APS agencies planning to compensate executives while squeezing the lower echelons ...

All of our section left work at 5pm on dot minus 3 people, who worked till 6:45.
2 EL1’s and an EL2 , so OP get a clue and go back and appeal your obvious failure to get promoted to EL1.

Madame Workalot said :

Nice trolling, realityskin 🙂

Serious 🙂 kinda … i fake my timesheet to show 37.5 !

Professional levels are not really EL1s as such. And this is only one agency – my agency isn’t doing this – EL1s are on the same agreement and pay increase as everyone else where I work.

bloodnut said :

S4anta said :

Loose Brown said :

Every EL I know works like a dog.

Welcome to the joy of low level managlement ladies.

Edit for spelling and relevance.

A true I-filed old fashioned pot-stirring post.

I’d lodge my resume tommorrow if such a fanciful department existed where management were GIVING AWAY conditions.

Come with the goods or go away I-f***** – your fairytales amuse me.

I have it straight from a manager who sits at the senior table in a prominent agency. Confirmed by the union rep in same agency. And a large contingent of fed EL1s are indeed paid $95,000 top increment. My point is, regardless of whether it’s $95 (one of the professional bands) or $89,000, or $85,000, the junior staff on $50-75,000 are on notice that they will be on a tough 2% offer, while the execs are looked after despite the GFC.
Sounding like a host of self-serving EL1s responding, very happy with the situation outlined and not giving a rat’s ***** about more junior staff!

Realityskin – sounds like anything above 0 hours goes towards your flex. Ever thought about not even turning up for work – I’m sure no-one would miss you. You never know, you might still score a pay every fortnight.

Nice trolling, realityskin 🙂

OT – I just got a message from WordPress telling me I was posting comments too quickly! I guess it’s the internet’s way of telling me to think before speaking…

35 = 7 hours a day = full time !

Oh, I just take a flex day every fortnight for the sake of it.

Realityskin, how can you get flex when you only do 35 hour weeks? This may come as some surprise but flex is hours your have worked over and above 37.5. Also you are supposed to work at least 37.5 hrs per week so those extra 9 minutes goes towards the break between Xmas and New Year. No wonder public servants get such a bad reputation.

realityskin said :

I get more than 96k, work 35 hour weeks AND GET FLEX.

Not being in the public service, I don’t know all the jargon. But does 35 hour week mean you are part time?

I’m a full time top increment EL1 and I get more than 96k, work 35 hour weeks AND GET FLEX.

OP said:

Some agencies are also planning to put their EL1s – already paid $95,000 via the certified agreement – on FLEXTIME

I’m a full time top increment EL1 and I get less than 90k, work 40-45 hour weeks (plus at least 8 hours per week at home) and have NEVER had a day in lieu. So **** off.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

In my last role we recruited an EL1 and cheerfully paid him about $40k per year more than he was getting, bringing him into line with similarly skilled staff.

Precisely.
Not only do EL1s *not* get anything like 95k, they can easily earn far more in the private sector anyway. (The ones that actually work, that is).

Maybe people should do a bit of research before writing silly articles like this one.
A quick look at APS jobs shows the following EL1 positions:

Regional Manager – $65,165 to $82,105
Aboriginal Hostels Limited

IT Specialist – Workstations, Hardware & Infrastructure, – $77,686 to $87,386
Austrade

Senior HR Adviser – $77,686 to $87,386
Austrade

Web Manager – $78,903 to $87,525
Australian Antarctic Division

Assistant Directors – $79,277 to $87,204
Australian Bureau of Statistics

Team Leader – Telephony Network Support – $76,282 to $82,378
Centrelink

Senior Policy Analyst – $82,565 to $90,310
Australian Communications and Media Authority

Lawyer – $82,172 to $88,729
Australian Securities and Investments Commission

Senior Data Analyst – $77,711 to $88,582
Australian Institute of Health and Welfare

Project Manager/Analyst – $64,924 to $88,582
Australian Institute of Health and Welfare

Assistant Director Learning and Development – $80,697 to $90,938
Australian Electoral Commission

Business Manager – $76,080 to $82,447
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority

Senior Professional Officer Grade C – $80,569 to $87,000
Bureau of Meteorology

etc…

Oh please!! I worked in a Govt dept in Belco and there is a lot of dead wood and most are at levels WAY beyond their capabilities. I feel sorry for the contractors that have been targeted by Gershon – at least the contractors can actually do the job! It’s laughable to see the floundering permanent staff that have been sitting on their arses for the last 3 years panicking that they may have to work when these contractors go.

Don’t forget that El1/2 is prime hunting ground for private sector organisations in Canberra. In my last role we recruited an EL1 and cheerfully paid him about $40k per year more than he was getting, bringing him into line with similarly skilled staff. We then sold him back to his old agency on a time and materials basis to help out.

The govt needs to be a fairly careful in this space – the public service is subject to brain drain already, they shouldn’t be making it easier for the private sector to nick whomever they choose.

S4anta said :

Loose Brown said :

Every EL I know works like a dog.

Welcome to the joy of low level managlement ladies.

Edit for spelling and relevance.

A true I-filed old fashioned pot-stirring post.

I’d lodge my resume tommorrow if such a fanciful department existed where management were GIVING AWAY conditions.

Come with the goods or go away I-f***** – your fairytales amuse me.

I suspected you were, but thought I’d be anal : – )

Finance, Treasury, DFAT, AGs all in the top pay scale. EL1.4 is touching 100K

There is a section within Treasury that has an EL1 starting pay point 100k+ !

Not all DEWR people were on AWAs, some held out but there certainly was pressure for everyone to be on one.

DEEWA wa the dept who put everyone on AWAs – maybe it’s them who now has to pay up to get people off them?
ps – EL1s don’t work that hard at my dept (not all of them anyway). But they pay is low, and the work is boring, and the respect is non-existant.

god where are these agencies which pay el1s that well? $95k?! i am obviously (more so than i already thought!) working in the wrong place.

Loose Brown said :

Every EL I know works like a dog.

Welcome to the joy of low level managlement ladies.

10 – 15% payrise over two years? You have got to be joking.

What a load of rubbish.

Every EL I know works like a dog. Even if flex is available no-one takes it – it just means more work to catch up on when you get back.

like anyone actually manages to use the days in lieu.

You work a sixteen day fortnight and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in the shite
Saint Secretary don’t ya call me cause I can’t go
I sold my soul for a day in lieu….

Nothing like my dept either.

EL1s still have flex where i am, and have little management responsibility, and also earn a lot less than 95 thou.

In my last tiny dept EL1s were nearly the top of the tree, had no flex and did long hours, and still got low pay – the lowest in the aps i think – i’m working in the wrong places.

I like it 😀

Where are these agencies exactly and do they have any vacancies? Because you sure as heck aren’t describing my department!

Yes, I would say that most EL 1s and 2s I have observed would be working a heck of a lot more hours than their standard day. In fact, introducing flex would get messy, as they’d be racking up too many hours per pay period. They’d be better off doing something like an ADO per month, it’d be less messy, and most of them would be working up way more than 8 hours a month.

I think it depends which agency you work in – in my department APS 6 earn almost as much as the EL1’s and retain flex. I’m currently an acting EL2 and ‘donate’ the equivalent of 4-5 days per fortnight to the Department in extra hours worked. I don’t think the few hundred bucks a fortnight is adequate compensation for working what amounts to an extra week every fortnight… just my two cents

I would be interested to know which agencies I-Filed is referring to here. Admittedly I only work part time and am not an EL1, but I haven’t heard this come up in our CA negotiations. People of all levels have had their AWAs bought out. Again, I wasn’t on one so am unaware of the terms.

It’s not all beer and skittles for EL1s everywhere – the ones at the ABS have to be worried about their jobs at the moment.

You would think that they’d do a basic comparo of cost/benefit for the level. Is this right across the APS? Given that with the proliferation of AWAs, everyone was on different rates and entitlements.

The Flex thing will be interesting. Remember, not all departments kept it. Finance, for instance, traded away flex and overtime for higher rates of pay across the board. I wonder what they’re going to do about that one?

Sad post. Obviously I-Filed has little experience of EL1s or only a very shallow understanding of how much most executive workers work.

Don’t begrudge the person who can work the system, it is the systems fault that allows it.