Car crash on Majura Ave

The following article has a picture of the Northbourne Avenue accident involving the Holden Creman ute – with it’s f*cking ROOF wrapped around a tree.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/just-a-scratched-knee/2008/03/28/1206207373717.html

Unbelievably the guy walked away uninjured (in this instance I don’t consider a ‘scratched knee’ an injury).

Whether someone else is being mean, rude or heartless or not is an issue when it comes to someone you love and care about and happens to be lying in hospital in a coma and who has serious (possibly permanent) injuries. I do choose to keep reading and just like how everyone is entitled to their opinions and are allowed to say whatever the hell they want, then so am I. I don’t expect people to change their views, I’m simply stating MY disgust at certain things that are being said… and to expect his friends and family to stay quiet and accepting of it is unrealistic. Even people who aren’t his friends and family have shown some anger at the horrible things being said.
I also don’t appreciate that people here who probably have no idea who he is or what type of person he is acts like they know everything about him and his life just because of this one accident.
“oh he must be a drug dealer to afford a car like that”
“his friends must be exactly the same”
blah blah blah.

The thing is, the internet is full of various sites and forums, blogs and news (amongst other things) if you find a space not to your liking, then find one that is, or create your own.

Whether someone else is being mean or not is not the issue.

Yes this forum has its share of heartless and uncaring posts, some intentionally as humour (see sarcasm) some as stunts, some for real. That’s how the RiotACT has been since I stumbled across it.

When I find posts that I find really uncalled for, sometimes I point it out, sometimes I don’t. Either way I choose whether to keep reading or find other things to participate in.

Expecting people to change their views merely because you don’t agree with them is not a winning strategy on an internet forum, but if you do, don’t be surprised if you find people pushing the envelope just that bit further to see how you react.

Tragedies are tragic.

Danman said :

I wonder if you will wake the funk up.

I remember when I was 17 to 25 – I thought i knew it all too.

yeh and?? that’s your problem… not everyone is like you

What does that even mean, Mr. Wake up?

I wonder if you will wake the funk up.

I remember when I was 17 to 25 – I thought i knew it all too.

i wonder if every car that goes fast and does something wrong is a WRX to you

I wonder if it was one of his acquaintances I saw blasting through a red light in a black WRX on my way home a few minutes ago.

bigred said :

This town is small enough to allow me to eventually meet WRX boy or one of his friends or family. When I do, I will have my say.

Thinking some more, will probably see them belting around the backstreets over any weeekend anyway. After all, that is wear they ply their bad habits.

yes true that… because apparently you know everything about everyone. you want to have your say? well lets see you come to the hospital and have your say, because aren’t you just so tough and all?? pffft.

This town is small enough to allow me to eventually meet WRX boy or one of his friends or family. When I do, I will have my say.

Thinking some more, will probably see them belting around the backstreets over any weeekend anyway. After all, that is wear they ply their bad habits.

very strange, even the car website that this 19-year old driver is a member of does not even acknowlegde or report that he is fighting for his life. Tell me why this is?

I hope he pull’s through

Tempestas said :

A hint, all the newbies – the more you post to this thread, the more likely it is to be higher up the Google results list when you Google for details of the crash.

You are also free to set up your own website anytime you like and pass judgment on whomever you like.

Believe it or not there are lots of people out there who have views and opinions you won’t like and they are just as entitled as anyone else to make their views known.

Strangely some of us worked out when we were 17-25 that speeding on suburban streets was a dumb idea, its not being mean to suggest that its still a dumb idea.

yes and not many people here are denying that it was a stupid idea and that it was his fault, but he is already paying for it.

And yes everyone is entitled to their own opinion and should be able to state it but you can’t honestly tell me that some of the comments and “jokes” written here are not mean and uncalled for. Of course his friends and family are going to get angry too and defend him because they are having a tough enough time dealing with all this without having to see some of the horrible things that have been said here.
There’s all this bitching about how he doesn’t deserve respect but his family certainly do deserve some respect or at least some sympathy.
I myself don’t like drivers with souped up cars who cut you off and drive around like they own the road but I would never wish death on them or laugh at them if they were in this situation… but maybe thats because i actually have a heart and a conscience unlike all the “perfect” people in here.

I love the old and I would say it to your face crap. Once was a time the PCYC boxing ring was the call card for that sort thing. I’m a touch (sic) little homie G with a tan (or was that get you arse tanned regularly?) and you’re dumb and get no sex.

Buddy plenty of us here have runs on the board – do your swimmers work?

Back on topic saw the picture of the blokes ute today in the paper – that dude got real lucky. paint marks are still on the road – tried to work out how he pulled it off last night and wasn’t successful.

@eb (#155):
I take it that sex turns you into a rational and normally functioning being. I suggest you should get some, then.

You need to be able separate a couple of things. I don’t think it’s possible for you to do so:

1. It’s terrible that a young person is in hospital
2. The decisions he made were irresponsible and put him there.

For the most part, that’s the point of view I see in these postings.

Loathe as I am to contribute to this monster thread.

A hint, all the newbies – the more you post to this thread, the more likely it is to be higher up the Google results list when you Google for details of the crash.

You are also free to set up your own website anytime you like and pass judgment on whomever you like.

Believe it or not there are lots of people out there who have views and opinions you won’t like and they are just as entitled as anyone else to make their views known.

Strangely some of us worked out when we were 17-25 that speeding on suburban streets was a dumb idea, its not being mean to suggest that its still a dumb idea.

agree with you H7!
that song is dumb as. so’s the person who wrote it.
it’s not funny at all.

Mælinar is so dumb.
with lame ideas and idiotic notes.
Mælinar is so dumb.

Mælinar has no life.
no friends and no intelligence.
Mælinar is so dumb.

Mælinar needs to go get laid.
to pay for that or internet cafe?
Mælinar is so dumb.

and Mælinar pretty sure no one plans to wrap their car around a tree. ” hey what you gonna do today? ” ” not much. thinking of wrapping my car around that tree across the road from that park” . yeah. you dumb bitch. seriously. think before you write.
or is your body so deprived of sex it does not funcion properly?

the difference between you and me is, i will say this to your face, i’m not just some fake pretending to be touch on the internet. i actually go out, i actually get tanned, so why don’t you go find some real people to bitch about, and go buy your pasty self some sex while you’re at it. cos it sure sounds like you need some.

wake up said :

you must be perfect
sorry one typo
with no option to edit..
if you’ve got some thing worth saying why not say it
dont want to admit that you did anything wrong when you were younger
or dont’t want the world to know how boring and petty your life is

sorry thats right perfect people are in bed by 830

yes, this forum seems to be full of insensitive, judgmental, rude people who for some reason think that they are “perfect” and have apparently never broken the law once in any way. I’m sure if it were your loved one in this position you wouldn’t be sitting here having a great big bitch about them and saying they deserve it and writing “funny” songs about it… yet people deny that this is disrespectful. Even if you don’t think its disrespectful, its still cruel.
HE MADE A MISTAKE… i think thats been well established so get over it already.

This thread is hitting all the right buttons, eh!

I don’t imagine anyone on this site having the balls to say to this driver’s friends in person about what they think of this accident. The internet’s great, but it can create a lot of anonymous wankers. No doubt there’s a few lurking here.

Meanwhile, that guy on Northbourne Avenue today – only minor injuries. Walked away. Lucky bastard…

why do you immediately assume the person in the ute was a male?
can’t girls crash? or would it not be as fun to make fun of if it was a girl?
if my friend had been a girl going at high speed driving a WRX and had an accident, you would all be sympathetic, feeling sorry for the poor girl.

you would also act differently if ‘WRX boy’ was not a ‘teenager’ he turns 20 soon.
in a couple of weeks. and he’s had his car for a long period of time.
and yes, he paid for it himself, because he works, not only you old farts work.

and again, you people need to find better things to do. go out to dinner or something so then you’ll be able to whine about the restaurant you just ate at. maybe on the way home you’ll be lucky enough to ‘take off at the lights’ maybe even wrap your car around a tree, and be the next hot topic of discussion on this forum. where everyone assumes what happened in your terrible accident and you’ll be the one blamed and remembered by all.

(rumour has it he *may* have been racing another vehicle)

Taking off at lights!!

oh dear.

By the look of the news tonight one of his mates tried to join WRX boy in hospital by crashing his ute on Northbourne this afternoon.

I know I said I wouldn’t post again but news has not yet escaped onto here that there was another high speed crash today. Happened on Northbourne Avenue in the middle of the day with plenty of traffic around. A high speed take off at the lights by a hotted up twin turbo ute.

No idea if the driver was a P plater, young or what but no matter how many *OTHER* people crash their vehicles it won’t serve as a lesson to some as they are *GREAT* drivers and invincible to boot.

Again a strong tree was wrap around object of choice but luckily (and flabbergasting if you ever see the photos) this time the driver was not hurt.

Given this was the middle of the day, I think the driver deserves far worse criticism then the one of this thread.

Imhotep….What! Do u want me to tape the news for u next time the Australian transport Safety Bureau is addressing the press in regards to the ABS Accident reporting?? Watch the news yourself mate or come up with some statistics that at least relate to ACT.

If im wrong maybe you should make a call and complain to a Current Affair into false allegations made by our parliment members and the ABS.

Hope u know how to calculate percentages in Stats sheets, since u couldnt even research for the sheets on the internet yourself ..

Attached: Australian Road Deaths for 12 months to date – past 10Years

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2008/pdf/mrf0108.pdf

P.S – Stupid Imhotep didnt even know how to spell himself and had a go at wakeup.

(Perhaps the statistics are different in the ACT. Perhaps things have changed radically since 2006. Perhaps ihateuall made up his ’staistics’.)HAHA

And by the way EL… I always lose debates, so it nothing new to me, But Stan why do u have to be so mad, i do want to be your friend..haha

you must be perfect
sorry one typo
with no option to edit..
if you’ve got some thing worth saying why not say it
dont want to admit that you did anything wrong when you were younger
or dont’t want the world to know how boring and petty your life is

sorry thats right perfect people are in bed by 830

Seems to me like he got a knock back and decided to end it all, which psychologists tell us is entirely normal for this demographic. Guess he didn’t go fast enough or the tree was too soft.

Also, I wonder how many of his mates cheered when he ran red lights etc. And the car looks very familiar to me.

Well mate, I’m not going to argue about statistics with someone who spells ‘true’ as ‘trough’. Goodnight wakeup.

imhotep

nice stats
but this age group accounted for only 15%of licence HOLDERS
holders being the oprative word
ie how many old people hold licences but no longer drive?
a dam lot more then young people that hold licences and no longer drive.
so if the ABS wanted to be fare when supplying there stats why wouldn,t they take km’s traveled per year when working out there stats?
no we couldn’t have that could we cause then it would show that these drivers aged 17 to 25 travel 25-30 thousand km per year as oposed to a retired couple who both hold licences (thus making up the statistics for licence holders) are lucky to clock up 10 thousand km per year between them.

then again couldn’t have trough statistics could we wouldn’t look as good

oh and i’m also wondering how did you guys get to be so old and wise with out living the age of 17 to 25 or are you going to try and tell me you never did any thing wrong in a car at this age.. maybe i’ve stumbled across a forum for of perfect people?

From NSW RTA, http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/downloads/accident_statistics_dl4.html

“Twenty-five per cent of all drivers and motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes were young persons aged 17-25,but this age group accounted for only 15% per cent of licence holders.”

“One third of all speeding drivers and motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes were males aged 17-25. In contrast, only six per cent of speeding drivers and motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes were females in that age group.”

Perhaps the statistics are different in the ACT. Perhaps things have changed radically since 2006. Perhaps ihateuall made up his ‘staistics’.

And does playing the ‘race card’ essentially invoke Godwin and lose the debate?

from ihateuall “just want to say – recent statistics reported by the government show that the majority of accidents occur mostly by people from the ages 25-above but mostly by senior citizens..”

You have a link for those statistics?

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1) just want to say – recent statistics reported by the government show that the majority of accidents occur mostly by people from the ages 25-above but mostly by senior citizens And the cause of insurance Premiums to rise are blamed on P-Platers merely for publicity from Parliment members who are trying to win votes for that certain period in time and with broken promises to lower taxes, insurance..etc and the effect has caused the public to “believe” this is the reason and find it easier to point the finger to the P-Platers without any investigation of their own.

2) Some of you believe that if u see an owner of a modified or luxury vehicle with a young driver in the car they are drug dealers??? So u basicly think you have to be old before u can afford a Mercedes or BMW … waiting for your pension..poor baby! Well most of those kids do work hard for what makes them happy, labour jobs, office jobs and majority of them all go to University to study, and Why cant a parent be proud of their child and buy them things if they can afford to? Who are u to judge who works hard for their money and who can afford what at what age?

3) To sum this up, i am Australian and ashamed of your comments u discrimate against other Australians and races and materialistic items (soon kids cant wear expensive clothes, watches etc.. cause u think they are drug dealers.. stupid idiot!.

What this comes down to is this person made a mistake for whatever circumstances involved it is cruel to comment like the way u have.

Anyway i am a drug dealer, i do drive a luxury performance vehicle, and be tailgating and hooning past u soon… .. take care and dont get in my way.

I’m not planning on wrapping my car around a tree, so I’m different ?

i think a number of people on here should take a step back and think about the hurtfull comments made. this poor young guy is in hospital fighting for his life. i being a male in my late 20’s am just about out of the age group that gets looked down on for our driving actions. all the old farts with clean driving records out there you can look down on young guys all you like. but should realise alot of you have caused and will continue causing more accidents then you are aware of.

abc.. do you walk around wearing a mr perfect shirt? or cant you pull your head out of our own backside long enough to put a shirt on?

i’m also guessing alot of people on here being critical about his car drive defectable death traps on the road every day. weather they do so knowingly or not is another story/debate.

i’ll finish with a saying my mates grandfather told me
it would be a boring old world if every one was the same in every way.

maybe we all should buy a laser or suitably small car collect stamps be in bed by night fall

Got to say, the driver’s mates really aren’t doing their cause much good when comments such as “If speeding is so dangerous, why are the police allowed to do it.” are posted.

Guess what, police are allowed to shoot people too, but the rest of the general public aren’t. Why? Well there’s lots of reasons, for a start they are trained. Some 19 year old kids clearly aren’t trained to speed.

Don’t get me wrong, I think a lot of speed limits around Australia are far too low (especially on the open road) but I’m tipping this bloke was breaking every speed limit in Australia.

Speed can be very dangerous indeed.

To be honest the only way I can see it happening is if the driver was pissed simple as that.

I drive down there every day, and I’m not sure why there are so many crashes.
It really isn’t that much of a bend.

Haha nice song

Anyway Ill just say a few things about WRX’s and teenage drivers.

I have owned a few WRX’s including a 500hp 2door sti. The thing about 4wd turbos
is they are inherently safe cars especially in the wet. However they can easily give people a false sence of security as well especially on the limit. In the wet they are fairly progressive when they let go and you can catch it and slide fairly easily. However in the dry because of the grip of 4wd when they let go at speed you have to be very quick to catch them. I think while some teenagers have done advanced driver training and might know a few of the characteristics these cars have the majority wouldn’t have a clue.

I’m guessing from the accident location and photo he has come up to the bend at speed I guess 140 plus (im only saying that sort of speed because the WRX especially if it has modified suspension should be able to take that bend at well over 100ks) and just didn’t notice the bend in time and under steered straight across the road hit the gutter and got airborne. Just guessing though as I’m not in Canberra.

Anyway plenty of cars can do that speed on that road its just that its more likely for young drivers to do it in cars like the WRX because the acceleration is fun and addictive. And the more power you have the easier it is to get to those speeds on short straights.

I think there isn’t much you can do about it. Because if you limit a young person to these types of cars how are they going to get experience driving them. They will still buy them as soon as they are off their P plates. I think the only way is to have compulsory advanced driver training. And in the end you cant avoid human error and if its drink driving then it doesn’t matter what car you drive.

Driving down Majura Ave
I fought the tree and the tree won

I fought the tree and the tree won
I need money cause I crashed my Subaru
I fought the tree and the tree won

I fought the tree and the tree won
My parents and friends feel so sad

Cause I crashed my car

I fought the tree and the tree won
I fought the tree and the tree won
Your mates accuse me of being bad

I fought the tree and the tree won

I fought the tree and the tree won
But I could have killed someone

I fought the tree and the tree won

I fought the tree and the tree won
That’s the end of these lyrics

I’m feeling really glad

I fought the tree and the tree won

I fought the tree and the tree won

Excuse me whilst I meander off on a slight tangent.
Respect and disrespect… it’s an interesting notion that somehow the friends and relatives of the driver seem to think the general populace should “respect” the driver.

We should show some pity perhaps, some empathy maybe, sympathy or even sorrow that a young life hangs in the balance, but NOTHING this young man has done deserves our respect.

Wrapping your car around a tree whilst breaking the law (speeding is a crime) deserves no respect. Respect is earned, through deeds and actions, not automatically given as a right and then taken away when you do something stupid.

Think about what respect means before you shoot your mouth off about folks on here “dissin ur bro”.

stewari240 said :

some people are clueless, and to the person that says a 19 year old dosnt have driving experience, i have only just turned 20 and have had so much driver training and motorsport experience i refuce to think that some 35 year old that has dove there VN commodore to work and back, sitting in a computer chair, thinks they have more driving skill and experiance compared to me.

Let me guess, you’re invincible too.

They might not have the same ‘skills’, but they certainly have more ‘experience’ and a far better appreciation of the risks of their actions than nearly any teenager. The road isn’t your private domain and it should be driven/ridden on as if it were a shared resource it is. I think a car with a tree in its midline or thereabouts indicates the pilot might not have been thinking this to be the case. This is only my opinion of course.

Again, I hope the driver recovers and recovers well, but as to his friends and notions of disrespect: kettle, the pot is calling.

All the “motorsport” and “driver training” experience in the world will not compensate if you drive with a piss poor attitude (not saying that you do) Incorrect driver attitude affects all ages.

Havn’t you people worked it out yet, the more you call for a thread to close the more people will shout you down. I personally would like to see a bunch of the Newbies stick around after this thread – you are entertaining and for a large part stay on topic with a bit of abuse thrown in as well.

As for the topic.
Young bloke crashed, hurt and in hospital – bad.
Young bloke disregard for road rules and other road users – bad
Young bloke still alive – good
No one else hurt – excellent
Insurance not paying out – bad for driver
Insurance premiums going up for everyone else – bad
The number of insults thrown around in this thread – priceless.

abc said :

Good… one less dickhead on the roads for a while.

some people are clueless, and to the person that says a 19 year old dosnt have driving experience, i have only just turned 20 and have had so much driver training and motorsport experience i refuce to think that some 35 year old that has dove there VN commodore to work and back, sitting in a computer chair, thinks they have more driving skill and experiance compared to me. come on and wake up to your self! cant believe people are wishing the guy is dead , they should go to hell for there thoughts.

I can’t believe that some people can actually just sit back and happily admit that they wish death on someone, make jokes, name call and laugh at the fact that someone got into a car crash and is hanging on for their life in hospital.

Yes he did make a mistake (who hasn’t) and may have broken the law by speeding but I’m pretty certain that most of you have too in some way or another. Don’t act like you’re all perfect drivers who could never possibly get into a situation like this. I myself have been involved in a car accident where a drunk driver (who was on his full license with so-called “experience”) has crashed into me, so it’s not like I don’t know the impact dangerous drivers have on others. Also I’m sure his family and friends realise that he made a mistake but at the moment they are more busy worrying about more important things such as his LIFE and seeing whether he will make it through or not.
As for the matter of him possibly hurting someone else… the fact of the matter is that HE DIDN’T, regardless of whether it was luck or not. So instead of having a big bitch about it, be thankful that he didn’t and get over it.

Fair enough everyone has their opinions and criticisms but some of the comments made were definitely uncalled for and simply insensitive. Have some respect and be a little more understanding towards his friends and family who are already suffering enough as it is without having to see all these hurtful and rude comments.

Well , what a great bunch of people most of you are……pffft.

1/. To the parents and immediate family – my sympathy and best wishes for your sons
recovery.
2/. To the P plate bashers – this 19yr old is ONLY a P plater due to government legislation in recent years. Pick another target – Z plated limos perhaps, if thats the way they are still rego’d down there.
3/. To the anti speeding freaks – If speeding is so dangerous, why are the police allowed to do it. IMHO there is NO such thing as speeding , except in legislation and for revenue. There is however, dangerous driving, undue care etc etc.
4/. Vehicle restrictions like motorbikes – what a crock of sh**, nearly every 250cc bike I have ridden had more zoom factor, than the 750cc to 1100cc bikes I have owned. Personally I think the wrx is one of the safest vehicles on the road with its superior handling etc….and no, I don’t own one.
5/. To those who call themselves friends of the driver. If you think its OK to tear around suburbia – even at 2am – You are scum. Your friend suffered the penalty for putting his rights above others. Learn from that.
6/. Driver Education is one of the most poorly addressed situations in this country and I dont mean the paperwork crap. Hands on, practical lessons are whats needed and always have been.
7/. Young drivers injured or killed in traffic incidents do not rate highly enough in the statistics department to effect change. This I know, from the loss of a 17yo relative in a vehicle accident not so long ago. Not the same circumstances as this one but the suffering and ill informed attitudes were the same.
8/. Anybody with a well paid job and a generous loan officer can afford a vehicle like a wrx or a merc or a range rover etc. Being young / stupid / inexperienced and having an overly loud car stereo (which should be banned) does not always mean…..drug dealer
9/. We are all responsible in the end, for our own actions, despite OHS and individuals rights. The trick – is to enjoy our rights without impeding on somebody elses. That means driving and thinking………with consideration to others.

you people are so disrespectful.
just because you don’t appreciate the same cars they do. doesn’t mean they should get out of YOUR neighborhood. they were probably there first. if you don’t want noise distraction from cars, go move to a farm in woop woop. seriously. when you live in a state, any state, there is going to be loud cars, so quit your whining about that.

and how do you know he has no respect, you don’t know him, you don’t know what happened that night. i don’t know you, i can’t judge you, i’m not going to not respect you, because i don’t know who you are or what you’ve gone through. BUT from what I’ve read, you guys all need to go get laid and go play a board game or something, release your tension elsewhere, instead of causing pain for other people to make your own life seem better.

To c_123

Yu have no clue what you threatened to do under
http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1900-40/current/pdf/1900-40.pdf

Bogan!

To c_123

Yu have no clue what you threatened to do under
http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/a/1900-40/current/pdf/1900-40.pdf

Bogan!

OK, I will desist if he and his ilk stop belting around my neighbourhood.

All this talk of respect. So I’ll make you a deal, the moment this bloke respects others I’ll respect him.

PJau said :

limiting the pwoer to weight ratio is indeed not going to do anything.

a hynundai excel will do 140km/h in a 60km/h zone just as a rex would.

what it does do is stop excessive speeds being reached in alot of areas that a less powerful/slower car could not acheive.

a hyundai excel will not make 140km/h in even a third of the time a wrx would.. meaning. an irresponsible wrx driver could essentially put himself and others into 3 times the amount of dangerous/unsafe situations.

Having legally owned and operated a Yamaha XVS 1100cc cruiser as a learner bike rider in the ACT, I can tell you that power/weight limits won’t stop stupid drivers from doing stupid things. Sure, it wasn’t an R1 or anything, but that bike *always* left *every* 4-wheeled vehicle at the lights, and it was learner legal (lots of power, but it was a heavy bike, thus under the legal power/weight ratio).

Thats right, and they get caught speeding just the same with the same loss of demerit points.

limiting the pwoer to weight ratio is indeed not going to do anything.

a hynundai excel will do 140km/h in a 60km/h zone just as a rex would.

I don’t see power limits as a magic bullet, but I can see some upsides.

And a smaller engine car doesn’t magically stop being usefull once you lose your Ps.

A hell of a lot of us manage to get by in cars with 2L engines or less just fine.

Yes you can still go very fast in them if you try, but the potential for moments of madness is a lot less.

Sure some will ignore limits but that gives the police something concrete to nail them on other than just having a bad attitude.

Banning passengers on the other hand will encourage drink driving and see young vulnerable people stranded in dangerous situations.

Back in the day I’d rather have got a lift from a friend in a 120Y than see them zoom away in a sports car.

Limiting power/ratio vehicles for P plate licence holders is not the magic answer. The people that are responsible drivers would comply and the ones that aren’t (the ones we want to restrict) will drive those vehicles regardless. Secondly, you can do the same thing, with the same result, in a Dato 180b – just not as efficiently.

A vehicle is a big investment and the good P Platers (most of them) should not be made to buy a car they will only use for the 1-3 years because of the restriction. I do however see a good reason for passenger restriction, as shown in this case, if there were passengers in this vehicle, the front one would most certainly be dead.

The fact that there are us older (possibly experienced)drivers on the road is because we survived that period of invincibility when we had our Ps and drove hotted up cars.

Not all P plate drivers are reckless lunatics, the same applies for drivers of hotted up cars; but occasionally adding the two together and throwing a tree, other car, pedestrian, fence, building or walrus into the equation can lead to a lot of unnecessary hurt for all involved.

I was up in Brisbane over the Easter weekend and the local news was carrying a story of an experienced traffic cop put a V8 police pursuit car into a tree on a relatively straight stretch of dry road, the driver dived clear as the car burst into flames. Reason: SPEED.

The damage to the WRX seems to indicate that he was travelling at a great rate of knots.
The result would have been the same had it been a p-plater, 25yo, 45 yo or an 80yo driving a Ford Anglia. I hope he recovers and tells his mates that disregard for speed limits is not a good thing.

Is there any down-side to power-limiting (just what it says on the dyno rather than messing around with engine sizes) what provisional drivers can legally operate?

What I’m saying is that there areenough accounts, critisisms and pieces of advice here now. Let it go.

“that said, how do we as a society stop this kind of thing from happening in the future? Do we limit the power/weight ratio on cars for learning/P drivers as we do with motorcycles?”

Put graphic warning stickers on all cars?

Enough what? why should we stop posting exactly? because some people find what is written here upsetting?

I don’t know this dude, nor do I know anyone who knows him. I feel for his family and friends, and what they must be going through, but with all due respect – if you want to come here and tell people they can’t express an opinion cause you find it upsetting then you can tell your story walking.

I heard the crash and was woken up at 2am. I ran outside to give assistance but when I got up the street there were plenty of people there. One lady was yelling that she had called an ambulance. I then saw the fire truck come racing out of the station and up the road. I turned around and went back to bed. The worst thing was the sound of the car’s horn continuing for some time after the crash.

Unfortunately for Majura Ave residents this is a common occurance. I have lived there for a couple of years now and have witnessed three major crashes. The first was a young lady in a Hyundai Excell who hit a light pole around 3:30am right out the front of my place. I was sympathetic to her but in retrospect I should have called the police because she did not return to have the wreck taken away for over a week and I suspect she was going to just leave it there because the same night as the accident someone came back and removed the licence plates. She left me a mobile number but when I called it it was fake.

After a week I called the ACT Government and reported the car abandoned and gave them the rego sticker details. I also called ACTEW who came out and removed the pole immediately, as it was dangerous.

Then, three months ago there was that police chase in the evening. I heard the Commodore go past like buggery, and then the crash. I know the police say they terminated the chase way up the road but when I got outside to see if I could help, two unmarked police cars raced by going at least 100. They were going so fast they didn’t even see the car in the tree and only came back after it was called in. I am sympathetic that he is now severly brain damaged, but there was a police chase in Dickson a week before and as I was coming back from Wollies I was nearly hit head on, out the front of Darra College. I suspect that the police terminated that chase, and suspect that it was the same driver (purely speculation though). I was so angry with that driver for not caring that I was nearly killed just by going to the shops. I got home to my partner and baby and it took me an hour or so to calm down.

If I am inside watching TV or whatever and we hear the squeal of tyres we both tense up and wait for the crash. On Sunday morning it was more of the same. I am going to write and ask for a speed camera on that corner because people insist on speeding though it – with four lanes it looks like a raceway.

And in the meantime I am going to have to think about some protection for the front of the house – I have noticed a few people have dirt berms out the front of their houses on Majura Ave and I think this is because of the danger of speeding cars flying off.

I did notice a lot of younger people checking out the crash site on Sunday. I hope they noticed the length of the police markings – he was out of control for over 300 metres.

I understand the anger of friends and families in response to some of the posts here – but I am also angry about having to put up with the fear that one day someone will smash into my living room or worse.

Guys, we should stop posting now. Let the family deal with everything and it’ll pop up in the CT later so we can talk about it then.

Maybe enough is enough…

Hopefully a valuable lesson can be gained from this.

Sure, its sad, but sometimes the worst situations can give the most valuable lessons.
Maybe all the friends and family of said driver will now remember their friend and check their driving habits the next time they want to drive in a manner lending itself to danger.

Mark my words when i say that the only lucky thing about this is that no one else was killed.

As for someone saying that it was 2am and that no one else would be around and it was safe, I guess this has been proven to be a lie, as your friend is in hospital after doing what someone described as safe.

I know for a fact that when I go out for my low light photography, I drive about 50km around town between 10pm and 4am, so to say no one is on the roads is absurd.

Dont try and tell me what I am saying is wrong, because its my opinion, and mine alone and to that end no one can tell me my opinion is wrong. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but in return I ask teh same for mine.

I just feel bad for the people who had to attend the scene, I was 2nd on the scene of a motor vehicle suicide into a tree on wentworth avenue in about 2001.

At the time, I was 23, and a shift working chef.

The car was compacted and I could clearly see a deceased individual in the driver seat being consumed by fire. Something that will stay with me forever.

Slow down and respect road rules, regardless of your age or licence status.

Clo123 – give it a week and you wont find many people interested in googling this particular incident. On balance though i think the comments in this thread are quite moderate and relevant to the underlying issue albeit graced with the occasional troll with an opinion.

that said, how do we as a society stop this kind of thing from happening in the future? Do we limit the power/weight ratio on cars for learning/P drivers as we do with motorcycles?

There was a show on telly last night called “Serious Crash Investigation”, filmed in New Zealand. The episode told the woeful tale of a young driver who had almost no driving experience, using excessive speed, who came sideways around a slight bend, mounted the footpath and ploughed through a group of children and adults who were doing letterbox drops. He seriously maimed one of the adults and several children. One child, a 3 year old girl, ended up in intensive care as the back wheel of his hotted up car ran over her perfect little 3 year old head. She thankfully lived, but has severe lifelong injuries as a result.

But to the Friends of the P-Plater Who smashed into a Tree, you are all right of course, your friend had the admirable judgement to drive with reckless abandon on a public street at 2am in the morning when all the families and children, grannies, model citizens and other people who have the ability to use correct spelling and grammar, were all safely tucked up in bed. What a great bloke, I hope he is OK!

I think enough has been written on this topic already to make everyone’s thoughts pretty clear on the matter so I for one will stop reading/posting on the matter.

I wish the driver a safe and full recovery.

To papadoc and everyone posting comments,

We, the family and friends of the driver, understand that you have rights to freely express your point of the view on the situation.

However, when we type in the details of the accident in Google, all the hurtful and disrespectful comments you have written, are the first to come up.

Yes indeed Papadoc, where was the respect for anyone that could have been hurt? While I see your point, this is not YET an issue of primary concern for the friends and family of the driver. So to see such harsh comments, while true they may be, is something we cannot yet deal with. Not until the driver has at least regained consciousness. All that matters at the moment is that the driver pulls through. This is why some of the comments have been so disrespectful.

So we ask that you please stop posting any such comments on this forum, even personal experience as it will just lead to more criticism on the drivers behalf.

PLEASE STOP POSTING

Thank you

It sounds like that the unfortunate driver’s friends/relatives believe that it’s acceptable to drive dangerously and you are above criticism if you do so, as long as you are a good bloke and loyal mate.

Thats the thing, it is not acceptable and because you are close to him your judgment is quite naturally clouded. The fact that he has badly hurt himself as a result does not make him immune from the general publics criticism and disappointment.

One of my mates is in his 30’s and drives a red SS Commodore like a mad man and I refuse to get into it with him. Should I ever find he has wrapped himself around a tree I will not be surprised nor will I be disappointed in the community should they judge him in a negative light accordingly. I’m not one to smooth over my mates faults when it suits me to do so.

c_123,

The problem as I see it is that while everyone hopes your cousin recovers that still doesn’t mean we aren’t furious at the danger he placed himself and the rest of us in.

People should be able to go to sleep at night safe in the knowledge that no-one is going to try and fling a tonne of metal at their homes in the night.

They should be able to drive on the roads safe in the knowledge that there won’t be a car coming back at them in wrong lane at high speed.

And the majority of responsible P-Platers shouldn’t be having their lives messed up (with increased restrictions) because one person decided that the rules didn’t apply to him.

So people are angry and he’s not going to get a lot of respect for a while.

You can get angry here all you like but it’s not going to change it.

I feel really sorry for this man, his friends and family.

I know that when I first started driving it was a small accident (my fault rear ender) that made me realise that there’s far more to driving than what I thought. I wasn’t as competent as I thought I was. I agree that having an accident (usually/hopefully) makes you drive more responsibility.
Foreseeing the possible consequences before you doing something is far better than looking back and realising that everything could have been avoided.

I think about all the times I got in the a car with idiot boyfriends or friends, male and female, that drove like morons and think about how easily an accident could have happened and how I wouldn’t be here.

I know this young man was by himself, but I’m sure this wasn’t the first time he sped on a suburban street or was a bit of a hoon. Tell your friends, boyfriends, mum or dad next time they are driving irresponsibly or if you know they are a bit of a hoon that it scares you. What if a kid stepped out on the road around a corner? Could they stop? Then tell them that, make them imagine the consequences and maybe they’ll drive more responsibly because they are not the only person on the road and in one second things can change dramatically – that’s what drivers, especially young drivers, need to realise and get through their heads. Cars are from getting from A-B not for hooning around in, because in the end they’ll have only themselves to blame and a lot of people hurting. We take chances in cars everyday just by driving on the road but don’t take unnecessary ones; it’s just not worth it.

To c_123

You talk about respect, yet was it not your cousin who was drunk, driving at high speeds through suburban streets in a loud car at 2am? Where’s the respect for the residents of said street? Where’s the respect for the other drivers on the road who could have been harmed when his car flew out of control? In fact, where’s his respect for his family who now have to watch him suffer knowing it was all his fault?

I don’t agree with what a lot have people have said on this forum, but even you have to admit that it was a pretty stupid thing to be doing. Imagine it wasn’t a tree he collided with and imagine it was a person. It could have been anything and regardless of how good a driver your cousin’s friends claim him to be, he was lucky he only hit a tree.

People make mistakes, people f**k up and that’s what he’s done. It’s cost him his car, no doubt his licence and possibly his life. Those who are offended by the truth should cover their eyes now, but the kid was stupid on Saturday night. He knew the dangers of drink driving, he knew the dangers of speeding and he knew the power he had at his feet. He abused the law and now has to deal with the outcomes of his actions. To say that he is a good driver is all well and good, but a good driver doesn’t drive drunk or spped at high levels in suburban streets.

He’s the one who is responsible for his actions, he’s the one responsible for putting his family through all this and he’s the one who now has to deal with the outcomes of one nights stupidity.

I’m not saying he’s a stupid bloke, but from what I’ve read and heard from his mates, he was a good bloke who did a stupid thing.

This topic needs to be ended now.

To those who have disrespected my cousin, and in particular, that f*ggot abc.

Nice to meet all you heartless people that have nothing better to do but talk down the driver, my cousin. Thank you for disrespecting my grieving family, and I honestly hope that one day you feel the suffering we have been going through every minute of the day for him to pull through. I don’t even know any of you bad mouthing idiots, and you do not even know the person my cousin is, so how dare you think you have the right to laugh and make jokes about him, his condition and the accident and turn it into some stereotypical discussion on P-Platers, cars and other ridiculous bull. You’re talking about A PERSON, MY FAMILY, who fell into a coma, and who is trying to hold onto his life.

Please, if you continue to write comments SO FREELY that upset my family due to your arrogance and lack of respect, leave your name, number and address. If you have something nice to say or thats decent, thank you, its appreciated.

To abc- I would love your name and address as well. I hope you lose your life you insensitive and heartless fool, why don’t I laugh that off aye? HA HA (isn’t that what you said about my cousin in hospital? making jokes?) I’ll come piss on your grave and take a picture. no worries about that.

What happened to communittees coming together and respecting each other? When this forum proves a community coming together whining and bitching about my cousin’s accident and puting their own issues on him just because they’ve had a bad time on the road. Go give a hard time to the person or should I say (stereotypical p-plater) that was actually annoying you on the road. That wasn’t my cousin so stop relating your problems of other drivers to him, if it was, give me his number plate? do you write down every car that is being innappropriate on the road? I didn’t think so. If you have nothing decent to say don’t say it at all. It’s plain rude and hurtful. It’s a time of pain and suffering, not a time of insult and jokes.

[Ed – it should be noted that publishing personal details is against RiotACT’s Terms & Conditions and should anyone do so that post will be deleted and the poster likely band.]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that he was out drinking all night? What happened to him is horrible and I don’t wish it upon anyone, but drink driving and speeding through suburban streets is a recipe for disaster.

None of his mates can deny he was drunk can they?

ya know… if I’d had an crash like that.. my friends would all be round by my side, rallying in support, and caring, and being worried and upset.

They’d still call me a fucking idiot for driving in such a manner as to wrap my car around a tree.

note – I’m not criticising the guy as a person, or as a p-plater, or cause he’s drivnig a wrx, or anything like that. I’m criticising the way he drove to make the crash happen. (And let’s not call it an accident, K ?)

I’d be exactly the same with my friends – if they drove in such a way as to cause themselves to have a crash like that, of course i’d care, and i’d be worried, and upset, and scared, but i’d still think they were a fucking idiot.

Maybe this is the lesson the guy needs. (Lets face it, most young drivers do need a crash, to realise they aren’t immortal.)
Most younger drivers have at least one crash. It’s just a shame it’s messed him up so bad. At the same time, I’m glad he wasn’t able to mess anyone else up.
If he pulls through, and has the chance to do it again, I fervently hope that he has learnt.

I’m a young driver. I’ve had several crashes, that can clearly only be my fault. Luckily, I haven’t been hurt. I’m pretty sure I learnt my lesson now. But you know what my mates said when the crashes happened ? “suck shit. serves you right for driving like a dickhead”

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/we-need-to-raise-driving-age-to-18/2008/03/15/1205472157863.html

This was in the newspaper not so long ago. If surgeons don’t think that teenagers have the appropriate discriminating ability, who am I to argue?

The only solace this kid can take is that no-one else was involved.

KoA,

It was 2am, I was in bed, and I didn’t know for sure if anything had happened at all. The crash was out of sight. (as opposed to the road block later which was in view).

If it had been in front of my window then yes I’d have called the appliances and tried to rescue him, something which I did for drunk teenagers (still clutching their beer bottles) a few years ago.

PJau

” “I am not a crash investigator but my reading…” “

I’m not a crash investigator, but I can promise you he was doing more than the legally posted speed limit of 60kmh.

This thread is proof that anyone under the age of 25 is not just mentally unable to understand the concept of cause and effect, and it probably also illiterate.

If WRX boy had taken time out of his busy life and invested in advanced driver training courses, or invested in a helmet and a fire extinguisher and gone up to a Wakefield Park Open day to satisfy his need for speed, this incident may never have happened.

PJau said :

None of you even know for a fact that he was speeding. “I am not a crash investigator but my reading…” Just, stop there mate. So your not a crash investigator, then you’ve got no idea.

its pretty clear that he was… look at the photo

Wishing this kid all the best.
Sorry to the friends and family for any alleged insults.
However, I’ve just read this forum from top to bottom and I am yet to find anything personally directed at the driver asides from the fact that he is a P-Plater driving a Rex.
I can understand the friends are upset because they want to protect their friend. That’s fair enough. However, you have to understand that the circumstances he has found himself in open him up for criticism. I have also lost a friend through a car crash – P-Plater, going too fast, same circumstances. It sucks. But you’ve also got to understand that by the community expressing outrage over the circumstances of this crash, it means they want to do something to prevent it from happening again.
I also have to question: what is a P-Plater doing driving a Rex? No matter how mature someone is, at the end of the day he is a 19 year old male with not enough driving experience to handle that sort of car. I think it’s high time the ACT started looking at bans on performance cars for young drivers. Sure, it’s probably not going to stop all accidents but I bet it makes a big difference on serious injuries and deaths suffered by young people in high speed accidents.
One only needs to look at the state of the car and the fact the street is signposted 60kmh to know he was speeding. The Rexes do not buckle at the sides that easily. Therefore, I think it is fair for me and other posters to say that he was driving negligently.
Before you start resorting to petty insults and calling me a dickhead or whatever, it may interest you to know that I am reasonably young (under 25) and I also drive a Rex. However, I am mature enough to acknowledge the fact that at 19, I wouldn’t have had the driving experience to handle it. Even now, there’s some times when I feel like driving like a hoon. When I feel like this I go to Wakefield. Either way, it’s still not the safest option but it’s all about mitigating the risk. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been known to put the foot down on a quiet highway. But each time I’ve done this, I’ve thought of the possible damage I could cause to someone in a passing car if I lost it because I was driving beyond my capabilities. And I take my foot off the accelerator. It’s unfortunate your friend didn’t think of this, and I sincerely hope he does get a second chance.

To King of Akron:

“His done so much for me out of his own time.”

I remember the guys friends who topped himself in Gungahlin saying the same thing. Yeah right.

I remember the friends (1st hand) of the guy getting killed outside Cube saying what a good guy he was. Seems the courts thought otherwise.

To Carlito:

You should see s35 of the ACT Crimes Act 1900. and since you used a Telecommunications Device to threaten someone you should seek legal advice.

To PJau:

“as though your wishing death upon this guy”

Maybe. Imagine the cost on everyone if because of his stupid behaviour he is now seriously brain damaged.

I cant beleive some of you people, do you guys actually have a conscience?

This kid is in a criticle condition in hospital, he has a family. Can you even to being to imagaine how they feel? Maybe some of you can and i’m guessing those of you that are acting like complete wankers.

None of you even know for a fact that he was speeding. “I am not a crash investigator but my reading…” Just, stop there mate. So your not a crash investigator, then you’ve got no idea.

Going by the comments some of you have posted, its almost as though your wishing death upon this guy. None of you were there. none of you are officers that attended the scene.
So what in the world makes any of you think you have the right to think you know what happend, and pass judgment?

I think allot of you need to sit back back for a moment and realise that your not king sh*t sitting there behind your computer, and realise for once that you do not know everything.

Johnboy – I understand where you are coming from in referrence to ‘if i heard a clunk then good’ as I’m taking the assumption that you would have preferred him to crash into something and not someone. I personally, behind all the biase am grateful that no-one else was involved due to the fact that my friend having the death of a friend or random on his mind would make it even worse on him. I justify that statement.
However,in saying that from what I’ve read with your post it seemed like you were pretty close to the accident scene yet did nothing at all? Reckless or not, wouldnt it be the humane thing to assist someone in any means necessary to see if he was okay. I mean sure, someone else called the authorities, but had there not been anyone else would you have done the same thing Sounds to me you slept it off and that the accident was a mere distraction to your sleep.
To be honest if i was ever involved in an accident I would love to know that any random driver, pedestration etc would have the courtesy to save my life or see if I’m okay. Ive pulled over randomly to assist ppl with car troubles, ppl i didnt even know. Everyone has some kind of good in them. Bearing in mind that Im writing under the assumptions from your post, were you that mad at my friend for waking you up that you wouldnt have even bothered to help him by contacting authorities and checking to see if he was okay (bearing in mind the trauma one may suffer)?
Is there so much hate on one another, so much bias toward one group that given a situation of life and death, we’d rather them die then to save them?
I’m very thankful to the person who contacted the authorities after the accident to alert them of what happened because he would have died had it been in an isolated location. There is no doubt in my mind that if someone had an accident and my mate (WRX) or I for that matter were in the vicinity we would do whatever, even if its only a little part to make sure the victim has every chance to live.
The question is would you’se do the same regardless if he was breaking the law, P plater, speeding, a wanker like ABC?

friend or not a friend. you guys should have more respect.
the fact is he didn’t run into someone’s house, there was no one on that road at 2am in the morning. and nothing happened to anyone else.
i am going to assume you guys are all old farts, because you all have the time and energy
to go and bitch and moan about anything and everything in sight.

so why don’t you imagine, your best friend, your brother, your son, in the same situation. Lying in that hospital bed, fighting for their lives.
What would you do? You’d be doing the same thing all HIS friends and family are doing, you’d be trying to respect them. Trying to get rid of all the filth that’s talking shit about them.

don’t go assuming things, because you don’t know anything.
stop trying to make it sound like you’re never going to be in that situation, even the best drivers crash, and you people have no right to say that he isn’t a good driver.

Quote: “Good… one less dickhead on the roads for a while.”
Why are YOU assuming he is a dickhead? You’re the dickhead here, abc. You write the dumbest things and are continually talking shit. It’s not just you either, there’s others, go get lives all of you.

This 19year old was 2 weeks off getting his full license. So he’s had plenty of experience. Don’t go saying that P-platers have no experience, because they can probably drive better than all you people that are bitching and moaning about jack shit.

You people disgust me. Go get lives. and find something better to talk about.
Rather than making fun of serious accidents and events which happen in the community around you.

Johnboy i respect some of the things you have to say there but its more comments like these that im shocked over..

“Good… one less dickhead on the roads for a while.”

“I hope the tree is OK. Oaks are tough as guts”

“Serious waste of a good car.”

and ofcourse

“along with the fully sick subwoofer in the boot.”

“and why there is a test and why you can have a licence to drive revoked: because it is NOT a right. it is a ‘privilege’ – suggest you look that up.”

That one always cracks me up. Who exactly decided that it would be a privilege to let us drive a car. Does it some how go back to the days when we rode horses. Was it a privilege to ride a horse in those days?

wonderbread said :

Carlito said :

Whats with this ‘could of killed people’ crap, if he was doing dangerous driving he was doing it at 2am expecting the streets to be quiet.

There is no “safe” time for speeding or reckless driving….this is the attitude I’m talking about. If anyone drives with that attitude, they deserve to have their licence put through the shredder.

I’ll make a rare re-appearance here as this debate is largely my fault (as evidenced I imagine by all the moronic foul language).

Kerces and I were asleep at my parents house visiting for Easter.

I was woken up around 2 by the sound of a car blatting past on full boost.

My thoughts were:

1) That’s a Subaru
2) He’s really moving
3) If that clunk I heard was him crashing then good.

I’ve lived a lot of my life on busy roads, it takes a lot to wake me up and the sound of a car really moving stands out.

I was woken again around 5am, by the police lights flashing through the window. I mention this not to criticise the police but to note the embuggerance of a catastrophically bad driver on large numbers of people.

So hello friends and family of the young driver. He drove catastrophically badly. How can we tell? Because he had a catastrophic accident.

I am not a crash investigator but my reading of their markers and the lack of skid marks suggest to me that he had no idea how much trouble he was in until he was airborne and sideways.

He crossed two lanes of oncoming traffic and the only reason he didn’t wreck someone’s house was because he hit the tree.

That he chose to be a menace to society (literally) in the wee hours doesn’t change the fact that nothing but dumb luck prevented him from killing someone else.

There is no way he could have known as he entered that corner that there was no one coming back the other way.

I have driven fast, I have driven stupid. If I left a four lane road in dry conditions on a gentle bend and wrapped myself around a tree I like to think I’d be honest enough to myself to accept any criticism that came my way.

When a 30 something drunk makes a murderous prang they’ll cop a deserved bollocking here I have no doubt. When a pensioner fails to make a head check (bad necks) and cleans someone up I imagine we’ll discuss their menace.

But when a P plater chooses to drive a high performance car so very very badly then they can cop it too.

Like everyone else I hope he lives to learn from being such a complete wanker,

If it was a family member or friend of mine I’d be lining up to tell them they’d been an idiot.

Carlito said :

Whats with this ‘could of killed people’ crap, if he was doing dangerous driving he was doing it at 2am expecting the streets to be quiet.

you are a moron, stop posting. there are people out at that time, some people posting are people who are or know people who are out at the time, this driver and every other idiot driver who are out speeding at that time and crash could potentially kill these people. hopefully its someone like you who gets hit instead of someone totally innocent if you are an advocate for defending this kind of driving.

“Imagine if it happened to you or your mate” etc etc etc. The difference between us and you, Friends of the P-Plater Who smashed into a Tree, is that we, and our friends, imagine what happens if we drive recklessly BEFORE we do it. Not afterwards.

Quote: “this guy is a good mate of mine”

Bearing that in mind, imagine if you were with him and in the front passenger seat of that car?? You wouldn’t be here to type that post, I can assure you.

I fear that the biggest problem with drivers (young and old) alot drive with poor attitudes. Usually along the lines of “accidents don’t happen to me.” “I drive too good and these things don’t happen to me”. WRONG….. it does and sadly sometimes they don’t get the chance to learn your lesson or learn that it CAN happen to them.

I hope he does get the chance to learn from this.

If only we had a way to change driver attitude, because if we did, crashes like this would not happen.

After reading some of the comments that have been posted about this accident, i never realised how insensivtive some ppl could be.
i hope those who are critising this porr guys have thought about what it would feel like to be put into their shoes or in the shoes of his familymemebrs and close friends, when something as serious as thing happens no one looks for blame, critisim and whether or not they should have been doin it. whats done is done, out of respect for his family and friends and as for respect for yourselves a human beings consider what your saying and how what you could be saying could be effecting someone else.

Everyone makes mistakes and im sure alot of the ppl, that you posters know, has done a stupid mistake that has gotten them into trouble, bet u wouldn’t want someone making comments about them….think about it before you say something..even if it doesn’t have anything to do with driving…we learn from them and im sure that this driver will learn from this..

FYI: just becasue your a P Plater doesn’t always mean that your wreckless, just because someone is driving around at 2 am doesn’t mean that they were committing crimes such as drug dealing and that goes for owning a wrx also. There are alot of hard working young ppl that work hard for a car like that.

I pay respects to his family and hope that he recovers, i also hope that none of his family memebers read these disgraceful comments.

All of the driver’s friends are not doing him many favours with their foul language and general abusive aimed at people who dare suggest that he was speeding and driving quite dangerously.

Yes it is very tragic that he crashed and has seriously hurt himself, but all of us “Old Farts” on here are simply grateful that he didn’t smash into another driver or through someone’s bedroom. Cause THAT my young friends would be a true tragedy.

I wish him best in his recovery and hope that he and all drivers learn about the dangers of speeding as a result. Although it seems that young drivers in particular don’t learn the lessons of others too well. They feel compelled to make their own mistakes in quite spectacular ways.

Yes, people of all ages are involved in car accidents but the younger ones are more likely to involve excessive speed which will always have more consequence then a pensioner going through a give way sign.

Whats with this ‘could of killed people’ crap, if he was doing dangerous driving he was doing it at 2am expecting the streets to be quiet.

read my post above you moron, imagine if he had hit one of your mates/parents and you didnt know the driver?

im below 25 aswell. have some respect for people who are sick of having Their friends/families put at risk by stereotypical ‘idiot young drivers in high powered cars’.

your friend might be none of the above besides a young driver. but events still turned out the same and he could have killed people. shut up.

Ever had your boots in a pool of blood Oldfart? Ever had to check a roadside for missing limbs from a high speed crash? Ever identified a dead body? Ever been in a morgue? Ever had to break news of a tragic needless death to a relative?

Or worse, ever wiped the backside of a severely injured relative? Or when they are sort of patched together found a p plate clad wrx parked in the disabled spot when you are trying to take them to the doctors?

Now go look after your mate and drive carefully you moron.

MY MONEY IS ON A BUNCH OF CHILDISH ADULTS NOT GETTIN ENOUGH LOVIN, JUST LOVING TO HAVE A WHINGE…..LOOKS LIKE I WIN…
lets wait till one of your mates get into an accident and is in the same situation, same age, and see what people say about him. see how you feel, especially if you were a family member. have some respect.

probably not, the forum would just be about an anonymous over 25y/o person speeding in a suburban street.

if he wasnt on p-plates, probably a similar story because he is still under 25. insurance judges us by it, why cant everyone else.

Censorship is a nasty word. Please keep it going and see if his “mates” can provide some insights into why this happened. My money is on a botched suicide attempt.

if my mate was not below 25 and the same thing had happened, you would all be acting differently. thats a fact, only because he is holding a P permit you believe that he is not a competent driver. like i have said before, he made a mistake, as for breaking the rules on the road, i have been tail gatted many times by idiot drivers that were not P-platers,
anyway, can we please stop this FORUM.

In reply to Ant “We are the people you tailgate, harass, and abuse on the roads.”

Please tell me where you live so that i may have the enjoyment of doing those.

Dear ant,

Obviously you are blind to the actions of others on the road and well, your own actions possibly. please leave my friend alone, luckily for you it was not someone you know.
and hopefully you will never have to experience it yourself.

thanks for your comments, on behalf of friends of my mate and all the people that know him, can we please have this forum closed. I know his family well and all his mates also. neither ‘b’ or myself will be disclosing any information on our friend.

Thankyou.

… and I exempt Akron from the “semi-literate, abusive and unintelligent” description. However, my point is, we’re expressing our utter frustration with this kind of event. Please surprise us with something that confutes the known facts: that he was 19, driving a WRX, that he wrapped it round a tree in a residential street, evidently going at considerable speed, and he was a P plater.

Guess he used up all his “seecond chances”.

Could i ask that this page or story be blocked or deleted or whatever the action is. Sole concern is for family and friends of victim seeing what has been written. All who want to know details on the matter im not going to disclose and i hope u understand my request.

Dear Friends of the Person Who Smashed Himself, His Car and A Tree To Bits:

You are confirming every assumption we’ve made thus far with your semi-literate, abusive, unintelligent posts. We are the people you tailgate, harass, and abuse on the roads. We’re also the mugs who pay the taxes that pay for the people who pick up the pieces after your youthful escapades. And you might shut up for a moment and notice that we’re not happy. And we’re not very sympathetic, either.

Ant – Put it this way. If your best mate did the same thing and was fighting for his life and you came across a site liek this where ppl were making a mockery of his will to live, his right to life, his family, his health would you sit here and agree with everything and not fight back.
Your critisicms, let me rephrase the forums critiscims are on the basis of his car accident and not him personally. Thats why were angry. You guys are making judgements on him on the sheer basis of his driving capabilities. Maybe he was careless that night but does that truly reflect him as an individual. Like TRULY How does that relate to what he is like personally, his impact on his friends, his personality and his good heart. His done so much for me out of his own time. Its just the type of person he is and like someone said, everyone makes mistakes, but only a few are not given second chances.
Regards

if he had killed someone in this accident, passenger/pedestrian/another driver etc.
would you all (his friends who have posted here so indignant and offended at responses so far) have the same opinion and be sticking up for him so whole heartedly??

i [d]ucking hope not.

The people posting here have every right to stereotype, this person WAS speeding, he WAS breaking the law, he could have Killed any number of there family/friends in doing so but luckily he didnt. However, it doesnt change the fact that he Could have by Selfishly Breaking the law.

all of you should be less [d]ucking selfish and think of what could have been from this accident besides the victims self inflicted hurt.

this said, i do hope he gets better because it was most likely a mistake and Not many people deserve to die at 19.

ruin something that is there to protect everyone and expect to be judged harshly

hey again all, jus a quick note to all you BASTARDS….F**K YOU,

go critise someone else you faggot, ur a clown, show some FKN respect and piss off.

He is like family to me, and all you dumbass bastards thinkin that your kins shit…F**K YOU…that is all

leave my mate alone and let him have his peace. he made a mistake and he is payin for it. get over it and just leave him alone. Its unfortunate that we arent critising your shit driving skills instead of his mistake..
Peace out…FAGGOTS.

Seeing “b” seems to know heaps about this matter perhaps he can explain if his good mate was under severe emotional stress (ie suicidal), under the influence of alcohol or some other substance? Extremely tired perhaps? Did he hold a licence? Was it his car at all? Any other circumstances that might explain things a bit?

I, for one, am extremely tired of dumb people (of all ages, genders and races) driving cars in an extremely dangerous manner in the inner north.

ant …

do u get whta im sayin? iuno if u commenting back to me but the facts are:
hes in hospital with fighting for his life…how does it make him exempt from criticism… it doesnt just realise ppl are reading this and its not helping…the ppl commenting on his personal life is who im havn a dig at…no1 else..

And to all his friends that are writing on this site please pray for him because tomorrrow they will find out the extent of his brain injuries.
Thank you

It’s sheer luck that he didn’t smash other people to bits, along with himself. It’s sheer luck that he hit a very sturdy tree, rather than smashing through someone’s front window. Yes, we will criticise him. The fact that he is “fighting for his life” in hospital notwithstanding. actually, I expect there’s a bunch of doctors and nurses “fighting for his life”. Damn straight, we’ll criticise him. Why does his being in hospital somehow exempt him from criticism?

imotep or woteva it is.
iuno if ur one of those ppl who thinks they can comment on others lives but all im saying is that this is a public viewing site and many of my mates loved ones will search aswel…so all jsut watch ur posts.

i dont care about debating on p-platers, young drivers, acceptable behaviousr? pff iuno were that one came from. But yeh i think yall get wot im sayn…im not here to argue about the general issues just trying to make it about him not just another statistic

“do u hold your kids hands in the toilet to”
lol what a legend

To Ian,
whether i was his friend or had no connection what some have posted is disrespectful. Without knowing the full details myself i dont think anyone has a right to judge or stereotype anyone. iuno if this forum is for current news events or a a critising gossip fest..truthfully i dont care…all i care about is that this was one of the first sites that came up in google when i was searching for more information on my friends crash, its apublic site and anyone can read it…just think b4 you post…ps:thats to everyone not just ian…you just were the one to teply to my comment.

After reading all these comments, I have found how slack some of you people are. Yes I’m going to single out ‘abc’. You call a good mate of mine a dickhead, a knob and laugh at him for taking on a tree. What kind of person says that about someone that is in a coma fighting for his life in hospital. Sure he made a mistake but what human being is perfect? You? What has society become? Is there so much hate for P Platers that if they crash everyone is happy for the greater community because there’s one less ‘dickhead’ on the road. You are such a stereotypical wanker and I’m sure if we found out what type of social class you are, we’d find definite flaws. WE’ve all broken the law and to say you havent is a load of bullshit. My mate worked hard for his car, in fact he was coming home from a gig the night of the accident.
So quit saying shit behind a computer screen and show some compassion. If you have some disrespectul judgemental view keep it to yourself. In a time like this, it hurts for his friends to see comments posted making a mockery of his accident, his family and his fight for life.

Well if you think young guys racing around city streets in high powered cars late at night is not a public issue, I’m sorry.

I know from my own experience that this behavior puts others at risk, not just the drivers themselves. And if you believe that;
-this is acceptable behaviour
-nothing should be done about it
-he was an ‘experienced’ driver
-and nobody but his friends can comment on it

then tough luck. I think you are wrong.

On another note, maeliner, your a complete idiot, F**K ur comment, ur inconsiderate and obviously have no respect for anyone.

If anythin, im happy to critise you because well your an ass clown, it was prob you that ran through the red light and nearly hit me.
Also, his parents a freakin good people, now as for you, your obviously not, do u hold your kids hands in the toilet to…screw you, your a nobody

#31 – how is a 19 yo able to afford such a car? Whenever I see really young people in flashy, performance or luxury cars, my first thought is always drug dealer.

As for his friends posting, I’d say its valid to criticise him for putting himself in the position where he had the crash. He was obviously driving too fast in a high powered car which he was not sufficiently equipped by his driving skills and experience to handle. Don’t hoon around in a fast car, and your chances of wrapping yourself around a tree are much reduced.

Even though his health situation is of his own making, I do hope he recovers.

Right on Bro,

Im in the same boat as ‘b’. I cant Believe the disrespect of all you big headed people that just think you can critise someone not knowing anything about FIRSTLY – his FAMILY, SECONDLY – his well being, he is lying in a F**KN Hospital bed and all you true blue aussies are nothin but shit, pardon my french…

He made a mistake, and i pretty damn sure that all you have made a mistake once in your lives, you just have given a chance to make it better. he is one of my mates and naturally i would stick up for him, but that doesnt mean you can critise all P-platers, i have seen worse things happen by all you old bastards…i nearly got hit by an APPARENT experience driver that went through a red light in broad daylight, speeding, and all the old kook did was look at me, didnt even slow down,

And well its not only P-platers to be blamed for road deaths and you all know that, if you think otherwise, pull your head out of your F**KN ass. who ever said he deserved it, i would have said the same about u fif it happened to you, your a joke. grow up and have the balls to jus pay your respects for a man hangin onto dear life….for the future bastards that critise my mate, screw you, he is a top bloke, no one ever wants to hear about this sort of news happening to their own friends or family so show some respect…

I cant believe this…

I come back back from a weekend away,hear rumours of my good mate being in a car accident, look on the net to find out about it and read some of the posts on here. Are you f**kn serious, he’s fighting for his f**kn life!!! and ppl write some pretty DISRESPECTFUL sh*t. Even after reading it and calming down a bit i cant believe the hide of anyone who can write some of the stuff i read. You should be ashamed and to talk about his parents! WTF you judge without evn knowin the guy

As for all saying about driving skills, who the hell are you to know about that, actually it doesnt evn matter about his driving skills, his age, his car…lukily no1 else is hurt BUT MY FRIEND IS IN THE F**KN HOSPITAL WITH BRAIN DAMAGE AND A COLLAPSED LUNG, he was in a damn coma …no1 has the right to comment on anything unless they are praying for him!

This is an awful result, and I sincerely hope for the best for his recovery.

But a little perspective could be brought to bear. Youth have been speeding/racing on the road in fast cars at least from the sixties, when initially hotting up mundane vehicles, and then the manufacturer’s horsepower race resulted in very fast but sometimes suss cars available at cheap prices. Road racing Olde Fartes like myself are here as a result of a good deal of luck. You learnt pretty quickly too.

Young drivers were as ill prepared then as they are now. I suspect the fatality rate back then was considerably higher than now, given the generally poorer roads, tyres, brakes, lack of seatbelts and crashworthiness of the cars.

None of this compensates for the dreadful situation this young man finds himself in. It is little consolation that he is not Robinson Crusoe.

If folks would care to take a chill pill and pause for a moment,

I don’t think anyone will deny he messed up – But there’s a 19 year old kid in hospital in a very, very bad way right now. Imagine if it was your mate/brother/son/boyfriend.

It can’t be an easy time for friends + family, hence some posters becoming more emotive than others (and I don’t blame them one bit).

Anyone crashing a car in a 60 km/h zone and causing that much damage to themselves and vehicle was clearly doing well over the speed limit. Those speed signs are there for a good reason and should be adhered to, no matte what the time of day or night or vehicle.

However, let’s not stigmatise the young “P” platers here. We hear of plenty of bad things done by the greying brigade, eg drink driving after work functions, that make it hard for them to get on any pedastal and breach. Oh yes, they also got their licences in very dubious circumstances.

… and its terrible news that this young man’s life is pretty much ruined (whether he survives or not).

Mælinar said :

(2am, in a WRX, bespeaks quality parental skills).

the person is 19, not 12… im worried for your children if you would be so controlling when your children are 19.

Carlito said :

You people consider yourselves so ‘responsible’ and yet i catch you critiscising people who are possibley on the brink of death, come on.

as for this, you are a moron.. this subaru didnt drive itself into a tree. he could have killed people, luckily for him he didnt.

Yep, happy to criticise him even when he is on the brink of death. Cars don’t just wrap themselves around trees on purpose, although I have seen a movie where they move about all on their own and stuff, I think it was called Carz.

I’m going to be more critical of his parents though, alowing him to be in such a position (2am, in a WRX, bespeaks quality parental skills). The onus is fully on their heads, the survivability of their child.

and quickly just one more thing on the whole p-plater restrictions argument … no matter what you restrict there’s always going to be people who will ignore it and buy whatever car they want…

a more realistic way of tackling the issue is give L-platers and P-platers more driver training which will help them on the street…

^^ exactly carlito hit the nail on the head!!!

fair enough he broke the law and i’m sure everyone has before… weather or not you have been caught is another question… this guy is a good mate of mine and i’m not gonna come on here and say he is the most experienced driver and his never done anything wrong before in his life…

i dont see how having a sub in the boot of his car puts him in a fully sick driver.. yes he drives a wrx so does half of aus… my mate just made a mistake and is now fighting for his life in hospital so please give just a bit of respect for his family, relatives and friends …

Oh noes lawbreakers! Never seen one of those before!!

You guys need to grow up, get your hipocrit faces out of your asses, the guy is in hospitable for crying out loud, and thats right, guy not kid.

You people consider yourselves so ‘responsible’ and yet i catch you critiscising people who are possibley on the brink of death, come on.

yeah… he’s fully sick driver….. go and have a look at the road tigerlilly and see the course he took before the tree won.. Lucky there was no one else heading the other way…. oh hang on… he’s a really good driver.

He’s not… because he was doing way over the speed limit… he was, and is a law breaker.

Nail on the head, Thumper.

You don’t get into a situ like that tootling along at 60km/h in a car that’s setup to handle brilliantly like a WRX.

Well Lilly, he’s a 19 year-old guy who wrapped his hotted-up car around a tree at 2 in the morning, and it sure looks as though he may have been going a tad fast…

It’s not the time to pipe up and say what a good driver he is. Unfortunately, he IS the stereotypical P plater. I hope he recovers, but this will keep happening until legislation exists to stop inexperienced drivers exposing themselves (and others) to risks like that.
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” ..know how much of an experienced driver he is.. “

Obviously not enough experience. See photo at top of thread.

tiger-lilly there is very rarely any defense that will excuse a driving outcome like this. Don’t get yourself into an argument that you will probably not win, and definitely regret starting.

Maybe they work? And yes I know the guy and I know he does work and I know how much of an experienced driver he is. Stereotypically P-platers in most people’s views are by far the worse drivers on the road just because they’re young and often mentioned in terms of car crashes in the media. It is really unfair to be so judgmental yes a handful of p-platers are not doing the right thing i.e. speeding, talking on the phone whilst driving but majority are still doing the right thing. And I am pretty sure there are people on this forum who has done that kind of things. So why are you giving p-platers and this guy a hard time? He’s suffering enough being in hospital fighting for his life as Prime has reported just now.

ralph wrote: “…is just another example of elites wanting to curtail our freedoms.”

yes, sounds like you’ve become nicely indoctrinated into your new abode… as pointed out elsewhere in comments on this story, it was fortunate this wasn’t a busier street – though at 8.30am it is much much busier – but the point in that the street ‘potentially’ was much busier, or a person was wandering for a late evening stroll, or…

is why we have speed limits and motor traffic regulations – and why there is a test and why you can have a licence to drive revoked: because it is NOT a right. it is a ‘privilege’ – suggest you look that up.

if more people, ‘specially younguns like this goon, got that through their thick heads sooner, we’d see this sport of image less frequently. ideally – and potentially – never. but alas, reality…

How is a 19 year old able to afford such a car? That little Soob is built to go fast, and putting a young inexperienced driver behind the wheel of one is a recipe for disaster.

Sure, a clapped out old Datsun doesn’t have airbags and driver aids, but its performance doesn’t encourage risky driving either.

I’m in favour of restricted power-to-weight for learners, as I believe they already have for motorcycles. Hope the kid is OK anyway.

Note ridiculous Doof Doof Sub clearly visible in the boot, clearly a contributing factor in the accident.

With regards to the restrictions on cars, you could take a look at the NSW RTA and the Victorian equivalent and still find yourself in hot water. Each jurisdiction takes a different, and contrary, view on the matter. One bans turbo and other forced injection, while the other uses some formula of power to weight. What is permitted for P plate in one state is not in another.

Another classic example of what a great (6) country place Australia is.

Meantime, we should all drive carefully, lest we end up as shown above.

Agree will previous comments – you can be just as big a knob in mums diesel Gemini as any of the current batch of 200kw turbo’d c-channel chassis’d lightweight deathmachines. The car is not important – it’s the wingnut behind the wheel.

I really wish we had the same driving test as some Euro countries such as Germany. They have *several* driving tests based on *learning* info from a few 2-3 inch manuals covering everything scenario from towing with a trailer to driving in rain/snow/ice. Explains things like inertia and power and mass and other good stuff.

That combined with a mandatory trip to the morgue for all L platers might help new drivers realise what can happen if they drive beyond their skills too often.

Ralph, an excellent example of Darwinial Evolution. I recently watched Ice Age with my youngsters and teenagers in stolen/high perforance vehicle remind me a lot of the Dodos in the movie.

Restrictions on what tpes of care people can drive, while they won’t prevent road deaths, is just another example of elites wanting to curtail our freedoms.

Unfortunate as the accident is, just another example of Darwinian evolution.

Ralph
Now in Fairfax, VA

Only if you were wearing P-plates Hasdrubahl.

Well in any case, you don’t need a high performance car to cosy up to a tree like that.

I can do it just as well in my old Fiat 500 if I wanted to.

But would I get the same publicity?

Exactly right.

And thanks, I thought you were about to state the ridiculous ‘ban all high performance cars’ argument, spiraling the thread out of control headlong into a massive flamewar 😀

I suppose if we know and understand the risks, it’s up to the individual.

Well, there’s no specific *need* as such, 123qwe, but they’re sure as hell a lot of fun to drive.

The local ABC TV news led with this tonight. He’s 19, apparently, a p plater, it was a WRX, he had no passengers and no other car was involved and he’s in hospital in a critical condition. No one else was hurt… which would not have been the case had he lost control on a busier street.

Luckily there was no person seated in the passenger side of the car.

Putting aside the banter about the driving skills, imagine the emotional distress of the family.

Is there a need for any person to be allowed to drive a vehicle that has the ability/power/performance to do what is shown in this image?

There were a lot of Easter bunnies out on the roads last night, no doubt this person swerved to avoid one.

The bunnies are a pest, and I urge the ACT Govt to consider a culling program to avoid eventualities like the one shown above.

ICU in TCH yet to regain consciousness.

RuffnReady said :

I’m trying to place where on Majura Avenue that is from the photo but I can’t. Anyone help?

Yep… 5 trees or two-three houses from corner with Wakefield… across from oval and diagonally opposite fire station… or just 7 trees down from last idiot that lost it on the sweeping bend that comes down from Cowper street… this bloke must have been going… long skidmarks… hits median strip… must have gone airborne… says hello to tree… tree wins….. in the words of the simpsons… HA HA.

I’m trying to place where on Majura Avenue that is from the photo but I can’t. Anyone help?

“taken to hospital in a serious condition”
Ya think???
This IS a 60kph street isn’t it?

A bit less, actually…

The font looks different, too.

ABC now have the story here. Not much more to read though.

along with the fully sick subwoofer in the boot.

All in all, hoon driver or not, hope the bloke is ok.

Serious waste of a good car.

Vic: There’s no restrictions in the ACT as to what P-platers can drive, unlike other states.

P platers aren’t supposed to do lots of things, but the vast majority I see are being stereotypical P-platers. ie driving like arseclowns.

I’m pretty certain it’s a WRX – bonnet scoop, high rear spoiler, WRX wheels, and red Brembo brake calipers.

Good… one less dickhead on the roads for a while.

Is that a WRX of an RX? I can sort of see a bonnet scoop maybe… if it was a P-plater, are they allowed to be driving WRX’s?

Happened at 2AM this morning – apparently it was a P-plater. The damage looks nuts…He’s in a serious condition with head, chest and leg injuries.

There was a high speed pursuit in November last year at that very same spot, a 17 year old in a stolen car. Got crunched at that big bend in the road.

There was a chopper over north Canberra early this morning – coincidence, or was the driver airlifted to a brain injury unit in Sydney perhaps?

I hope the tree is OK. Oaks are tough as guts, but that car must’ve hit it at considerable speed.

Damn. Insurance premiums for Subaru owners go up again.