Police Wrap - 22 May

Totally agree Gobbo!

I do have a problem with eating meat though. I am not mean or rude to people who eat it though, as I think that is just what most people know. But if anyone wants to raise it with me, I will (without picking on them) try to explain my issues with it.

I used to work in a butchers also. I can’t believe it now though!

Jim Jones said :

Gobbo said :

Titter titter titter.

Let it go, Gobbo.

Take a deep breath or something.

Oh I was just laughing at you Jim.

I’m fine now.

Where does it say that we think killing animals is bad?
Being cruel to animals certainly is. Killing a sheep that is part of an agricultural program by stabbing it for no reason falls under this.
I personally think it is very good to kill animals and will enjoy my steak for dinner tonight.

Gobbo said :

Titter titter titter.

Let it go, Gobbo.

Take a deep breath or something.

FC said :

Personally I think there is a very simple way to have better outcomes for all (the environment, the animals, peoples health, workers)
and that would be to stop breeding and slaughtering animals.
It seems so, so simple to me. Alas, the majority don’t seem to agree..:(

Or, have people be totally aware of what the process involves. That would at least get advances for slaughtering to go ahead quickly.

I have no objections to people eating meat. My Grandpop was a butcher. If people didn’t eat meat, we would have had to have keep my Granny working. She was the Grocer. 🙂

It is from working with him that I became aware of the whole slaughtering process. I knew which part of an animal was being served on my plate. Too many people are too far removed from their meat and two veg to realise what is involved.

Titter titter titter.

Gobbo said :

FC said :

killed ‘more humanely” than this incident perhaps, however thats not saying much.

Done correctly and in ideal circumstances a captive bolt pistol will bring an instantaneous death. However, I do realise that most abattoirs are not ideal. They need to do far more to separate the living animal from the dead meat to be considered humane.

I saw a great show on how simple alterations in the way a slaughterhouse is designed to bring a better end result for the animal that is being slaughtered. With some minor alterations most slaughterhouses could bring a calmer cow up the line to the machine that goes *BANG*. That would be far more humane for the poor little moos before they decorate plates.

I don’t been to be a trouble maker – But I just have to say how funny is it when we talk about “better end results for the animal”
Um.. the end result is that the animal is dead.
We have decided that it should die for no other reason than we feel like eating meat.
hmm.

And I know you weren’t using your words, but describing the programme, so please don’t take my comment to be a go at you 🙂

Personally I think there is a very simple way to have better outcomes for all (the environment, the animals, peoples health, workers)
and that would be to stop breeding and slaughtering animals.
It seems so, so simple to me. Alas, the majority don’t seem to agree..:(

chewy14 said :

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25521640-29277,00.html

The sheep was allegedly stabbed!!!!!

Maybe it just fell on a knife five times.

+5

Peekz said :

Jim Jones said :

How in all hell do you “allegedly stab” someone?

Seriously, cops have got to start using English instead of their own cliched jargon. I’m amazed that the write-up doesn’t include anyone “brandishing” a weapon.

Perhaps you should read the whole sentence and understand the context before saddling up on the grammar high horse and riding off into the sunset.

If you need further clarification as to why the use of the word ‘allegedly’ is perfectly apt in that sentence, feel free to let us know.

The sentence is very clear: “Around 4.50pm police received reports of an altercation between two men during which a 31-year-old Farrer man was allegedly stabbed.”

If there’s any way that ‘allegedly stabbed’ can be taken in this sentence as anything but a verb in the past tense, I’d like to see your explanation.

Jim Jones said :

The first line says that it was “a stabbing which occurred in a home on Spafford Crescent”.

Where’s the ambiguity in that?

Your right. There is no ambiguity. However, there should have been. Until the Police have concluded their investigations they can not say that this wound was not self-inflicted.

FC said :

killed ‘more humanely” than this incident perhaps, however thats not saying much.

Done correctly and in ideal circumstances a captive bolt pistol will bring an instantaneous death. However, I do realise that most abattoirs are not ideal. They need to do far more to separate the living animal from the dead meat to be considered humane.

I saw a great show on how simple alterations in the way a slaughterhouse is designed to bring a better end result for the animal that is being slaughtered. With some minor alterations most slaughterhouses could bring a calmer cow up the line to the machine that goes *BANG*. That would be far more humane for the poor little moos before they decorate plates.

Gobbo said :

The wound suffered by one person by a knife, may or may not have been the result of a stabbing.

The first line says that it was “a stabbing which occurred in a home on Spafford Crescent”.

Where’s the ambiguity in that?

Jim Jones said :

How in all hell do you “allegedly stab” someone?

Seriously, cops have got to start using English instead of their own cliched jargon. I’m amazed that the write-up doesn’t include anyone “brandishing” a weapon.

Perhaps you should read the whole sentence and understand the context before saddling up on the grammar high horse and riding off into the sunset.

If you need further clarification as to why the use of the word ‘allegedly’ is perfectly apt in that sentence, feel free to let us know.

Gobbo said :

On one hand we are saying “its bad to kill animals” then in the same token the community mainly supports the slaughter of animals for the meat industry. So is it that you can only kill animals if you are a part of a business? or if you are going to eat them afterwards?
It is a mixed message I believe.

I do not beleive the sheep at the school were humanely slaughtered. I do beleive that the majority of animals killed in slaughterhouses are more humanely killed.

I don’t eat meat anymore though.

killed ‘more humanely” than this incident perhaps, however thats not saying much.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25521640-29277,00.html

The sheep was allegedly stabbed!!!!!

Maybe it just fell on a knife five times.

Jim Jones said :

And presumably item 1 should have been called an “apparent collision”?

Hmmm? No. That is definately a collision.

The wound suffered by one person by a knife, may or may not have been the result of a stabbing.

I hope you can see *that* difference between sniggering at apparent absurdities. 🙂

And yes, I loves me oxygen.

On one hand we are saying “its bad to kill animals” then in the same token the community mainly supports the slaughter of animals for the meat industry. So is it that you can only kill animals if you are a part of a business? or if you are going to eat them afterwards?
It is a mixed message I believe.

I do not beleive the sheep at the school were humanely slaughtered. I do beleive that the majority of animals killed in slaughterhouses are more humanely killed.

I don’t eat meat anymore though.

Gobbo said :

You do get worked up easily Jim. 🙂

I’d hardly call myself worked up.

I’m quite enjoying myself. Reading some hilarious posts about ‘people falling on knives during an altercation’ as part of some rather transparently lame attempts to one-up another forum poster.

Hard to be worked up when you’ve got such lovely absurdity to chuckle over.

Hope the oxygen works out for you, though.

It;s about preserving the muscle tone and flavour.

Seriously, though, people who kill animals out of some sort of thrill are sick, sick individuals.

Gobbo said :

farnarkler said :

You can add sheep killing to today’s wrap.

Just caught up with that story myself.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25521640-29277,00.html

I now feel sick.
I cannot fathom how anyone could do this.
I’m sure a lot of people will read this and feel equally disgusted and shocked, but then go home tonight and cook a chicken caserole or steak etc.
Maybe the people that are doing these things are confused about animals rights and worth. On one hand we are saying “its bad to kill animals” then in the same token the community mainly supports the slaughter of animals for the meat industry. So is it that you can only kill animals if you are a part of a business? or if you are going to eat them afterwards?
It is a mixed message I believe.

Personally I am absolutely disgusted about the sheep slaughter. I hope they get the scum.

You do get worked up easily Jim. 🙂

I just mentioned that the person in question may have fallen on a knife during an altercation, which isn’t the same thing as being apparently stabbed.

I also mentioned that I had a friend who had twice had a similar incident occur with a knife. It was not a stabbing.

I did not mention about the heatedness or otherwise of the incidents that my friend was involved in, or any police involvement. I was simply giving you an example of how something that causes a hole in a body with blood coming out involving a knife does not mean a stabbing had occured.

Have a nice deep intake of oxygen. Hold it. Now exhale. Repeat until you feel better. 🙂

I did.

Jim Jones said :

How in all hell do you “allegedly stab” someone?

The victim was allegedly stabbed – slightly different; it simply means someone has been accused, but not proven or convicted, of stabbing someone.

Gobbo said :

Jim Jones said :

The very first line of the write-up calls it “a stabbing which occurred”, and then the second line devolves into cop-speak: tack on the word “alleged” to absolutely everything, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not.

They probably should have called it ‘an apparent stabbing’ initially.

And presumably item 1 should have been called an “apparent collision”?

Gobbo said :

Jim Jones said :

Oh, if I only had a penny for every time this happened to me.

My friend would have two pennies if she had a penny for everytime she had fallen on a knife and penetrated herself.

How much would you have Jim?

Oh my god, your friend was involved in a heated argument, the cops became involved, and they arrested someone for stabbing your friend, and it went to court, but really she’d only fallen over on a knife.

And it happened twice!!!

Jim Jones said :

Oh, if I only had a penny for every time this happened to me.

My friend would have two pennies if she had a penny for everytime she had fallen on a knife and penetrated herself.

How much would you have Jim?

Jim Jones said :

The very first line of the write-up calls it “a stabbing which occurred”, and then the second line devolves into cop-speak: tack on the word “alleged” to absolutely everything, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not.

They probably should have called it ‘an apparent stabbing’ initially.

Gobbo said :

Jim Jones said :

He was either stabbed, or he wasn’t. That sort of detail really isn’t hard to figure out.

Or he fell on a knife during an altercation which isn’t the same thing as being stabbed.

Oh, if I only had a penny for every time this happened to me.

Jim Jones said :

He was either stabbed, or he wasn’t. That sort of detail really isn’t hard to figure out.

Or he fell on a knife during an altercation which isn’t the same thing as being stabbed.

How do you figure? Because I can write more than one sentence about a subject?

Wow, you get worked up easily.

He was either stabbed, or he wasn’t. That sort of detail really isn’t hard to figure out.

Holes in body … check! Blood gushing out … check!

The very first line of the write-up calls it “a stabbing which occurred”, and then the second line devolves into cop-speak: tack on the word “alleged” to absolutely everything, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not.

The alleged man was allegedly walking his alleged dog down the alleged street, allegedly brandishing an irregular wooden device [stick].

Great zombie Jesus, can someone not tell the cops to start using the English language to communicate rather than obfuscate.

Jim Jones said :

How in all hell do you “allegedly stab” someone?

Seriously, cops have got to start using English instead of their own cliched jargon. I’m amazed that the write-up doesn’t include anyone “brandishing” a weapon.

Do we take it from you he was definitely stabbed by someone?

farnarkler said :

You can add sheep killing to today’s wrap.

Just caught up with that story myself.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25521640-29277,00.html

How in all hell do you “allegedly stab” someone?

Seriously, cops have got to start using English instead of their own cliched jargon. I’m amazed that the write-up doesn’t include anyone “brandishing” a weapon.

You can add sheep killing to today’s wrap.