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Sick of students on Action buses

By mddawson - 2 June 2011 60

I am getting sick of the rudness of private school students on Action buses. 

I get the 318 from Woden each afternoon and most passengers wait patiently to board. 

But not the Daramalan and Merici girls who push into the front of the cue, refuse to stand for older people and often take up multiple seats leaving people standing. 

I am not sure what things their parents are paying these schools to teach their kids but manners is not one of those things.

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bethybobs 2:58 am 07 Jun 11

In two foreign countries recently I saw amazing manners on public transport. In one country on the subway no even remotely older looking person was left standing if a younger person was sitting. They got up without hesitation. In another country on a bus, a group of young boys probably about 11 we sitting down, as each subsequent person got on one by one they stood up and gave their seats. I was suitably impressed as my experience on buses in Canberra also leads me to believe that sometimes there are inconsiderate people. However I do believe if you really need a seat more often then not simply asking someone to move there bag should help. If not pull out your phone take a pic particularly if they have a uniform and email away. A nice artsy shot of a young person sitting while a person who needs a seat is standing would say a thousand words I am sure.

Innovation 4:25 pm 06 Jun 11

Bussie – First let me point out that I think this thread has become very theoretical. mddawson hasn’t provided any further info, the original story had holes in it and the original post looks like it was just a sledge at some private school students. Perhaps this has become a smaller scale silver commodore thread….

My confusion arose when you posted details for all of the 318’s routes. Why would you do that unless you were implying that these kids would be going somewhere on the 318 other than from Woden to Tuggeranong (which was what I was originally guessing)?

Also, in your post #55 you wrote “But anything the driver can ask the kids to do so can you. Maybe the kids will take more notice of the driver but it’s not like the driver can throw the kids off the bus.” Now you post “Whatever the regulations the bus driver can’t really do anything except stop the bus and ask them to stop their objectionable behaviour or get off. If they refuse the driver cannot do anything except radio in and ask for transport officers (ie interchange supervisors) and/or police to attend.”

My point is that the bus drivers legally and implicitly have authority to do something about these situations if they become aware of them. Based on your posts on other threads, you strike me as one of the many drivers that would step in and do something if you became aware of it so it’s irrelevant what the legislation states. In this case, if this situation really did happen and you saw them pushing in, you probably would have sent the kids to the back of the queue and that would be the end of it.

I agree too that mddawson should simply have complained to the passengers in the first instance (if she/he even bothered to let it get up their nose in the first place). My point though was that there must be other circumstances when people feel that they need to complain to the driver (eg, they feel intimidated or perhaps they already have complained to the other passengers and the passengers haven’t modified their behaviour). It would be a bit of a cop out for a driver to say that they are powerless so don’t bother complaining to me.

Bussie 1:48 pm 06 Jun 11

Innovation said :

Bussie said :

Innovation said :

mddawson – you originally posted that the Daramalan and Merici girls misbehave on the 318 FROM Woden each afternoon. Isn’t the 318’s next stop South of Woden, Tuggeranong? Since Dara and Merici are North Canberra schools (and there are private schools including Catholic and girls schools South of the lake), how many “girls” are we talking about?

The 318 goes Belconnen>Civic>Woden>Tuggeranong>Lanyon and the same in the other direction.

Maybe the driver should do something. I probably would if I noticed or someone brought it to my attention. But anything the driver can ask the kids to do so can you. Maybe the kids will take more notice of the driver but it’s not like the driver can throw the kids off the bus.

I’m confused. Why would a group of North Canberra students regularly get a bus to Woden in the afternoon and then get on the 318 back to the city? Surely these North Canberra students are getting on the 318 in Woden in the afternoon and then heading further South (ie next stop Tuggeranong)?

Also, don’t ACTION bus drivers have a responsibility to ensure that passengers meet certain requirements including that they “behave responsibly and safely at all times” and “respect the needs and rights of other passengers”. Where these requirements aren’t complied with, doesn’t ACTION have the power to take certain measures such as to notify parents/guardians and/or the school and/or issuing an infringement notice (re the Code of Conduct for Young Persons using Public Transport at http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/public_transport/bus)?

Also, the code of conduct refers to the Road Transport (Public Passenger Services) Act 2001 and its Regulations. Subclause 52(1) of the regulations states that “A person in a bus must not unreasonably interfere with the comfort or safety of anyone else. Maximum penalty: 5 penalty units.”

I agree that someone on a bus who feels aggrieved should, if possible, complain to the offender but sometimes this is not appropriate (eg if the person feels that they will be intimidated). However, isn’t the bus driver in all cases ultimately responsible if they have been notified of or are aware of an offence.

This issue is probably a mute point though since mddawson hasn’t provided any more information about their original gripe.

You sure are confused. Who said anything about them going from Woden to Civic in the afternoon? They clearly get one of the school buses that go from Darra/Merici to Woden then catch a regular service towards Tuggeranong.

If you’re intimidated by school girls maybe you should stay home wrapped in cotton wool.

Whatever the regulations the bus driver can’t really do anything except stop the bus and ask them to stop their objectionable behaviour or get off. If they refuse the driver cannot do anything except radio in and ask for transport officers (ie interchange supervisors) and/or police to attend. The TOs are also not allowed to physically remove someone from the bus. I’m not sure if they can actually issue those fines mentioned in the Transport Act. They’ve only recently got back the power to fine people parked in bus stops.

la mente torbida 8:40 am 06 Jun 11

Each generation has its quota of a**holes. Don’t judge the majority by the actions of the minority.

Innovation 12:34 am 06 Jun 11

Bussie said :

Innovation said :

mddawson – you originally posted that the Daramalan and Merici girls misbehave on the 318 FROM Woden each afternoon. Isn’t the 318’s next stop South of Woden, Tuggeranong? Since Dara and Merici are North Canberra schools (and there are private schools including Catholic and girls schools South of the lake), how many “girls” are we talking about?

The 318 goes Belconnen>Civic>Woden>Tuggeranong>Lanyon and the same in the other direction.

Maybe the driver should do something. I probably would if I noticed or someone brought it to my attention. But anything the driver can ask the kids to do so can you. Maybe the kids will take more notice of the driver but it’s not like the driver can throw the kids off the bus.

I’m confused. Why would a group of North Canberra students regularly get a bus to Woden in the afternoon and then get on the 318 back to the city? Surely these North Canberra students are getting on the 318 in Woden in the afternoon and then heading further South (ie next stop Tuggeranong)?

Also, don’t ACTION bus drivers have a responsibility to ensure that passengers meet certain requirements including that they “behave responsibly and safely at all times” and “respect the needs and rights of other passengers”. Where these requirements aren’t complied with, doesn’t ACTION have the power to take certain measures such as to notify parents/guardians and/or the school and/or issuing an infringement notice (re the Code of Conduct for Young Persons using Public Transport at http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/public_transport/bus)?

Also, the code of conduct refers to the Road Transport (Public Passenger Services) Act 2001 and its Regulations. Subclause 52(1) of the regulations states that “A person in a bus must not unreasonably interfere with the comfort or safety of anyone else. Maximum penalty: 5 penalty units.”

I agree that someone on a bus who feels aggrieved should, if possible, complain to the offender but sometimes this is not appropriate (eg if the person feels that they will be intimidated). However, isn’t the bus driver in all cases ultimately responsible if they have been notified of or are aware of an offence.

This issue is probably a mute point though since mddawson hasn’t provided any more information about their original gripe.

Bussie 10:23 pm 05 Jun 11

Innovation said :

mddawson – you originally posted that the Daramalan and Merici girls misbehave on the 318 FROM Woden each afternoon. Isn’t the 318’s next stop South of Woden, Tuggeranong? Since Dara and Merici are North Canberra schools (and there are private schools including Catholic and girls schools South of the lake), how many “girls” are we talking about?

The 318 goes Belconnen>Civic>Woden>Tuggeranong>Lanyon and the same in the other direction.

Maybe the driver should do something. I probably would if I noticed or someone brought it to my attention. But anything the driver can ask the kids to do so can you. Maybe the kids will take more notice of the driver but it’s not like the driver can throw the kids off the bus.

Wily_Bear 4:18 pm 04 Jun 11

2604 said :

Not sure why the OP had to make up a cock-and-bull story about catching the bus.

He/she could have just said “I’m against non-government education” and left it at that.

+ 1 2604. Thank you for pointing out what many were thinking. I’m sure there are already a sufficient number of ‘I’m so resentful my kids/I didn’t go to a private school that I’m going to find a single example of poor behaviour or underachieving and use it as proof that private school children are criminals in waiting’ threads on Riotact already. Yawn.

astrojax 1:40 pm 04 Jun 11

zildmaha said :

I thought parents were supposed to teach their kids manner….just another job for the school teacher it seems according to some…

absotively! when i were lad, we didn’t think twice about offering my seat to a fellow passenger who clearly needed it more than me; and still don’t, of course. courtesy is a dying art, it seems…

Angelina 10:22 am 04 Jun 11

I would advise against taking photos of school students (or anyone) on a bus, this could probably get you in a bit of trouble! But you should definately call them out on their behaviour, as some other people have said they might not realise they are being total wanks. If you publicly embarrass them it might shame them into behaving a little better. If this doesn’t work you should definately contact the schools.

I went to a private school and they regularly used to punish students if they behaved inappropriately on buses, at interchanges, etc. Of course some kids are still going to act like rude little jerks no matter what happens, but I think it’s pretty effective for the majority who are good people underneath all the bravado.

It might help too if a couple of other people who catch the same bus with you regularly also contacted the schools.

Watson 9:52 am 04 Jun 11

GardeningGirl said :

lumpy said :

My next big gripe with common courtesy is the inability of people to share a footpath. The amount of times I have had to resort to walking in gravel/mud/rough terrain all for the sake of two gas-bagging people not wanting to interrupt their conversation by taking a step behind their friend. Only the other week, I was forced into a bush because a group of afternoon walkers refused to adhere to the keep left politeness.

Maybe I was raised too well, but I think manners have fallen extremely short of people these days. But hey, I’m 23 years old with the outlook of a 70 year old.

Yep, never understood that attitude of we get to hog the path two or three abreast while you’re welcome to jump in the garden bed, gutter, side street, whatever.

Try a group of parents and kids chatting and blocking half of the 2 meter wide steps at the primary school at 3pm and being totally oblivious of other parents with kids (and bags and even strollers and bikes) trying to squeeze past them and having to wait because the steps have suddenly turned one way.

I know, petty rant, but to me it always seems to indicate a deeper disrespect for other people’s needs. And it’s unfair for my child to see these kids and adults get away with such behaviour when she (almost) gets her ear clipped for getting in the way of other road users.

Innovation 2:17 am 04 Jun 11

mddawson – you originally posted that the Daramalan and Merici girls misbehave on the 318 FROM Woden each afternoon. Isn’t the 318’s next stop South of Woden, Tuggeranong? Since Dara and Merici are North Canberra schools (and there are private schools including Catholic and girls schools South of the lake), how many “girls” are we talking about?

Also, Dara is co-ed. Aren’t the boys a problem too? As well, I presume that this bus is at a specific time? I had a look at the ACTION website and the only school bus from Dara (and Brindabella Christian College – are they a problem too?) to Woden in the afternoon is the 642 which gets in to Woden at 4:11pm and from Merici are the 819 and 815 which are due in to Woden at 3:55 and 4:00pm.

My point is that there is a 318 due out of Woden at 4:05 so presumably these “girls” from both schools shouldn’t be on the same 318 bus as the Dara bus wouldn’t make it in in time. If they are then I suspect Merici would be interested as the girls might be hanging around the Woden shops in school uniform which I suspect is against school policy too.

In the immortal words of others who have posted on RA “photos or it didn’t happen”. Wait…… in this case that sounds wrong doesn’t it……… But, assuming that you have confronted the offenders (their parents don’t always know or condone of their misbehaviour), at least take photos and send them to the school. Also, since the ACTION bus isn’t moving at the time they are pushing in, I’m sure that the driver should be doing something to control behaviour so complain to ACTION.

2604 8:35 pm 03 Jun 11

Not sure why the OP had to make up a cock-and-bull story about catching the bus.

He/she could have just said “I’m against non-government education” and left it at that.

greenit 6:55 pm 03 Jun 11

Didn’t mean to intimate that schools were unable to provide guidance – our schools are fabulous, but , parents should also provide role models, and unfortunately they don’t always do this.

Jethro 6:29 pm 03 Jun 11

greenit said :

It is just about good manners, and unfortunately Australian society (not just the young on Action buses) is losing the ability to ascertain what is appropriate behaviour in our daily lives – don’t expect schools to teach us – how about parents take some responsibility, but they are rude too, and pass this on to their children…

The schools comment isn’t really fair. We spend a lot of time trying to instil kids with ideas about manners and courtesy. Unfortunately, we are fighting an uphill battle because the message coming from large parts of society is that manners don’t matter.

greenit 6:10 pm 03 Jun 11

It is just about good manners, and unfortunately Australian society (not just the young on Action buses) is losing the ability to ascertain what is appropriate behaviour in our daily lives – don’t expect schools to teach us – how about parents take some responsibility, but they are rude too, and pass this on to their children…

I was very impressed on a recent trip to Hong Kong, that on the metro, young people gave up their seats to older people, pregnant women, and people carrying babies promptly. This is respect that we used to have in Australian society!

GardeningGirl 5:44 pm 03 Jun 11

lumpy said :

My next big gripe with common courtesy is the inability of people to share a footpath. The amount of times I have had to resort to walking in gravel/mud/rough terrain all for the sake of two gas-bagging people not wanting to interrupt their conversation by taking a step behind their friend. Only the other week, I was forced into a bush because a group of afternoon walkers refused to adhere to the keep left politeness.

Maybe I was raised too well, but I think manners have fallen extremely short of people these days. But hey, I’m 23 years old with the outlook of a 70 year old.

Yep, never understood that attitude of we get to hog the path two or three abreast while you’re welcome to jump in the garden bed, gutter, side street, whatever.

Jethro 5:43 pm 03 Jun 11

lumpy said :

My next big gripe with common courtesy is the inability of people to share a footpath. The amount of times I have had to resort to walking in gravel/mud/rough terrain all for the sake of two gas-bagging people not wanting to interrupt their conversation by taking a step behind their friend. Only the other week, I was forced into a bush because a group of afternoon walkers refused to adhere to the keep left politeness.

Maybe I was raised too well, but I think manners have fallen extremely short of people these days. But hey, I’m 23 years old with the outlook of a 70 year old.

No you’re not. Plenty of people in their twenties are very well mannered. Plenty of teens are too. We just like to focus on the crappy ones (and if I may have my rant at the ill-manners that annoy me the most, it is those who like to leave all of their food rubbish on the tables in the food court… put it in the bin you lazy bastards. I shouldn’t have to clear up your mess so I can eat my food)

SheepGroper 5:02 pm 03 Jun 11

lumpy said :

My next big gripe with common courtesy is the inability of people to share a footpath. The amount of times I have had to resort to walking in gravel/mud/rough terrain all for the sake of two gas-bagging people not wanting to interrupt their conversation by taking a step behind their friend. Only the other week, I was forced into a bush because a group of afternoon walkers refused to adhere to the keep left politeness.

Just stop and allow them to flow around you, keeping elbows ready to stop them bumping into you if they’re really unable to see you there. It works and it can be amusing seeing the expression of a person who thinks you’ve just materialised out of thin air.

Jivrashia 4:24 pm 03 Jun 11

The Frots said :

When I was a kid (c. 1830’s)

HOLD THE PRESS.

We just recorded the oldest blogger in the world….!

lumpy 4:21 pm 03 Jun 11

My next big gripe with common courtesy is the inability of people to share a footpath. The amount of times I have had to resort to walking in gravel/mud/rough terrain all for the sake of two gas-bagging people not wanting to interrupt their conversation by taking a step behind their friend. Only the other week, I was forced into a bush because a group of afternoon walkers refused to adhere to the keep left politeness.

Maybe I was raised too well, but I think manners have fallen extremely short of people these days. But hey, I’m 23 years old with the outlook of a 70 year old.

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