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Patient privacy zone at Civic clinic extended

Michael Reid 18 May 2016 63

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The privacy zone around a health clinic in Civic has been extended to provide further protection for women accessing legal medical treatments, including abortion.

ACT health minister Simon Corbell said the extension, effective from Thursday, will include any areas accessible by the public around the clinic at 1 Moore Street.

The protest-free zone was introduced in March to ensure women could access medical services without being harassed, intimidated or judged by others. Unfortunately, anti-abortion protests had continued on the fringes of the zone within the line of site of people accessing treatment, Corbell said.

The extended zone will include Rudd Street, West Row and the alley way of Odgers Lane, and surrounding roads, footpaths, gutters, outdoor areas and other areas underneath a building’s facade.

Protesting or behaviour that increases emotional distress or may prevent women from accessing legal and medically recognised health procedures is prohibited within the defined protest-free zone between 7am and 6pm on business days to align with the opening hours of the facility.

The extended protest-free zone had been developed in consultation with key stakeholders, including  the ACT Human Rights Commission and police, to strike a balance between protecting women’s rights to safe and legal health care and the rights of protesters, Corbell said.

“From tomorrow, if an individual is found protesting within the new area, ACT Health’s security personnel will notify them about the extension of the protest-free zone and ask them to leave,” he added.

“If the person chooses to remain, ACT Policing will be notified and penalties may apply.”

Information about the extended protest-free zone, including a new map, is available on the ACT Health website at: www.health.act.gov.au/consumerinformation/protestfreezone.

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The Health (Patient Privacy) Amendment Act 2015 is available at: www.legislation.act.gov.au.

 


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Mysteryman Mysteryman 3:02 pm 31 May 16

gooterz said :

Zan said :

Did you just tell us that it is his right to protest anywhere he feels like in public?

No I didn’t.
Google “strawman argument” if you want to understand your logical fallacy you just employed.

Zan said :

Hmm or could it be that a public foot path is much like a road? Make a nuisance of yourself and you will be moved on.

I’ve never seen the anti-abortion religionists obstructing the footpath – in fact they seemed to be being quite careful to not do so.

I wonder if you ever get sick of mis-representing reality to self-justify your beliefs?

From what JC posts, I don’t imagine so.

HenryBG HenryBG 9:37 am 31 May 16

Zan said :

Did you just tell us that it is his right to protest anywhere he feels like in public?

No I didn’t.
Google “strawman argument” if you want to understand your logical fallacy you just employed.

Zan said :

Hmm or could it be that a public foot path is much like a road? Make a nuisance of yourself and you will be moved on.

I’ve never seen the anti-abortion religionists obstructing the footpath – in fact they seemed to be being quite careful to not do so.

I wonder if you ever get sick of mis-representing reality to self-justify your beliefs?

Mordd Mordd 4:25 am 31 May 16

Maybe they can try this instead: http://fusion.net/story/307072/copley-geofencing-abortion-planned-parenthood/ – in the USA protesting outside abortion clinics has been banned in most places for a while now, so they’ve taken it to the next level, technologically speaking.

dungfungus dungfungus 5:21 pm 23 May 16

HenryBG said :

madelini said :

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

A women’s body is hers, to do with as she pleases.

It should hardly come as a suprise that those who want to snuff out free speech have their very own irrational dogma, which they want to ram down everybody else’s throats…..

gooterz said :

Acton said :

But there is something fascinatingly Orwellian about banning a protest on the grounds of a perceived lack of….tolerance.
In their fury to defend their own intolerance, it seems many miss the irony.

They are not being banned. They are free to protest, just not right outside the health centre and surrounding areas.

These areas are public spaces, to which the freedom to protest applies.
Today they are banning christians from outside the healthcentre. Next time it might be you.

gooterz said :

I also don’t understand why they feel their beliefs are more important than everyone else’s.

Are you referring to the protesters here, or supporters of Corbell’s law to impose *their* beliefs on all of us?

gooterz said :

This is quite clearly just one minority group using it’s position of power to lay the boot into another minority group with whom they hold a grudge. The abortion issue is just a smoke screen for the punters.

And this is a good point – the ACT Labor party has been attacking the christians (and mostly losing) for years.
The ALP just can’t handle the fact that its values are not universal values and are not shared by large segments of the population.

steveu said :

The “protesters” were within the exclusion zone this morning and I was happy to inform them of that. Unlike a lot of people I put my money where my mouth is as well as passive-aggressively ranting about it on the internet. I’ll be doing the same thing next Friday if they violate the zone again.

Oh, good-oh, why don’t you and your mates all wear distinctive-coloured shirts – say black shirts – when you roam the public streets looking for christians to persecute?

There is no such thing as freedom to protest. Freedom of speech yes not freedom to protest where and when you like.

Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.

And again nothing unique what so ever about having the right to process controlled.

“Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.”

No one has ever moved on the “protesting” campers outside Old Parliament House yet so I think there is a precedent about the issue.
You and your toy tram colleagues may think you can walk all over us but don’t push your luck too far.

JC JC 2:45 pm 23 May 16

John Hargreaves said :

HenryBG said :

There is no such thing as freedom to protest. Freedom of speech yes not freedom to protest where and when you like.

Freedom of speech, freedom of free association and freedom of assembly are all recognised human rights which all add up to the freedom to protest in a public place.
Clearly, our comrade leaders are less concerned about Rights, and more concerned about enforcing political correctness.

HenryBG said :

Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.

You mean if Dungers broke a law and obstructed traffic, he would be moved on? True.
Funny thing is, these christians were breaking no law……which is why the ACT Supreme Soviet had to enact a new law to shut them up with.
Which is to say, your analogy was a bad one.

John Moulis said :

What I was saying nothing unique about protests being controlled in where they can and cannot protest or indeed where people may gather en-mass.

As for the odd location would have thought the main act health health clinic would have been the most sensible place for said clinic.

Agreed, there is nothing unique in this. Stalin used to control it pretty tightly, as one example.

I note you support the right of people to protest, so long as they do it where you would like them to do it. Maybe you could double-check your dictionary under “freedom” to see what it says?

So Dungers will get moved on for obstructing traffic if he were to protest on Northborne Ave? But isn’t that a public space? Did you just tell us that it is his right to protest anywhere he feels like in public?

Hmm or could it be that a public foot path is much like a road? Make a nuisance of yourself and you will be moved on.

Maya123 Maya123 1:09 pm 23 May 16

chewy14 said :

Shart said :

If I stood outside a church every Sunday harassing parishioners and telling them they were pedo’s etc… how long before I would get carted off by the police huh?

It is ironic that your right to protest outside a church is the precise right that you are signing away with your support for this anti-democratic measure against the god-botherers.

Please give examples of this happening; especially on an ongoing basis, such as the anti-choice campaigners outside the clinic has been doing. Maybe if this was happening this would need to be addressed too, but it hasn’t been.

HenryBG HenryBG 11:12 am 23 May 16

Shart said :

If I stood outside a church every Sunday harassing parishioners and telling them they were pedo’s etc… how long before I would get carted off by the police huh?

It is ironic that your right to protest outside a church is the precise right that you are signing away with your support for this anti-democratic measure against the god-botherers.

HenryBG HenryBG 11:04 am 23 May 16

HenryBG said :

There is no such thing as freedom to protest. Freedom of speech yes not freedom to protest where and when you like.

Freedom of speech, freedom of free association and freedom of assembly are all recognised human rights which all add up to the freedom to protest in a public place.
Clearly, our comrade leaders are less concerned about Rights, and more concerned about enforcing political correctness.

HenryBG said :

Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.

You mean if Dungers broke a law and obstructed traffic, he would be moved on? True.
Funny thing is, these christians were breaking no law……which is why the ACT Supreme Soviet had to enact a new law to shut them up with.
Which is to say, your analogy was a bad one.

John Moulis said :

What I was saying nothing unique about protests being controlled in where they can and cannot protest or indeed where people may gather en-mass.

As for the odd location would have thought the main act health health clinic would have been the most sensible place for said clinic.

Agreed, there is nothing unique in this. Stalin used to control it pretty tightly, as one example.

I note you support the right of people to protest, so long as they do it where you would like them to do it. Maybe you could double-check your dictionary under “freedom” to see what it says?

gooterz gooterz 10:56 am 23 May 16

HenryBG said :

madelini said :

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

A women’s body is hers, to do with as she pleases.

It should hardly come as a suprise that those who want to snuff out free speech have their very own irrational dogma, which they want to ram down everybody else’s throats…..

gooterz said :

Acton said :

But there is something fascinatingly Orwellian about banning a protest on the grounds of a perceived lack of….tolerance.
In their fury to defend their own intolerance, it seems many miss the irony.

They are not being banned. They are free to protest, just not right outside the health centre and surrounding areas.

These areas are public spaces, to which the freedom to protest applies.
Today they are banning christians from outside the healthcentre. Next time it might be you.

gooterz said :

I also don’t understand why they feel their beliefs are more important than everyone else’s.

Are you referring to the protesters here, or supporters of Corbell’s law to impose *their* beliefs on all of us?

gooterz said :

This is quite clearly just one minority group using it’s position of power to lay the boot into another minority group with whom they hold a grudge. The abortion issue is just a smoke screen for the punters.

And this is a good point – the ACT Labor party has been attacking the christians (and mostly losing) for years.
The ALP just can’t handle the fact that its values are not universal values and are not shared by large segments of the population.

steveu said :

The “protesters” were within the exclusion zone this morning and I was happy to inform them of that. Unlike a lot of people I put my money where my mouth is as well as passive-aggressively ranting about it on the internet. I’ll be doing the same thing next Friday if they violate the zone again.

Oh, good-oh, why don’t you and your mates all wear distinctive-coloured shirts – say black shirts – when you roam the public streets looking for christians to persecute?

There is no such thing as freedom to protest. Freedom of speech yes not freedom to protest where and when you like.

Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.

And again nothing unique what so ever about having the right to process controlled.

The lake protest with the tent was there for months.

JC JC 12:11 am 23 May 16

HenryBG said :

gazket said :

steveu said :

I’m surprised more people aren’t protesting their right to protest.

No one is being denied their right to protest. Just their location to do so is controlled. Nothing unique to Canberra, nothing unique to the abortion debate either.

Persons protested illegally the Barr had a problem with it and banned it as much as he could. I’m sure if he could get away with banning it completely he would.
Down the track this ban has been extended. What’s to say it doesn’t get increased. Lots of places do medical procedures.

Given its Canberra protesters protesting at a Canberra facility and a Canberra facility I would say there is some semblance of it being unique to Canberra.

I’m still of the opinion that humans are humans and sometimes screw up. A screwed up abortion is birth, and a premature birth at a facility not equipped to deal with it is manslaughter by negligence.

The centre of the CBD also seems like an odd place for an abortion clinic, could it be that this has something to do with the sale price of the new apartments next to it?

What I was saying nothing unique about protests being controlled in where they can and cannot protest or indeed where people may gather en-mass.

As for the odd location would have thought the main act health health clinic would have been the most sensible place for said clinic.

JC JC 12:08 am 23 May 16

madelini said :

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

A women’s body is hers, to do with as she pleases.

It should hardly come as a suprise that those who want to snuff out free speech have their very own irrational dogma, which they want to ram down everybody else’s throats…..

gooterz said :

Acton said :

But there is something fascinatingly Orwellian about banning a protest on the grounds of a perceived lack of….tolerance.
In their fury to defend their own intolerance, it seems many miss the irony.

They are not being banned. They are free to protest, just not right outside the health centre and surrounding areas.

These areas are public spaces, to which the freedom to protest applies.
Today they are banning christians from outside the healthcentre. Next time it might be you.

gooterz said :

I also don’t understand why they feel their beliefs are more important than everyone else’s.

Are you referring to the protesters here, or supporters of Corbell’s law to impose *their* beliefs on all of us?

gooterz said :

This is quite clearly just one minority group using it’s position of power to lay the boot into another minority group with whom they hold a grudge. The abortion issue is just a smoke screen for the punters.

And this is a good point – the ACT Labor party has been attacking the christians (and mostly losing) for years.
The ALP just can’t handle the fact that its values are not universal values and are not shared by large segments of the population.

steveu said :

The “protesters” were within the exclusion zone this morning and I was happy to inform them of that. Unlike a lot of people I put my money where my mouth is as well as passive-aggressively ranting about it on the internet. I’ll be doing the same thing next Friday if they violate the zone again.

Oh, good-oh, why don’t you and your mates all wear distinctive-coloured shirts – say black shirts – when you roam the public streets looking for christians to persecute?

There is no such thing as freedom to protest. Freedom of speech yes not freedom to protest where and when you like.

Take dungers for example and his anti light rail stance. He has every right to disagree and protest but watch what happens if he were to set up a tent on Northborne ave. he would be moved on pretty fast.

And again nothing unique what so ever about having the right to process controlled.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 10:07 am 22 May 16

HenryBG said :

Acton said :

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

There seems to be a fault in your logic there. Last time I saw this group, they were all women (and they weren’t ‘harassing’ anyone either)

I thought that a fault too, however, those protesting women are using their freedom to choose their viewpoint, but denying that freedom to other women to choose their (another) viewpoint.

These protesting women are not denying anyone anything. They aren’t stopping anyone from getting access to the abortion clinic. They aren’t exercising mind control on them.

To say they are denying anyone their freedom is purely absurd and nothing more than a failed attempt to legitimise an overreaching law that should never have been implemented in the first place.

gooterz gooterz 12:11 am 22 May 16

gazket said :

steveu said :

I’m surprised more people aren’t protesting their right to protest.

No one is being denied their right to protest. Just their location to do so is controlled. Nothing unique to Canberra, nothing unique to the abortion debate either.

Persons protested illegally the Barr had a problem with it and banned it as much as he could. I’m sure if he could get away with banning it completely he would.
Down the track this ban has been extended. What’s to say it doesn’t get increased. Lots of places do medical procedures.

Given its Canberra protesters protesting at a Canberra facility and a Canberra facility I would say there is some semblance of it being unique to Canberra.

I’m still of the opinion that humans are humans and sometimes screw up. A screwed up abortion is birth, and a premature birth at a facility not equipped to deal with it is manslaughter by negligence.

The centre of the CBD also seems like an odd place for an abortion clinic, could it be that this has something to do with the sale price of the new apartments next to it?

HenryBG HenryBG 7:09 pm 21 May 16

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

A women’s body is hers, to do with as she pleases.

It should hardly come as a suprise that those who want to snuff out free speech have their very own irrational dogma, which they want to ram down everybody else’s throats…..

gooterz said :

Acton said :

But there is something fascinatingly Orwellian about banning a protest on the grounds of a perceived lack of….tolerance.
In their fury to defend their own intolerance, it seems many miss the irony.

They are not being banned. They are free to protest, just not right outside the health centre and surrounding areas.

These areas are public spaces, to which the freedom to protest applies.
Today they are banning christians from outside the healthcentre. Next time it might be you.

gooterz said :

I also don’t understand why they feel their beliefs are more important than everyone else’s.

Are you referring to the protesters here, or supporters of Corbell’s law to impose *their* beliefs on all of us?

gooterz said :

This is quite clearly just one minority group using it’s position of power to lay the boot into another minority group with whom they hold a grudge. The abortion issue is just a smoke screen for the punters.

And this is a good point – the ACT Labor party has been attacking the christians (and mostly losing) for years.
The ALP just can’t handle the fact that its values are not universal values and are not shared by large segments of the population.

steveu said :

The “protesters” were within the exclusion zone this morning and I was happy to inform them of that. Unlike a lot of people I put my money where my mouth is as well as passive-aggressively ranting about it on the internet. I’ll be doing the same thing next Friday if they violate the zone again.

Oh, good-oh, why don’t you and your mates all wear distinctive-coloured shirts – say black shirts – when you roam the public streets looking for christians to persecute?

Southmouth Southmouth 4:22 pm 21 May 16

This is quite clearly just one minority group using it’s position of power to lay the boot into another minority group with whom they hold a grudge. The abortion issue is just a smoke screen for the punters.

Kalliste Kalliste 3:49 pm 21 May 16

I personally don’t know if I agree with the laws or not. I don’t think these people should be protesting or harassing/humiliating women who are making a tough decision but it would be nice if they did that of their own accord rather than a law telling them to do so.

I mostly don’t understand why they feel so strongly about the issue that they’ll sit around the clinic every day. Why not do something useful with that time? Help survivors of violence. Help raise funds for people to get out of domestic violence. Anything!

I also don’t understand why they feel their beliefs are more important than everyone else’s. I don’t agree with how they choose to live their lives or the beliefs of a non-existent entity but I don’t try to make it difficult for them to do and as such it would be nice for them to give everyone else the same courtesy.

I’d also love them to watch this video that was on Last Week Tonight a few months ago about how the restrictive laws in the US are affecting people trying to get abortion and ask them whether that is what they wish it were like here.

To quote:
“I told her you can come to San Antonio and we can see you here, she said I can’t, I don’t have the means, there is no way I can get to San Antonio. So, what if I tell you what I have in my kitchen cabinet and you tell me what I can do.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRauXXz6t0Y

Acton Acton 2:51 pm 21 May 16

Some recent comments by author JK Rowlings on another matter caught my eye, because they are just as relevant to this issue.

Concerned for the growing “intolerance of alternative viewpoints” in “many developed countries”, Rowling said it was more important than ever to respect freedom of speech. “The tides of populism and nationalism currently sweeping many developed countries have been accompanied by demands that unwelcome and inconvenient voices be removed from public discourse,” she said.

“If you seek the removal of freedoms simply on the grounds that they have offended you, you have crossed the line to stand among tyrants who imprison, torture and kill on exactly the same justification.” http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-defends-trump's-right-to-be-bigot/7425796

It matters not whether you support or oppose abortion. This is not even about abortion. Those people who support Simon Corbell’s anti-protest zone and fines for protesting abortion because they see and hear unwelcome and inconvenient voices, stand alongside “tyrants who imprison, torture and kill on exactly the same justification.”

You object to what they have to say, you object to them expressing their viewpoint, so you would stop them expressing their opinion because it offends you.

Those here now who somehow justify the removal of a freedom to openly protest a perceived wrong, a freedom gained by our ancestors over generations, suffering almost unimaginable persecutions, are of exactly the same nature and inclination as those people who throughout history, turned a blind eye to or sought to excuse the worst excesses of human nature. Every tyrant seeks an apathetic and compliant populace.

JC JC 11:37 am 21 May 16

Acton said :

But there is something fascinatingly Orwellian about banning a protest on the grounds of a perceived lack of….tolerance.
In their fury to defend their own intolerance, it seems many miss the irony.

They are not being banned. They are free to protest, just not right outside the health centre and surrounding areas.

JC JC 11:35 am 21 May 16

steveu said :

I’m surprised more people aren’t protesting their right to protest.

No one is being denied their right to protest. Just their location to do so is controlled. Nothing unique to Canberra, nothing unique to the abortion debate either.

Maya123 Maya123 11:16 am 21 May 16

Acton said :

rommeldog56 said :

If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-women. If you are anti-abortion, you hate women.

There seems to be a fault in your logic there. Last time I saw this group, they were all women (and they weren’t ‘harassing’ anyone either)

I thought that a fault too, however, those protesting women are using their freedom to choose their viewpoint, but denying that freedom to other women to choose their (another) viewpoint. Behind these protesting women though is a male organisation, making the rules for its members, and denying women the right to share in the rule making.

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