. Left and right are political affiliations. I have not posted about my political affiliations. You sound paranoid as hell.

What frustrates me is when people attempt to make what is actually quite a sound argument, but they make it so stupidly that it totally undermines the argument and embarrasses me that I actually share, to some extent, their point of view. The difference is I do not make shit up to support my position.

And if you do not have knowledge on something, go right ahead and spout your opinion. But ain’t nobody listening, the moment you start getting some very basic sh*t wrong. So what’s the point even saying it. But look, go right ahead.

Ben_Dover Ben_Dover 10:21 am 20 Feb 13

mareva said :

On the first page of this topic there is so much factual inaccuracy about why these kids were charged with aggravated burglary. A solid number of bullshit posts later, someone finally quotes the statutory provisions about aggravated burglary.

And the same people who get basic factual details so hideously wrong, are throwing around lofty opinions about how limp wristed and rubbish the system is.

Gasp, not every Riot Act member has an encyclopedic knowledge of the relevant statutes, ban them all from posting their views and opinions until they do. Otherwise, they may show emotion.

(Isn’t it funny how the lefty; “get in touch with your emotions” types are always anti-emotion if it’s shown by a person with a different viewpoint to theirs?)

mareva said :

Ben Dover – I am not a social worker, but that joke was truly hilarious. Oh wait no. It sucked.

No one expects those on the left to have a sense of humour.

dpm dpm 7:51 am 20 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

How about if stepdad is beating you to sleep each night? Or your parents are both bombed out on Ice and you haven’t had a proper meal since last week? Would any of these kinds of things explain a child with poorly developed social skills, empathy, behaviour?
..IP

Yes, I know a hard upbringing means kids *have* to B&E houses and trash them. It’s nature, and thus no one should mind at all…. If you do mind, you’re shallow and have no empathy.

chewy14 chewy14 7:46 am 20 Feb 13

IrishPete said :

Ben_Dover said :

With recidivism so very high in Australia in general and the ACT in particular, it is difficult to see any substantial decrease in the crime rate, particularly among youth, when the underlying social and economical issues are skirted around, rather than addressed.

Which “underlying social and economical issues”?

How should they be addressed?

How would their being “addressed” prevent these scumbags from becoming even more scumbaggy?*

* if you actually believe that addressing these “issues” would prevent this, I have some homeopathic, organic, powdered unicorn hoof you may want to buy, guaranteed allergy free, cures everything, (apart from stupidity.)

How about if stepdad is beating you to sleep each night? Or your parents are both bombed out on Ice and you haven’t had a proper meal since last week? Would any of these kinds of things explain a child with poorly developed social skills, empathy, behaviour?

I don’t expect everyone on Riot Act to be a Child Psychologist. However, if you can type, I kind of expect a basic level of intelligence. There are current threads about a pregnant prisoner, and about the Brendan Welsh subculture. Do you think that these people always raise well-adjusted children? Do you think that middle-class child sexual abusers raise well-adjusted children? That the off duty cop who beats his wife is a good dad? Or the crazy procrastinating and prevaricating judge? Now make up your own examples, fictional or not.

In fact, with the lack of understanding and humanity of many users on on Riot Act, I’m inclined to think that your parents or guardians didn’t raise well-adjusted children.

(P.s. sometimes you don’t need trolls, you just need intelligent comment, and the blogosphere foams…)

IP

So what you’re suggesting is that the government should step in and remove these children from these dysfunctional households?
That the government should actively work to prevent these types of people from having kids in the first place instead of promoting and helping them to have children through various welfare initiatives?

I agree.

miz miz 7:41 am 20 Feb 13

Post 37, people. Read it.

I personally think an appropriate way to deal with these teens would be restorative justice, which makes perps face the victims around a table and see what pain they have caused (and possibly have to clean up the mess). Hopefully all parties will be strongly encouraged to do so.

http://www.justice.act.gov.au/criminal_and_civil_justice/restorative_justice/information_for_offenders

IrishPete IrishPete 7:12 am 20 Feb 13

Ben_Dover said :

With recidivism so very high in Australia in general and the ACT in particular, it is difficult to see any substantial decrease in the crime rate, particularly among youth, when the underlying social and economical issues are skirted around, rather than addressed.

Which “underlying social and economical issues”?

How should they be addressed?

How would their being “addressed” prevent these scumbags from becoming even more scumbaggy?*

* if you actually believe that addressing these “issues” would prevent this, I have some homeopathic, organic, powdered unicorn hoof you may want to buy, guaranteed allergy free, cures everything, (apart from stupidity.)

How about if stepdad is beating you to sleep each night? Or your parents are both bombed out on Ice and you haven’t had a proper meal since last week? Would any of these kinds of things explain a child with poorly developed social skills, empathy, behaviour?

I don’t expect everyone on Riot Act to be a Child Psychologist. However, if you can type, I kind of expect a basic level of intelligence. There are current threads about a pregnant prisoner, and about the Brendan Welsh subculture. Do you think that these people always raise well-adjusted children? Do you think that middle-class child sexual abusers raise well-adjusted children? That the off duty cop who beats his wife is a good dad? Or the crazy procrastinating and prevaricating judge? Now make up your own examples, fictional or not.

In fact, with the lack of understanding and humanity of many users on on Riot Act, I’m inclined to think that your parents or guardians didn’t raise well-adjusted children.

(P.s. sometimes you don’t need trolls, you just need intelligent comment, and the blogosphere foams…)

IP

IrishPete IrishPete 7:00 am 20 Feb 13

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

How_Canberran said :

Genie said :

I can’t see a single response to my suggestion that people put their hands up if they didn’t break the law when they were a teenager. You almost certainly did. I did. That crime had a victim. But now you are Holier Than Thou.

IP

I will admit to breaking the law as a teenager. However, drinking a flagon of fruity lexia in a park is a victimless crime (except for me when my folks found out), destroying someones hard earned possessions is not. At 13/14 you do know right from wrong, you do know that breaking into someones house and trashing it is against the law. If, at this age you don’t realise that these actions are reprehensible you probably should not be allowed out unsupervised.

Yes, key point – “should not be allowed out unsupervised”. Not all 13 year olds are the same, and if yours isn’t as mature as they should be, then you should be supervising them more closely. It’s called parental responsibility – don’t blame the child, consider blaming the parents.

IP

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