Crash prompts sanity plea?

Doctor Evil 19 November 2007 24

Page 2 of the CT this morning reports another car vs motorcycle duel with the latter coming off second best.

Nothing unusual about that, right?

On closer inspection the bike is a late model KTM motocrosser, probably an SX 125 or similar.

Unregistered, no headlight, no indicators, no brake light, running on knobby tyres. What on earth is this thing doing on Hindmarsh Drive?

The president of the Motorcycle Riders Association of the ACT, Peter Major says “But there is still a problem of recognition for motorcyclists on the roads, and people have to be aware when they get in their car to be more careful and pay more attention to motorcycle riders.”
The racing number plate on the front (where the headlight and rego should be) displays a simple sticker – “No Fear”.

Says it all really……..


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Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 3:32 pm 22 Nov 07

Well, glad to hear that he is still alive w3st0nFTW. Hopefully he will make a full recovery and I will meet up with him and his bike on a remote dirt track somewhere. Just not in the middle of Woden.

And there is no difference between the truck and bike in your scenario – neither should be on the road. Don’t see why you think one justifies the other though.

w3st0nFTW w3st0nFTW 3:07 pm 22 Nov 07

Doctor Evil he is a friend of a friend on mine who has been riding with him b4 (on a private farm) and has told me about the bike when he first got it…
Yes thats correct what the diff between a unreg bike and a truck that is unroad worthy carrying a 2ton load and unsucure.?

He is still alive btw H he has been in and out of his coma.

bd84 nice points i think we should add them all up and send it off the the RTA to add to their rules and reg

H H 6:36 am 22 Nov 07

I heard the bike rider died.

Thumper Thumper 12:32 pm 21 Nov 07

“Also it may be safer to ‘gun’ the bike for a couple of 100 metres of so to get away from bad car drivers”

Yep, the further away from the BMWs, Commodores and Falcons you can, the better…

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 12:28 pm 21 Nov 07

I’ve been riding bikes for many years – have three sitting in the shed right now. Only one is road registered, and it rarely ever sees the bitumen.

I find that riding on our roads is a high risk activity, and car drivers aren’t entirely to blame. Even with lights on bikes can be hard to see in traffic, and the actions of a minority of riders seem to make many car drivers aggressive towards the rest.

I have no objection to riders moving between lanes of stationary traffic. It’s people like the idiot I saw this morning on his Harley with ape hangers blasting down the white line between lanes of moving traffic that I would like to see having his licence shredded.

The Axe Man The Axe Man 10:55 am 21 Nov 07

Thought I would add my $0.02 worth

There is no specific law against Lane Filtering/Splitting. If a police person wanted to cause you trouble they could book you with unsafe overtaking, though that would be hard to prove in stationary traffic

As a motorcycle and scooter rider as well as car driver I was taught when learning to ride that the onous is on the rider to be extra safe when compared to cars. Car drivers don’t have the same awareness around them as riders do and it’s harder to see a bike.
Sometimes it is safer to filter/split traffic. I don’t like being stuck at the back of the queue especially at night when you’re harder to see.
Also it may be safer to ‘gun’ the bike for a couple of 100 metres of so to get away from bad car drivers.

V twin venom V twin venom 10:43 am 21 Nov 07

“There are d-ckheads in charge of all sorts of motor vehicles, but they are a minority – the real dangers are discourtesy, impatience and lack of awareness of what’s going on around you. And really, this comes back to the motorcyclists: since we understand cars but car drivers don’t understand our vehicles, the responsibility is on us to assume that every other driver is blind, drunk and mad as hell. And whether or not lane filtering is legal, it’s not intended as an insult to other road users.”

Well put!

trilobite trilobite 9:42 am 21 Nov 07

Just on the comments by Jemmy:

“Lane filtering” – moving up on a motorcycle/scooter between lanes of stationary traffic is certainly legal in some parts of Australia. I am not sure if it’s legal in Canberra (tried ringing Canberra Connect yesterday, gave up).

IMHO, the cause of contention between motorcyclists and car drivers is this: all motorcyclists can drive a car, but very few car drivers can ride a motorcycle.

In other words, a motorcyclist has a fair idea of the strengths and limitations of four-wheel vehicles, but most car drivers don’t have a motorcycle in their garage, so they don’t really understand the strengths and limitations of two-wheelers. That’s why we often feel aggrieved, poor misunderstood us! 🙂 There are d-ckheads in charge of all sorts of motor vehicles, but they are a minority – the real dangers are discourtesy, impatience and lack of awareness of what’s going on around you. And really, this comes back to the motorcyclists: since we understand cars but car drivers don’t understand our vehicles, the responsibility is on us to assume that every other driver is blind, drunk and mad as hell. And whether or not lane filtering is legal, it’s not intended as an insult to other road users.

Now. Time for a truck driver to tell the rest of us how we all carve them up on the roads!

V twin venom V twin venom 9:31 am 21 Nov 07

I’m with you jemmy. F-ck em all. If you see my lusty beast at full noise in traffic or splitting a lane at the lights it’s only to escape the pinheads in cars.

Lets not forget that a young man was badly injured here. Probably his own fault but I hope he recovers ok

jemmy jemmy 11:50 pm 20 Nov 07

bd84, Lane splitting through stationary vehicles at the lights was (is?) legal when I left Vic, no wheaties box licence involved. And I was only talking about stationary vehicles at lights, as were you originally, not about zipping through moving vehicles which I agree is dumb. Maybe I didn’t make it clear, but I’m only talking about mildly accelerating to get away from the pack, not trying to do the 1/4 mile in 10 secs.

I get antsy about this topic when people seem to want to threaten motorcyclists. I and probably all other motorcyclists are constantly the victims of drivers who seem to think they’re allowed to force by intimidation their idea of how a motorcyclist should use the road Yet if a truckie does it to a car, hear the howls on talk-back radio! Motorcycles are not small cars and use the road differently to cars. Sometimes this annoys car drivers, and I can’t figure out why. I personally have been squeezed into the parked cars because the moron car driver seemed to think I should be over near the kerb like a bicycle, and decided to force me over with the car. We’re not talking about dumb driving, we’re talking malicious threatening. Every single motorcyclist has similar dickhead car stories.

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 9:48 pm 20 Nov 07

@w3st0nFTW

I didn’t at any stage say that I knew everything about it.

What I did say is that it is clear from the picture that it is an unregistered MX bike.

Get someone who knows anything about dirt bikes to look at the picture either online or print, and come back and tell me it isn’t.

And as for you comment “some unroadworthy vehicles ive seen on hindmarsh should not of made it out of the front driveway let alone going 80.”
WTF does that mean? Are you saying that the Hindmarsh Drive precinct has an extraordinairly high population of residents with sh1tbox cars?

@bd84
You forgot to mention that there is a loophole in the laws regarding using a mobile phone while driving that exempts tradesmen as long as they are in Fyshwick and wearing a fluoro shirt.

bd84 bd84 8:38 pm 20 Nov 07

jemmy: your comments show exactly why you’re a temporary Australian (as someone said above) when you ride a motorcycle.

You obviously got your licence from the wheaties box if you seriously believe it’s legal to ride between two lanes of traffic. I’m not sure how you think it is safer either when the driver is less likely to know you were there seeing you weren’t there to begin with (the driver may have not been paying attention anyway).

As for gunning it, it usually relates to illegaly travelling between traffic.. I have no problems waiting back in the queue at the lights, I’m likely to get through the lights either way, so perhaps you better save the tests for the motorcyclist who believes they’re better than everyone else speeding away at 120+kph 🙂

And sure you might think it’s better for the riders to be away from cars, the fast you go means a driver is less likely to see you if you’re on a motorcycle and speeding past(and yes there are plenty of car drivers who do the same) You’re just more likely to become road kill when a driver does a head check (if anyone in canberra actually knows what one is??) and doesn’t see you you when they go to change lanes.

and LOL w3st0nFTW.. you forgot a few

* Head checks when changing lanes are not necessary, as there is never anything in the lane beside you.

* no matter how dark it is or how hard it is raining there is absolutely no reason to turn your headlights on, especially if you are driving a grey or gold car, as I can kinda see everyone else they might be able to see too.

* My car has one headlight, it’s perfectly fine to drive it as I will never get stopped.

* The fog/driving/second headlights lights on my car make me look really cool. It’s ok if I blind all other drivers with them by driving with them on all the time. I get extra points if I am driving a Ford Falcon, Commodore, or a wannabe 4WD.

* Give way does not apply to me, it is perfectly fine and legal to pull out from any T-junction in front of the on coming traffic as the car coming will always stop for me. I am then permitted to roll along going 15kph under the speed limit holding up the 4 cars who had to slow for my entry.

* No matter how far the car above the speed limit is going (in Canberra style), it’s still not fast enough and I will sit 1 metre behind you until I can overtake without colliding with the oncoming traffic (the closer the miss the better)

w3st0nFTW w3st0nFTW 5:56 pm 20 Nov 07

Doctor Evi that great to know. what about the indicators, brake light. I am getting the point im just saying dont think u know everything that happend just cos u looked at a pic of a smashed up bike.

VY did i say bcos he has a hard life that he should of been givin a pass from god?

Good point trilobite so true.

Stole this from a forum.

BASIC RULES FOR DRIVING IN CANBERRA

1. Indicators will give away your next move. A real Canberra driver never
uses them.

2. Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you
and the car in front of you, or somebody else will fill in that space,
putting you in an even more dangerous situation.

3. Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane change is considered
“going with the flow.”

4. The faster you drive through a red light, the less chance you have of
getting hit.

5. Never get in the way of an older car that needs extensive repairs.
The other guy doesn’t have anything to lose.

6. Braking is to be done as hard and as late as possible to ensure that
your ABS kicks in, giving a nice, relaxing foot massage as the brake
pedal pulsates. For those of you without ABS, it’s a chance to stretch
your legs.

7. Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as suggestions and
apparently not enforceable in the metro area during rush hour.

8. Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during
rush-hour traffic in Canberra.

9. Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even
someone changing a tyre.

10. Everybody thinks their vehicle is better than yours, especially 4WD
drivers.

11. Learn to swerve abruptly. Canberrais the home of High-Speed Slalom
Driving thanks to the Urban services, which puts potholes in key
locations to test drivers’ reflexes and keep them on their toes, not
forgetting the ‘Test your skill’ chicanes in suburbs.

12. It is traditional in Canberrato honk your horn at cars that don’t
move the instant the light changes.

13. Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way.

14. Never take a green light at face value. Always look right and left
before proceeding.

15. Remember that the goal of every Canberradriver is to get there
first, by whatever means necessary.

16. Real Canberrawomen drivers can put on pantyhose and apply eye makeup
at 75 kph in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

17. Real Canberramen drivers can remove pantyhose and a bra at 95 kph in
bumper-to-bumper traffic.

18. Heavy fog and rain are no reasons to change any of the previously
listed rules. These weather conditions are God’s way ensuring a natural
selection process for panel beaters, junkyards, and new vehicle sales.
It is an acceptable practice to increase your speed in comparison to the
rate of rain fall, i.e.: the harder it rains, the faster you go.

19. There is a commonly held belief in Canberrathat high-speed
tailgating in heavy traffic reduces petrol consumption as you get sucked
along in the slipstream of the car in front.

20. It’s OK to cut off fully loaded semi-trailers, road trains and buses
because, hell – they have brakes.

21. It is an essential duty of the driver to preserve the life of his
passengers. Hence no matter how much of an inconvenience it may be,
always find a detour around The Causeway, Lower Kambah, Lower Wanniassa,
Scullin, Areas of Ainslie, and Oaks Estate.

22. Always anticipate oncoming traffic while driving down a one-way
street.

23. It’s O.K when driving in Belconnen’s suburbs to air your grievances
at bad drivers by giving the “one finger salute” while screaming out
“#%*#”. However, it is imperative you are driving at least a 5-litre V8
with a crow bar in your lap.

24. Canberra drivers are experts at merging, when in two or more lanes
travelling in the same direction, ensure that if you see someone
politely indicating, waiting slowly trying to merge into your lane, show
them that they must ‘Wait their turn’ to use your lane. Speed up, try to
cut them off, should they succeed and get into your lane never mind that
it was actually legal for them to do that, ensure that your flash your
lights, honk your horn, use extreme hand gestures, even tailgate them,
just to let them know, IT WAS YOUR LANE.

25. Ensure that when merging into traffic travelling at any more than
40kph that you stop in the merging lane, backing up traffic for miles
behind you, ensuring that you have given yourself or no-one else that
opportunity to merge. Again, forget that the traffic handbook states
that you should speed up to meet traffic speed then merge. If you are
travelling in a lane near a merge lane, don’t changes lanes to make it
easy for them, instead see rule 24, after all they deserve it.

26. While using Canberraroundabouts, particularly two lane roundabouts,
ENSURE that you are in the left lane to turn right, or the right to turn
left, hell lets keep those people in those other lanes on their toes.

27. If you are an Action bus driver, you must win at all costs, getting
to your destination prior to any other driver is life and death. Never
worry about your passengers bouncing round in the back like tennis
balls, hell it’s a cheap form of theme park, in fact Canberra’s very
own.

28. Canberra Cabs, see rule 27, except you are now qualifying for the
GMC 400.

29. Pedestrian crossings – What are they?

30. If you are a cyclist, remember YOU ARE INVINCIBLE, you are stronger
than ANY vehicle travelling at speed, MAKE SURE you take the whole lane
for yourself, and at night NEVER use lights, remember They Will See You

trilobite trilobite 12:51 pm 20 Nov 07

Well, I ride a motorcycle almost every day and I also drive.

Things I see (where X is any car or motorcycle):
X waaaaaaaaaaay too close to the vehicle in front.
X lane weaving and lane splitting, with or without indication.
X running amber lights or reds. A red is a red is a red.
X not giving a tinker’s cuss about anyone else around them, or where other people might be trying to go.
X not noticing the speed limit near schools (and I have to admit to having done this).

Car specific:
Mobile phone, drinking coffee, using a laptop or fiddling with an iPod.
Being in charge of an SUV at any time.

Motorcycle specific:
Accelerating too fast in urban/suburban zones.
Fat pipes are clearly compensating for an inadequacy elsewhere.
Not wearing safety gear.

Scooter specific:
Not wearing safety gear! Coming off a scooter at 60km/h is like slamming your body into an angle grinder. No skirts and singlets, you dopes!

Bicycle specific:
“Now I’m a car, and now I’m a pedestrian, and now I’m God.”

And every single one of us is far too impatient.

Right. Time for a beer, a Bex and a good lie down.

VYBerlinaV8 VYBerlinaV8 12:26 pm 20 Nov 07

Peter Major (whom I have met on several occasions) is a sensible guy who rides responsibly. It is unfortunate that many other local riders can’t do the same. I have no issues with riders moving up through stationary lines of traffic – it doesn’t slow me down, and they get to ride more safely away from the general traffic groups. What I do dislike is driving along a major road (eg Monaro Hwy), where both lanes are flowing along at or slightly below the speed limit, and you see motorcyclists weaving in and around cars, ignoring lanes and turn signals, at perhaps 30km/h over the speed limit. It get’s kinda hard to see what a motorcyclist is doing when they appear from behind a car, traveling substantially faster than you, when you’re half way through a lane change.

Of course, some people will say that ‘this is a small minority’, but I disagree – I see lots of riders doing this. Frankly I’m suprised there aren’t more accidents.

In response to w3st0nFTW’s comment above about how the kid ‘had a hard life’, that’s well and good but it doesn’t change the laws of physics. If you are traveling on a small bike (especially one which is unregistered and unsuitable to be ridden on public roads) and get in the way of a car, you are going to have a bad day.

Doctor Evil Doctor Evil 7:37 am 20 Nov 07

No, I figured it out by clicking on the picture and zooming in using the magic of the internet.

It looked orange in the picture, hence the KTM guess. If it’s actually red, then yes it’s a Honda CR or CRF.

I think you’re missing the point – it’s still an unregistered dirt bike.

And just for the record, riding a motorcycle between two lanes of traffic is illegal in the ACT.

w3st0nFTW w3st0nFTW 1:54 am 20 Nov 07

Dr evil you say that

“On closer inspection the bike is a late model KTM motocrosser, probably an SX 125 or similar.

Unregistered, no headlight, no indicators, no brake light, running on knobby tyres . What on earth is this thing doing on Hindmarsh Drive?”

Did you figure this out zooming into the pic on MS PAINT? i think the pixles lied.

some unroadworthy vehicles ive seen on hindmarsh should not of made it out of the front driveway let alone going 80.

w3st0nFTW w3st0nFTW 1:45 am 20 Nov 07

The report does not tell the full story does it not!? There were no witnesses it looks like only the driver and the rider know wat happend..

I know the rider of the bike(honda) he has been riding motos since he was little.
This kid has had a hard life he has no family ive heard and @ one stage he was living in his car, he was back on his feet untill this, now he wont ever walk or be the same person again. poor guy

But obviously he should not of been riding on the road or riding around there at all but thats the risk people take.

imo when most drivers see a moterbike comming they turn into tards and panic, this is how these crashes happen.

jemmy jemmy 12:41 am 20 Nov 07

bd84 think they have the right to slip down the middle of two lanes of traffic at traffic lights

What’s dangerous about doing that? I was taught to do it as being safer than staying back and mixing it with the cars. It’s perfectly legal where I come from.

so they can gun it and beat everyone else

Ah, the real issue. How dare anyone get in front of you, eh, even though it costs you nothing at all. Psychological tests needed for prospective drivers, I think.

You know why it was banned here right? Nothing to do with safety, everything to do with placating people like bd84. (It’s actually safer for a motorcyclist to be in front of traffic and away from cars.)

Spectra Spectra 12:00 am 20 Nov 07

Rego doesn’t generally go on the front of a bike, but anyway…
People like this don’t do the rest of us any favours – they make car drivers characterise us all as insane idiots with a death-wish (and therefore whenever anything bad happens, the default assumption is that it must be the rider’s fault). Of course, when someone in a car behaves in a similar manner, somehow the same argument doesn’t apply to all car drivers – go figure.
I agree with you jase! – my small dark Lancer gets very few people changing lanes into it – my bright silver bike, on the other hand, seems to be a magnet for them.

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