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Police pursuits endangering lives (not criminals) – civil libertarian

By Ralph - 5 July 2007 54

The ABC reports that Civil Liberties Australia is howling over yesterday’s police pusuit through Canberra, claiming that police are endangering lives.

Apparently the full moon was last Friday, but I’m sure one would have thought that rising numbers of violent thugs are more of a threat to Canberrans.

Said offender had allegedly robbed elderly women of cash from ATMs.

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Police pursuits endangering lives (not criminals) – civil libertarian
Hasdrubahl 6:50 pm 05 Jul 07

I have no objection to this activity. I can never get to Melbourne to see the Grand Prix, so watching these pursuits is the next best thing.

Cletus 6:23 pm 05 Jul 07

Apologies for the formatting: it is my first post here. I didn’t realise the forum word-wraps for you.

Cletus 6:22 pm 05 Jul 07

The point isn’t that police shouldn’t catch criminals, it’s that they should exercise caution whilst doing so – and maybe call off pursuits if they look to involve a shitload of cars zooming around at high-speed nears schools full of children. It’s just dumb luck no-one was injured or killed during this pursuit and it’s not a risk that can be afforded time and time again. Catching a criminal isn’t ever worth someone’s life.

That’s rubbish, that’s just painting a grey issue
as black and white.

Let’s take your black and white to the logical
conclusion: catching a killer isn’t worth any
life, catching a mass murderer isn’t, catching
Hitler wasn’t… but compared to any of those
things, driving to the shops is totally insignifcant and since you risk killing someone
on the way there, you can’t go. Actually you
shouldn’t walk there either because you could
trip over and kill yourself or someone who
happens to get in your way. Maybe just don’t
get out of bed.

The reality is there are always risks and so
risks will always have to be taken. You even see
things like statistical estimates how many more
people will get cancer from the radioactive
pollutants from X new coal fired power plants and such. So we’re talking about real risks and lives
being weighed up all the time.

The balance should be reasonable, of course, but
“catching a criminal” is definitely worth a
considerable risk. Imagine if nobody could ever
take any risk to catch a criminal (ie. the best
that the police force could do is stay in bed)!
And no, it isn’t about just catching this one
person either, it is about deterrent too.

el 6:18 pm 05 Jul 07

Yeah, it’s great to see the armchair experts coming out of the woodwork and telling the cops how they can better do their job already.

Really.

sepi 6:15 pm 05 Jul 07

DMD – we also don’t want a situation where crazy drivers know that all they have to do is speed round and round schools and the police will leave.

asp 6:04 pm 05 Jul 07

Let me first say this… I hate civil liberterians!!! We all deserve rights and liberties, but these people are too extreme in their views.

That said, there are smarter ways to catch theives. And the responce by police must be proportional to the risk to the community and the crime committed. On this occassion, we have a scum bag, praying on elderly members of the community. He must be cought.

But to launch a full scale police chase that ends with the offender being rammed is over zealous. In many US states, for offenders who are not committing a crime or endangering the community at the time they are spotted by police, police now prefer to use unmarked vehicles to follow the offender until they stop and exit the vehicle when they get to their destination.

I think on this occassion, a more subtle and covert tactic would have been more appropriate. It would have meant very little risk to the community and would have saved taxpayers the bill for the repairs to those police cars which will be off the road while they are repaired.

Deadmandrinking 5:23 pm 05 Jul 07

The point isn’t that police shouldn’t catch criminals, it’s that they should exercise caution whilst doing so – and maybe call off pursuits if they look to involve a shitload of cars zooming around at high-speed nears schools full of children. It’s just dumb luck no-one was injured or killed during this pursuit and it’s not a risk that can be afforded time and time again. Catching a criminal isn’t ever worth someone’s life.

VYBerlinaV8 now_with 4:45 pm 05 Jul 07

People like this are the reason that I always figured that if I had a home invasion I’d simply beat the person beyond recognition as a human, and then dump them in the reserve acorss the street. What are they going to do? Call the cops?

Ralph 4:32 pm 05 Jul 07

Be mindful that it was the ABC who found this to be newsworthy. No surprise there I suppose. But I agree, best just to not give these characters any oxygen at all.

JD114 4:27 pm 05 Jul 07

The problem isn’t so much with that idiot Bill Rowlings, who obviously has little concept of reality, but rather it’s the irresponsible journalists (I use the term lightly here) who waste everyone’s time by reporting such drivel. I thought editors and producers were there to do that sort of work, obviously whoever should have nipped the stupid story in the bud didn’t do their job! ergo, they be overpaid and underworked like most media people!

justbands 4:19 pm 05 Jul 07

Well done to the cops I say! One violent offender caught, nobody injured. Perhaps the civil libertarians should consider the civil liberties of the poor elderly ladies that were attacked by this scumbag.

Ralph 4:11 pm 05 Jul 07

Also thanks to these moonbat civil libertarians and their ilk this thug will be back on the streets in no time at all.

I’m sure Mr Rowlings would change his tune if he was the victim of a violent home invasion.

piperdoon 3:59 pm 05 Jul 07

poor bastard – being harrassed like that. Need to put Mr Rowlings together with the civic minded money liberator and see what his tune is.

Someone needs to get a grasp on reality – and what am I missing here, what does a police pursuit of a criminal have to do with civil liberties???????

Thumper 3:58 pm 05 Jul 07

F*ck em…

Both the idiotic cardigan wearing leather elbow patched civil libertarians and the criminals.

Bill Rowlings sounds like a first class wanker who needs to get his head out of his arse once in a while. Maybe some lowlife will give him a flogging at an ATM and steal his money one day.

Yes, we need civil liberties, but not to the detriment of society so that thugs like this bastard get away.

Good on the coppers for nabbing the prick.

Ntp 3:48 pm 05 Jul 07

“and certainly I think there needs to be another close look at why these pursuits are escalating, why we’re getting more of them” said Mr high and mighty ACT Chief Executive of Civil Liberties Bill Rowlings

Could this by chance have anything with the continued harping by people like yourself Mr Rowlings making criminals, perhaps rightly, think that police have so many safety constraints on them regarding pursuits that if you run you have a fair chance of getting away?

If the rumour mill is right yesterday’s pursuit was called off several times and the primary police vehicles disengaged but our poor alledged offender kept driving past secondary patrol vehicles who were in the area to support if needed and who after asking for clearance were given the go ahead to recommence the pursuit.

God forbid police be allowed to catch criminals!

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