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Speeding fines in the ACT?

By Juliagulia 17 October 2010 70

My sister in law received a speeding fine in the mail recently, after a visit to Canberra.

She was clocked at 91 in an 80 zone  and received a fine of $745.00.

Is this normal for the ACT?

It was not during a double demerit period and she was on the main road near Cockington Green.


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ConanOfCooma 10:26 am 27 Oct 10

There’s a sign. It says “Speed Camera Ahead”. You read it. You slow down. You do not get booked.

Pretty simple.

georgesgenitals 11:28 pm 19 Oct 10

Holden Caulfield said :

I’m trying to think what sort of crap anti-lock brake system won’t allow you to steer a car during an emergency braking procedure … erm, that’s kind of the point of ABS, it prevents your tyres/wheels from locking up/skidding so that a degree of steering control can be maintained.

If the front wheels lock up, you’ll have zero steering regardless of where the wheels point. With ABS, you will have some steering ability, but because much of the front tyres’ traction is consumed with stopping, you won’t have normal levels of steering traction. Tyres have a finite amount of traction.

http://www.mrfizzix.com/autoracing/tiresgrip.htm

Holden Caulfield 11:09 pm 19 Oct 10

I’m trying to think what sort of crap anti-lock brake system won’t allow you to steer a car during an emergency braking procedure … erm, that’s kind of the point of ABS, it prevents your tyres/wheels from locking up/skidding so that a degree of steering control can be maintained.

I know I’ve been able to manage it on the driver training courses I have done. In fact they have had tests set up specifically to illustrate this point.

OpenYourMind 10:56 pm 19 Oct 10

Ken Block and Stirling Moss are both legends, however they are mere mortals in the shadow of Captain RAAF.

Apparently the Stig has a tee-shirt saying “I am Captain RAAF”.

Wraith 8:50 pm 19 Oct 10

Whilst Ken Block is a god, I still think the report of Stirling Moss doing an interview whilst driving in England, in a Jaguar road car, at 100Mph, through a tunnel corner, letting the arse drift and then reaching over and changing the radio station leaving one hand on the wheel was the best one for me.

I’ve been trying for years, can’t quite emulate that one yet.

OpenYourMind 5:39 pm 19 Oct 10

sirocco, you forget that Captain RAAF is no ordinary driver. His driving prowess puts him in the elite 10%. He is considering modifying his car by completely removing the braking system, his psychic-like forward vision of the roads is such that the merest sniff of a potential obstacle results in the mighty Captain hitting full throttle and plotting 43 potential courses to safety.

Captain RAAF taught this man to drive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TshFWSsrn8
and failed him for low skill levels.

How dare you deign to take to the roads if you don’t posses the skill levels of the good Captain.

Jim Jones 3:49 pm 19 Oct 10

It’s called the moth effect.

Woody Mann-Caruso 3:12 pm 19 Oct 10

I strongly disagree!

Fortunately, reality remains intact irrespective of your personal views.

I do this without thinking as I’m sure a lot of other people do.

Truer words were never spoken, Captain. It’s great that you can sum your entire ethos in so few words. You are blessed.

sirocco 2:49 pm 19 Oct 10

Captain RAAF said :

Who follows a roo as it jumps across the road, who in their right mind steers ‘towards’ the accident? Unable to take my eyes off the lonely tree, I ploughed into it!

…..

I do this without thinking as I’m sure a lot of other people do. It doesn’t take effort, you just do it, like you don’t have to tell your legs to walk, they just do it, so everything you are saying is just alien to me so forgive me if I don’t subscribe to it.

Motorcyclists are taught to turn their head and look to where they want to turn the bike, the rest of the body (and the bike) will naturally follow. They do it without thinking (just like you said)

It might not be as extreme but why would it be any different with car drivers?

Mr Gillespie 2:08 pm 19 Oct 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

They’re going ahead with the point-to-point speed cameras here in the ACT regardless of the problems in Victoria.

Love to hear what kind of pathetic ’emergency’ excuse you come up with for being busted by these, because the whining you came up with for red light and speed cameras was epic.

“Well, it was raining, and then the light was yellow…um…and then…and then, a TERRORIST was in the back set of my car, and he pointed a gun at my head, and he FORCED me to speed, and that’s why we shouldn’t have point to point cameras, your Worhipfulness. Not that I care, because the law doesn’t apply to me anyway. In conclusion, it’s…it’s the vibe, it’s Mabo, it’s…it’s the vibe.”

So, it doesn’t matter if the clocks were out of sync, you really weren’t in fact speeding, you just have to cop the fine because these cameras say so.

I doubt if I am alone in my “epic whining about speed and red-light cameras”. There are plenty of other people out there who are prepared to have “an epic whinge” about speed cameras, you mark my words!

It has nothing to do with “emergency excuses”, mate! I find your blind faith in the system — a system that milks money out of people for no good reason — rather disturbing!!

Captain RAAF 12:07 pm 19 Oct 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Interestingly, the instructors said you’re actually very unlikely to steer to avoid an obstacle at any decent speed. Instead, you’re actually more likely to follow it with your eyes, your hands will keep pace and you’ll steer _into_ it, a familiar situation for anybody who’s followed a roo across the road from left to right by turning the wheel in the same direction. Seems this is why you see cars ploughed into lonely trees and light poles – unable to take your eyes off the obstacle you so desperately want to miss, you hit it.

I strongly disagree!

Who follows a roo as it jumps across the road, who in their right mind steers ‘towards’ the accident? Unable to take my eyes off the lonely tree, I ploughed into it!

If something jumps out or pops up in front of me on the road, I steer away from it, it’s just instinctive. I did this just the other day when a fool decided to brake heavily for no reason, a quick jerk of the wheel and I was around him. Now, why wasn’t I transfixed by his quality tail light arrangement and plough on into him?

I remember once, on the way from Brisbane to Darwin, at night I had a wallaby jump out in front of me, there was a car coming towards me so I couldn’t swerve to the right without causing a head on so went to the left and just clipped the little bugger and the poor car coming towards me ran straight into it as he hopped into his lane. Now why didn’t I swerve to the right and follow the wallaby’s direction of travel and die in a head on accident in 1990? I’ll tell you why, because it was night time, I knew the wildlife would be active, I knew there was a car coming towards me and I had, subcontiously, prepared myself for just such an eventuality to occur.

I do this without thinking as I’m sure a lot of other people do. It doesn’t take effort, you just do it, like you don’t have to tell your legs to walk, they just do it, so everything you are saying is just alien to me so forgive me if I don’t subscribe to it.

georgesgenitals 11:53 am 19 Oct 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Interestingly, the instructors said you’re actually very unlikely to steer to avoid an obstacle at any decent speed. Instead, you’re actually more likely to follow it with your eyes, your hands will keep pace and you’ll steer _into_ it, a familiar situation for anybody who’s followed a roo across the road from left to right by turning the wheel in the same direction. Seems this is why you see cars ploughed into lonely trees and light poles – unable to take your eyes off the obstacle you so desperately want to miss, you hit it.

That is interesting.

There’s been a couple of times years ago when driving a non-ABS car where I had to avoid something at speed and locked the wheels completely, but turned the steering wheel and then released the brakes and managed to miss it, although the success of this was probably more down to having enough room around the car than anything else.

It would be good for all drivers to do a similar course to yours, just to get an appreciation of how long it can really take to pull up a car.

shadow boxer 11:42 am 19 Oct 10

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Heard the latest? They’re going ahead with the point-to-point speed cameras here in the ACT regardless of the problems in Victoria. The greedy pigs in the ACT Government here are confident they won’t get the clock sync errors Victoria did. Money, money, money. Cash cows I tellya. I’d say revenue-raising from so-called “speeding fines” are an addiction governments suffer from, and I can’t see such an addiction being shaken off soon, at least as far as the ACT Government is concerned……

It really is quite simple; if you don’t want to pay a speeding fine, don’t speed. They are not “so called speeding fines” they are simply speeding fines.

I think it is great that it is used as a revenue raiser by the ACT – much better than raising rates or bus fares

*sigh*

Mr Gillespie said :

Heard the latest? They’re going ahead with the point-to-point speed cameras here in the ACT regardless of the problems in Victoria. The greedy pigs in the ACT Government here are confident they won’t get the clock sync errors Victoria did. Money, money, money. Cash cows I tellya. I’d say revenue-raising from so-called “speeding fines” are an addiction governments suffer from, and I can’t see such an addiction being shaken off soon, at least as far as the ACT Government is concerned……

It really is quite simple; if you don’t want to pay a speeding fine, don’t speed. They are not “so called speeding fines” they are simply speeding fines.

I think it is great that it is used as a revenue raiser by the ACT – much better than raising rates or bus fares

Woody Mann-Caruso 10:55 am 19 Oct 10

Woody – when you did this training did anyone try to work out how far away an object had to be (at, say 60km/h) before it could be avoided?

The general figures we were given for straight line hard breaking (for clear, dry conditions in a medium sedan with ABS, driver reaction time 1 second) were half the speed limit: 30m in a 60 zone, 25m in a 50 zone, 20m in a 40 zone. These figures were given with a strong caution that they were pretty much optimal (and rounded); in practice, you’ll likely do worse – road surface, tyre wear, distracted, probably doing a few km over the limit, slower reaction time. This ‘50%’ rule also only hold at these relatively low speeds (for example, at 80km/h your distance to stop is 50m / 60%; at 90km/h it’s 60m / 66%; at 100km/h it’s 70m / 70%). The importance of road surface and vehicle size was driven home at a different course with RAV4s on the wet and on dirt – it was dead cones every time at speeds we could manage in the Protons on dry bitumen.

With a 1 second reaction time, it would be impossible to avoid an obstacle closer than 15m at 50/60 km/h – that’s the distance you cover during the 1 second, so you’re pretty much guaranteed to hit it at full speed just as you start to brake or steer. This drops to 10m (?) at 40 km/h.

At some point beyond this (once your speed is quite low), you’ll be able to ’95 brake’ (almost to the floor), ease to transfer control back to the steering wheel (the amount you ease equals the amount you transfer – 50% brake = 50% at the wheel), steer to avoid, then reapply the brakes. After an afternoon of practice we were getting better at it, and I actually used the technique about a week after the course to avoid a prang in Barton, but in the real world after months without application? *shrug* Hence the warning to drive under the assumption that in real life, you’ll simply plant your foot and pray to the ABS gods.

Interestingly, the instructors said you’re actually very unlikely to steer to avoid an obstacle at any decent speed. Instead, you’re actually more likely to follow it with your eyes, your hands will keep pace and you’ll steer _into_ it, a familiar situation for anybody who’s followed a roo across the road from left to right by turning the wheel in the same direction. Seems this is why you see cars ploughed into lonely trees and light poles – unable to take your eyes off the obstacle you so desperately want to miss, you hit it.

Captain RAAF 10:21 am 19 Oct 10

Hmmm…we only need to get all the cars off the roads for a month or two to see the Government break itself when the speed camera money dries up…..but how do we do that?

I’m putting my faith in a spate of bridge collapses, flash flooding and heightened levels of Magpie attacks to leave us all cowering in our loungerooms, peering out the windows from behind heavy curtains at our cars that lie forlornly in the driveway, leaving only roaming packs of kamikazi cyclists to control the roads with their own brand of rules, lead by a man only known as ‘CRK’, that is until one day, a bloke in a big old Falcon dares to hit the rubber road to strike the iron roadworthy, loudly exclaiming,

“Captain RAAF, he knows who I am!!!”

Woody Mann-Caruso 10:18 am 19 Oct 10

They’re going ahead with the point-to-point speed cameras here in the ACT regardless of the problems in Victoria.

Love to hear what kind of pathetic ’emergency’ excuse you come up with for being busted by these, because the whining you came up with for red light and speed cameras was epic.

“Well, it was raining, and then the light was yellow…um…and then…and then, a TERRORIST was in the back set of my car, and he pointed a gun at my head, and he FORCED me to speed, and that’s why we shouldn’t have point to point cameras, your Worhipfulness. Not that I care, because the law doesn’t apply to me anyway. In conclusion, it’s…it’s the vibe, it’s Mabo, it’s…it’s the vibe.”

Mr Gillespie 9:31 am 19 Oct 10

Heard the latest? They’re going ahead with the point-to-point speed cameras here in the ACT regardless of the problems in Victoria. The greedy pigs in the ACT Government here are confident they won’t get the clock sync errors Victoria did. Money, money, money. Cash cows I tellya. I’d say revenue-raising from so-called “speeding fines” are an addiction governments suffer from, and I can’t see such an addiction being shaken off soon, at least as far as the ACT Government is concerned……

Bananabanana 9:51 pm 18 Oct 10

How about that one on the Federal Highway at Watson.
“Welcome to Canberra. Thanks for coming to our fair city. Now here’s your speeding ticket”.

Jono 6:45 pm 18 Oct 10

Captain RAAF said :

… the 90% crowd, which I aint in!…

Sorry Captain, your comments have well and truly demonstrated that you’re in the 95%+ of drivers who genuinely believe that they’re better than the average driver. So when you’re in traffic, almost all of those drivers are, in fact, just like you.

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