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Round and round and round she goes….

weeziepops 17 March 2009 95

If I enter a roundabout in the right hand lane and have my right indicator flashing, can I then go straight through the roundabout (opting, perhaps, to indicate left as I exit the other side)? 

I thought I could, but the consistent failure of fellow drivers to consider that I may be going straight through instead of turning right has caused me to wonder… 

[ED – most people will take a right hand indicator as an… err… indication you wish to turn right. But I leave it up to the road rules nerds to clear this up]


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GB GB 11:42 am 19 Mar 09

astrojax said :

be nice, and practice good habits – wouldn’t the road be a nice place if everyone did this?

Indeed so, much better than “my instructor told me not to in 1976” or “the rules don’t say you have to”.

Actually, “be nice, and practice good habits” would help quite a lot of things in the world… oops, sorry, just dreaming there.

astrojax astrojax 9:54 am 19 Mar 09

all excellent reasons for indicating, hax, bravo – at least i don’t feel isolated in adopting deckard’s philosophy – which is exactly what my dad always used to say: ‘it’s nice to be nice”…

so, from the number of times you’re likely to be wanting to indicate in this situation, one moves smoothly into the ‘always indicate’ mindset to practice pretty well non-consciously what you’d want to happen in pretty well most circumstances (kinda like trying not to run over white lines if you can help on a m/cyle as, in the wet, this default mindset will help you make faster decisions about where to steer your vehicle)

doesn’t one?

be nice, and practice good habits – wouldn’t the road be a nice place if everyone did this?

hax hax 2:21 am 19 Mar 09

Deckard said :

I guess the nice thing to do would be to indicate.

For a form one lane..
If there’s a car in front of me, I indicate to say “I’m not going to put my foot down at the last second and try and get in front of you”
If there’s a car behind me, I indicate to say “Don’t put your foot down at the last second and try to pass me”

Actually, if there’s a car in front and nobody behind me I just change into the same lane before the form one lane so we can get through smoothly without the need to slow down.

Deckard Deckard 9:40 pm 18 Mar 09

Reading it again, we might need a legal ruling on the difference between ‘Be prepared to’ and ‘Required’. Because I would have thought looking when forming 1 lane would be required.

I guess the nice thing to do would be to indicate.

Deckard Deckard 9:36 pm 18 Mar 09

Got it working.

It says that in a form one lane situation ‘Be prepared to use lane changing
procedures in this situation, ie using your mirrors, indicators and doing a head check.’

Where the merge right rule says ‘Lane changing procedures are required when one lane ends and you are required to merge into another lane. This includes indicating and head checks.

So I’d read that as an optional on the form one lane indicating. ie, indicate if there’s a car near you.

SheepGroper SheepGroper 9:33 pm 18 Mar 09

My instructor taught me up to around two years ago, and he insisted I indicate, but then it may have been part of the concept of being a good citizen on the road that he was beating into me.

Deckard Deckard 9:23 pm 18 Mar 09

Early 90’s. I remember my instructor telling me that some people do indicate but it’s not in the road rules that you have to.

Am having problems with my acrobat reader so can’t get on the ACT Rules site to check if it’s still the case.

SheepGroper SheepGroper 9:17 pm 18 Mar 09

When were you taught that?

Deckard Deckard 9:13 pm 18 Mar 09

astrojax said :

aah, yes, not questioning the zipper principle, which is entirely effective and egalitarian; but whose responsibility to indicate is it??

I was taught that you don’t need to indicate in a form 1 lane situation.

vg vg 7:13 pm 18 Mar 09

Turning left at a roundabout indicate left and turn left. Turning right indicate right and turn right. Going straight ahead, don’t indicate and proceed ahead.

If you’re turning left or going straight ahead get in the left lane. If you are turning right get in the right lane.

Follow these simple rules and all will be in a happy place.

Yes, you can go straight ahead in the right lane of a roundaboout but why not make it simple and get in the left lane unless you physically can’t turn right

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 7:06 pm 18 Mar 09

Try including the next sentence which obviously should be read in conjunction with the one you quoted

Look, try to keep up with me here.

You said, and I quote – again: ““if you are going straight through a roundabout you indicate right when entering”.

Now, for the second time, you’re claiming that this is the exactly the same as the road rules that say you should:

– indicate left or right when entering a roundabout if you intend to turn left or right; and
– you should indicate left immediately before exiting a roundabout.

Could you point out the part that actually says what you said? The part about indicating right when entering to turn straight? Because all I see is a rule about indicating right when you’re going to turn right.

I’m worried you’ll wipe yourself out on a roundabout before I get a straight answer.

Grrrr Grrrr 6:27 pm 18 Mar 09

kramer – it is NOT current Australian road rules to indicate right when intending to go ahead, and it has not been the rule in Vic. National Rules can be found here http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARR_February_2009_final.pdf – page 112 of the PDF is what you’re after.

I’m curious as to where people really get this idea from. Obviously no-one here is admitting to doing it. I’ve seen non-geriatric drivers do it, and recently..

Another thing that gets to me is people indicating a Right Turn late, IE waiting until already in the intersection. That’s a good way to get run into by an oncoming driver.

Also, people who ignore the double white lines usually found in the last 10 metres before a roundabout – I have seen plenty of drivers overtaking bike riders there. (Never mind the odd idiot trying to overtake in the rider’s lane on a roundabout!)

Lastly, I’d like to remind a certain motorbike rider out there that they don’t have way over push bikes just because they feel like it. Picture this: Red lights, push bike waiting to take off from the left lane. Couple of cars waiting in the right lane. Motor bike approaching from behind in the left lane. Lights go green, everyone takes off – and will soon merge into one lane. Motorbike coming up from behind speeds up and gets on his horn to try and get the bike rider out of his way, so he can beat the cars into the single lane. Fortunately he sneaks past without hitting anyone.

SheepGroper SheepGroper 5:49 pm 18 Mar 09

I was taught both have to indicate too, and that’s as recently as a little over two years ago.

caf caf 3:34 pm 18 Mar 09

Both. At least with the ACT-style “form-one-lane” where neither lane continues.

astrojax astrojax 3:31 pm 18 Mar 09

aah, yes, not questioning the zipper principle, which is entirely effective and egalitarian; but whose responsibility to indicate is it??

Madame Workalot Madame Workalot 12:37 pm 18 Mar 09

astrojax said :

indicating when two lanes merge to one – vehicle in left lane is obliged to merge into the right lane (right of way to the right?), so must indicate to ‘change lanes’ to come into the right lane..? but vehicle in right lane just keeps on keeping on..?

comments?

I abide by the rule whichever car is in front or, if there’s traffic, the zipper rule. Works for me (most of the time)…

astrojax astrojax 11:59 am 18 Mar 09

indicating when two lanes merge to one – vehicle in left lane is obliged to merge into the right lane (right of way to the right?), so must indicate to ‘change lanes’ to come into the right lane..? but vehicle in right lane just keeps on keeping on..?

comments?

mobtekl mobtekl 11:30 am 18 Mar 09

Jesus christ, take yourself off the road now, it’s people like you that scare the crap out of me when I see them driving.
Mandatory IQ test for all drivers, that’s just bloody retarded. Moron

old canberran old canberran 9:26 am 18 Mar 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

That web page said exactly what I said/wrote:-

Really? It says, and I’m quoting you here, “if you are going straight through a roundabout you indicate right when entering”? It must be written in some kind of invisible ink only old men can read with their onion belt decoder buckles, because I sure can’t see it.

Try including the next sentence which obviously should be read in conjunction with the one you quoted:-

When exiting a roundabout, whether you are turning left, right or even going straight ahead, you must always indicate a left turn just before you exit, unless it is not practical to do so.

The quote in my earlier post is from the RTA web site.

hax hax 9:01 am 18 Mar 09

Well at least now I know why people do this recently (indicate right to go straight).
(Although it flies in the face of common sense and I’m not sure why it would have been an official rule, anywhere.. ever.)

The problem is enhanced when an unsure driver indicates right from the left hand lane before they enter, only to proceeding straight.. scary!

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