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Forming One Lane as traffic in the ACT

By theinstructor 3 May 2013 89

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Hi all,

Have been reading posts on here for about a year now, but after what I saw today compelled me to make a quick topic on here I think needs addressing.

Long story short….kinda

This afternoon approx about 6:20pm I was amongst traffic ahead and behind. In front was a white 4×4 which was tailgating a car in front of him/her after awhile I noticed it was a Learner driver he/she was tailgating (sad but true, as a driving instructor i kinda see this a lot), the learner wasn’t any slower than the other cars same pace as the rest of us.

Anyhow further up the learner takes position at the front of the lights in the right lane and another car was in the left lane and ahead was a simple form one lane. Light goes green, the car in the left lane moved of at casual speed and the learner followed same pace in the right lane just keeping a little behind that car (good to see the learner doing well). However… along comes the 4×4 just casually along side the learner probably at the learners tail end, then it all happens, right at the start of the lettering of “form one lane” the white 4×4 suddenly speeds up and tried to squish the learner off the road (basically side by side with the leaner at the word “Lane” and a little past), no indicator by the 4×4 either. Now most of the time this happens the learner will end up hitting the gutter out of panic and trying to avoid an accident, but not this one haha, they stood their ground used their horn and continued doing the right thing in forming one lane the white 4×4 still tried but ended up hitting the gutter themselves (even tho is was dangerous it was kinda really funny to see). Note if the leaner had stopped and braked hard for this moron the rest of the traffic would have then all had to slow to approx 30km or less from the current 75km ish, that’s when all the rear enders can start to happen.

Will note after the Form One Lane the White 4×4 kept flashing his high beam on and off at the learner driver.

Anyhow just a message to that person driving the white 4×4 that went into Amaroo which looked like a male driver late 30’s. I got all your vehicle details and rego number (wish i could post it here) and have already submitted them to the police, not much might happen unless you have been reported before (probably have).

Anyhow Mr. 4×4 you are a complete stooge of a driver it’s people like you that make my job harder at times. As a driving instructor I always promote safe driving so I don’t wish for you to die in a car accident or anything like that but I hope you come hope one day and find your wife (if your married) cheating on you… With the learner 🙂

Please people, don’t try and push learners off the road, they don’t always have the confidence an experienced driver has. I have had students before get beeped at before just because they stalled the car at traffic lights that just went green, which at times has caused students to break down in tears, they understand that they have stalled and usually will panic already, don’t need to rub salt in the wound as it is. Maybe if you have the choice choose the opposite lane to them like you do when you see a large truck in the left lane. I have had students and myself get beeped and abused because we are doing 40km in a 40km zone (roadworks and school zones). I have had students get abused before because they stopped at a stop sign. I once had a person over take my learner using the footpath because we were about 5km’s below the limit. Will note I like myself shortly and some of my fellow instructors are trialing and setting up in-car cameras that record the traffic around, So warning if caught doing very wrong towards a learner or the law you may end up in some hot water 🙂

From

TheInstructor

P.S. No Cyclists were harmed in the making of this topic


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Jono 8:46 am 11 May 13

Madam Cholet said :

bob89 said :

Madam Cholet said :

rosscoact said :

bob89 said :

Section 45 (2)c and 3(c)

You indicate at Form One Lane.

Case law supports this too if you still want to dispute.

Nice work there, that puts that little furphy to rest. Facts trump assumption and confected outrage every time

But those points talk about ‘diverging’, which means ‘To go or extend in different directions; to branch out; to deviate’. As you are only following the line of the road you are doing none of the above.

Unfortunately if you read the intention documents and case law that went with the decisions on wording, you’re incorrect. Besides, you’re not “following the line” as the line ceases to exist.

Mind you, cyclists, horse riders, motorcyclists and even small cars on some roads are technically required and can be held responsible (to some extent) for accidents caused during moving from one side to the other within a lane. All bar the car can be two abreast…

Evidence?

I think that the lack of a response has answered the question.

The claim that the word “diverge” means something different when it’s used in the road rules, than what it means in every English language dictionary in the world was always an unlikely one. The claim of case law to support it, even more so.

KB1971 3:07 pm 06 May 13

FarrerGirl said :

zorro29 said :

hahaha, stooge merging…love the diagram buddy! very very true. i get nervous whenever there is a lane merge just cos people don’t seem to understand how they work…also they don’t understand the difference between Give Way, Stop and merging slip lanes and how to act in each of these situations. fun times

Yes, I have the pleasure of using the (Farrer) Dookie St slip lane to merge with Yamba Dr on a daily basis. There are the Farrer residents who stop at the end and freak out, or those that swing out into traffic at the start of the lane. This slip lane is actually very well designed (as opposed to other slip lanes in Canberra) – it is long enough to easily get up to speed and merge into the Yamba Dr traffic.

Having said this, yesterday I had two drivers try to block me from merging between them – noting there was no traffic in the right hand lane. I know they have right of way etc etc, however there is common sense – when the slip lane ends, there is nowhere else for the merging car to go (expect for flying over the gutter at the end at 80km/hour).

Thats because you have to give way, it is a marked lane.

DrKoresh 2:18 pm 06 May 13

milkman said :

Similarly, those who refuse to use the left lane are rude knobs with small lives who take pathetic pleasure in holding up the traffic.

You can say what you like when you’re stuck tailgating me at the legal speed limit in the right lane, milko, but it’s only holding up traffic if that traffic wants to speed 😀

magiccar9 2:03 pm 06 May 13

FarrerGirl said :

Yes, I do believe I would let them back in – I try not to be a hypocrite! The thing that irritated me with my recent situation is that both cars continued down Yamba Dr to the hospital – i.e they did not need to be in the left lane in order to turn left at the next exit – I can understand why someone would not get in the right lane if this was the case. The main problem in this scenario is that neither car took any action – they could have moved into the right lane, slowed down a tiny fraction, or speed up a tiny fraction, to allow the merge to occur seamlessly.

I’m glad. I only asked because it happened recently to me. I was merging – was more than happy to find my own place – but a guy moved to the right-hand lane. Perfect, thanks dude. So we’re driving along in peak hour and he wants to get back into the left lane. Naturally traffic is bumper to bumper so there isn’t any way to safely let him in. Next thing he goes mental tooting and flashing his lights at me.
I thought that if he needed to turn off he didn’t have to move over…. tool

Alderney 2:00 pm 06 May 13

iLazy said :

Not the same person… It appears we are just in agreement that we are powerfully sick of some of the tripe you post on this site generally and your constant attempts to look well informed and knowledgeable on all aspects of life. Yet I’m able to say that without resorting to foul languaged name calling like you.

Ahh, I bet you’re thinking great minds think alike; I prefer to term it, fools never differ.

You critique me and then when I defend myself I’m the bad guy? You have a flawed logic.

There’s a good quote about this type of logic by Salman Rusdie and reasoning with islamic radicals. If you’ve got the brain capacity you should look it up sometime. He might have said it on Parkinson if I remember correctly.

I’ve never stated I am well informed and knowledgable on all aspects of life, just the bits in which I am.

You seem to have a deep seated issue with those to whom you are intellectually inferior.

As for posting tripe. If, as evidenced by your contribution to this thread, tripe is the criteria, it’s a little of the pot calling the kettle black.

Alderney 1:51 pm 06 May 13

MrLinus said :

Nobody really asked.

But hopefully it served to boost your own opion of yourself. It’s a pity you haven’t grown in to a person who could think about something logically instead of running to the rule book and then quoting them to people.

I don’t feel any need for me to boost my own opinion of myself. Just correcting your misguided assumption on my school days as you obviously think that the treatment of you by others happend to everyone.

And I didn’t ‘run to the rulebook’ as i already knew the law. I didn’t know the exact regulation, but i already knew the law. You see, when one partakes in an activity it’s good practice to be abreast of one’s legal requirements.

FarrerGirl 1:24 pm 06 May 13

magiccar9 said :

FarrerGirl said :

… I know they have right of way etc etc, however there is common sense – when the slip lane ends, there is nowhere else for the merging car to go (expect for flying over the gutter at the end at 80km/hour).

Question… had they moved to the right hand lane to let you merge freely, would you have let them push back in should they have needed to turn left further down the road?
This happens all the time on Adelaide Av in the morning. People always jump to the right hand lane when they see someone trying to merge, however they then have to push and shove back into the left lane because they forgot they needed to turn off at the next exit.

Yes, I do believe I would let them back in – I try not to be a hypocrite! The thing that irritated me with my recent situation is that both cars continued down Yamba Dr to the hospital – i.e they did not need to be in the left lane in order to turn left at the next exit – I can understand why someone would not get in the right lane if this was the case. The main problem in this scenario is that neither car took any action – they could have moved into the right lane, slowed down a tiny fraction, or speed up a tiny fraction, to allow the merge to occur seamlessly.

magiccar9 12:51 pm 06 May 13

FarrerGirl said :

… I know they have right of way etc etc, however there is common sense – when the slip lane ends, there is nowhere else for the merging car to go (expect for flying over the gutter at the end at 80km/hour).

Question… had they moved to the right hand lane to let you merge freely, would you have let them push back in should they have needed to turn left further down the road?
This happens all the time on Adelaide Av in the morning. People always jump to the right hand lane when they see someone trying to merge, however they then have to push and shove back into the left lane because they forgot they needed to turn off at the next exit.

FarrerGirl 11:18 am 06 May 13

zorro29 said :

hahaha, stooge merging…love the diagram buddy! very very true. i get nervous whenever there is a lane merge just cos people don’t seem to understand how they work…also they don’t understand the difference between Give Way, Stop and merging slip lanes and how to act in each of these situations. fun times

Yes, I have the pleasure of using the (Farrer) Dookie St slip lane to merge with Yamba Dr on a daily basis. There are the Farrer residents who stop at the end and freak out, or those that swing out into traffic at the start of the lane. This slip lane is actually very well designed (as opposed to other slip lanes in Canberra) – it is long enough to easily get up to speed and merge into the Yamba Dr traffic.

Having said this, yesterday I had two drivers try to block me from merging between them – noting there was no traffic in the right hand lane. I know they have right of way etc etc, however there is common sense – when the slip lane ends, there is nowhere else for the merging car to go (expect for flying over the gutter at the end at 80km/hour).

zorro29 9:53 am 06 May 13

hahaha, stooge merging…love the diagram buddy! very very true. i get nervous whenever there is a lane merge just cos people don’t seem to understand how they work…also they don’t understand the difference between Give Way, Stop and merging slip lanes and how to act in each of these situations. fun times

iLazy 7:55 am 06 May 13

Alderney said :

MrLinus said :

Firstly, the ACT Road Rules Handbook isn’t the law.

Secondly, why don’t you read every worrd. He’s a hint, it says, should be prepared to.

I already knew of this publication.

I promise to accept your apology gracefully.

He’s a hint, maybe every worrd you post is rubbish that has the intellect of a small furry bit of roadkill that got collected when someone didn’t merge properly. I’d love to see you pulled over by the cops and given a ticket….”Oh but officer, the ACT Road Rules Handbook clearly states that…..” You are like that kid at school nobody likes who always insisted on doing everything to the letter of the law and without an ounce of common sense. I’m sorry you are an idiot and thank you for accepting my apology.

Are you and iLazy the same person? Why do you feel the need to defend them? My suspicions are raised.

None of what I’ve written in this thread, that you so inelequantly critique, is rubbish. If you had half a brain you may even be able to look it up yourself.

Not the same person… It appears we are just in agreement that we are powerfully sick of some of the tripe you post on this site generally and your constant attempts to look well informed and knowledgeable on all aspects of life. Yet I’m able to say that without resorting to foul languaged name calling like you.

MrLinus 8:29 pm 05 May 13

Alderney said :

MrLinus said :

Firstly, the ACT Road Rules Handbook isn’t the law.

Secondly, why don’t you read every worrd. He’s a hint, it says, should be prepared to.

I already knew of this publication.

I promise to accept your apology gracefully.

He’s a hint, maybe every worrd you post is rubbish that has the intellect of a small furry bit of roadkill that got collected when someone didn’t merge properly. I’d love to see you pulled over by the cops and given a ticket….”Oh but officer, the ACT Road Rules Handbook clearly states that…..” You are like that kid at school nobody likes who always insisted on doing everything to the letter of the law and without an ounce of common sense. I’m sorry you are an idiot and thank you for accepting my apology.

Are you and iLazy the same person? Why do you feel the need to defend them? My suspicions are raised.

I’ll tell you a little about my school days. I was one of the football players who was good enough to get out of having to do Saturday detention because I was required on the field. The trade off was I got the cane instead but that wasn’t too bad as I was going out every winter weekend and belting myself up on the field anyway. Physical punishment has never been a concern to me.

None of what I’ve written in this thread, that you so inelequantly critique, is rubbish. If you had half a brain you may even be able to look it up yourself. I may just be a dumb ex footy player, but at least I’m one with post grad qualifications.

I’ll never be pulled up by the coppers for not indicating in this circumstance because I’m driving within the law. I do strive to drive within the law because I have integrity. I try to live my life beyond reproach theses days but I’ve been a very bad boy in the past. There is not much that shocks me and I’ve seen more than most. My work is governed by regulation so I know the importance of it to ensure things go smoothly. What I do not take kindly to is ignorance masquerading as intellect.

And before you attempt to try to analyse my school days dont foist your own negative treatment at school on others. That chip as weighed you down a bit over life hasn’t it.

Nobody really asked.

But hopefully it served to boost your own opion of yourself. It’s a pity you haven’t grown in to a person who could think about something logically instead of running to the rule book and then quoting them to people.

KB1971 1:12 pm 05 May 13

TheBusDriver said :

Ahh, the other half came to the rescue and explained how to make this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PGhy6x2yoY
Ignore the date and speed details, I have not worked them out yet. The white Bommodore pulled up beside me and seemed conent to sit there through the merge. Then he almost lost it into oncoming traffic as he gives me the finger.

This happened to me the other day on Adelaide ave. There was a guy in a Silver Honda Accord, as we approached the end of the bus lane heading to Phillip, I was in the right hand lane doing the limit about 2 car lengths behind the car in front, we were passing the cars in the left hand lane.

Old mate in the Honda was sitting in the T2 lane behind me pretty well all the way from Deakin & when we approached the merge he decided he needed to be in front of me (I was the last car in the line).

Instead of passing me completely he only went 3/4 of the way & then started to move over on me causing me to have to brake to avoid hitting the left hand corner. Arsehat.

Anyway, before we got to Caruthers St the left was clear so I moved over there & I ended up passing him again at the roundabout as he stayed in the right hand lane.

If he had just stayed behind me he would not have lost anything but instead he had to be a dick & almost cause an accident.

TheBusDriver 11:40 am 05 May 13

Ahh, the other half came to the rescue and explained how to make this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PGhy6x2yoY
Ignore the date and speed details, I have not worked them out yet. The white Bommodore pulled up beside me and seemed conent to sit there through the merge. Then he almost lost it into oncoming traffic as he gives me the finger.

bundah 11:32 am 05 May 13

chrisi said :

There’s law, and then there’s manners.

Just because here in the ACT you dont “have to” keep left unless its a road over 80km/h, and you dont “have to” indicate on a form one lane, and you dont “have to” let someone in when they are trying to merge into your lane from an on ramp, and you dont “have to” dip your highbeams for cars further than 200m in front of you travelling in same direction, it’s just GOOD MANNERS to do it.

It’s not hard to be a courteous, so I dont understand why people have so much trouble doing it. Acting like a tosser on the road to get 1 or 2 cars in front (or even 10-15 cars!) isnt going to save you hours in travel time. It’s a few seconds…. maybe a minute. Is that minute worth that much extra stress you cause yourself and others.

Just play nice kiddies. It’s not hard- try it.

Yep good points and all that is required is manners,a little common sense and consideration.The only problem however is that those qualities seem to be diminishing with time and for many agro has become the norm when peeps get frustrated with others apparent inadequacies and actions.Some of us therefore will be whinging about these scenarios,even though it will change very little,until the advent of mass produced automated vehicles.

TheBusDriver 10:22 am 05 May 13

As a bus driver in Canberra (not Action) I have to say there are some complete idiot drivers out there, and there are some good drivers out there. Some are pretty clueless, but some are very respectful.
Mind you the bad ones are really bad. I also see the merge as being like a zip, car on the left, car on the right and so on in pattern. Some dipshits just see it as a challenge to see who can overtake each other. I find it quite amusing when some one decided they want to be in front of a bus and try to overtake then realise they can’t. Plus what is it with using round abouts as overtaking lanes?
When Iam driving a big bus, I’m legally allowed to use both lanes on a dual lane round about, and occasionally I do, especially when there is some idiot up my rear end and I know there’s a short merge lane on the other side of the round about. The last thing I want is a stoush over the merge. When driving the mini buses, particuarly when they are empty, I also get idiots trying to overtake me with 50 metres of road to the merging lanes.
I now take my dash camera with me on runs and I have some footage of these idiots. Unfortunatly it is not compressed High Def 1920 by 1080 and is in Quicktime format (so Windows Movie Maker won’t import it for editing). Mr John Boy do you have a postal address I could send video files to on a DVD? It would be easier than trying to upload unedited videos to youtube. I don’t have the badwidth. Or can someone reccomend a video editor that handles mov format videos?

chrisi 10:06 am 05 May 13

There’s law, and then there’s manners.

Just because here in the ACT you dont “have to” keep left unless its a road over 80km/h, and you dont “have to” indicate on a form one lane, and you dont “have to” let someone in when they are trying to merge into your lane from an on ramp, and you dont “have to” dip your highbeams for cars further than 200m in front of you travelling in same direction, it’s just GOOD MANNERS to do it.

It’s not hard to be a courteous, so I dont understand why people have so much trouble doing it. Acting like a tosser on the road to get 1 or 2 cars in front (or even 10-15 cars!) isnt going to save you hours in travel time. It’s a few seconds…. maybe a minute. Is that minute worth that much extra stress you cause yourself and others.

Just play nice kiddies. It’s not hard- try it.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 9:15 am 05 May 13

milkman said :

DrKoresh said :

Felix the Cat said :

Sandman said :

Yes, there’s lots of 110 kph dual lane highways running through Amaroo so the keep left unless overtaking is more than relevant.

I believe the keep left rule/law applies to streets with a speed limit of 80km/h or more so there probably are some streets in Amaroo with this limit.

Yes, I don’t think it’s really relevant at all unless you regularly drive through Amaroo on the highway. Almost everywhere else in Canberra there is no legal requirement to keep left and the people who complain about not being able to speed past everyone in the right lane because everyone else refuses to keep left are stupid hypocrites.

Similarly, those who refuse to use the left lane are rude knobs with small lives who take pathetic pleasure in holding up the traffic.

How do you equate using right hand lane to holding up traffic, being a rude knob or have a small life(whatever that means)?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 8:18 am 05 May 13

DrKoresh said :

Felix the Cat said :

Sandman said :

Yes, there’s lots of 110 kph dual lane highways running through Amaroo so the keep left unless overtaking is more than relevant.

I believe the keep left rule/law applies to streets with a speed limit of 80km/h or more so there probably are some streets in Amaroo with this limit.

Yes, I don’t think it’s really relevant at all unless you regularly drive through Amaroo on the highway. Almost everywhere else in Canberra there is no legal requirement to keep left and the people who complain about not being able to speed past everyone in the right lane because everyone else refuses to keep left are stupid hypocrites.

Not to mention self entitled assholes

milkman 8:16 am 05 May 13

DrKoresh said :

Felix the Cat said :

Sandman said :

Yes, there’s lots of 110 kph dual lane highways running through Amaroo so the keep left unless overtaking is more than relevant.

I believe the keep left rule/law applies to streets with a speed limit of 80km/h or more so there probably are some streets in Amaroo with this limit.

Yes, I don’t think it’s really relevant at all unless you regularly drive through Amaroo on the highway. Almost everywhere else in Canberra there is no legal requirement to keep left and the people who complain about not being able to speed past everyone in the right lane because everyone else refuses to keep left are stupid hypocrites.

Similarly, those who refuse to use the left lane are rude knobs with small lives who take pathetic pleasure in holding up the traffic.

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