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Teachers’ choice: money or jobs

By nyssa76 - 8 March 2006 56

I “stole” the headline from today’s CT article.

Honestly, I don’t see the problem in teaching an “extra” 2hrs 40mins (high school). It means that more can be covered in the curriculum. If classtimes are extended by an extra 10mins each lesson then there wouldn’t be a need for teachers to lose jobs – it’s scare tactics by the AEU. Nor would there be an “increased workload” – you’re still teaching the same students, just for a longer period.

“It would also lead to a greater workload for teachers, larger classes, less curriculum diversity and poorer educational outcomes for students.”

If that’s the case (which I don’t believe it to be) then we can get rid of the teachers who shouldn’t be in the job. Who needs colleagues (and I use the term loosely) who don’t do their jobs but are willing to take the money?

I don’t agree on strike action (I think everyone who reads RA would know this already). It’s like a child throwing a tantrum.

I also don’t believe those higher up on the pay scale need more than $68K to do the same job as teachers who earn $52K. I am not talking about executive teachers here. Is it more about the money than the conditions? I believe so.

I’d like to know what parents would think of extended class times and what impact it would have on the students learning. However, this hasn’t been researched and so it still becomes a scare tactic.

I await the strike action…..what a waste.

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Nome 7:51 pm 30 Aug 11

It is unfortunate that in the 21st century we are producing students that have less numeracy and literacy skills than previous generations who attended the same level. All this despite significant access and increase to information for both students and teachers. The education sector is a bureaucracy that does not respond well to change. Until the education system starts to live in the real world and not in the academically removed theoretical space not much will change.

I would encourage parents to actively get involved in their child’s education and the school boards to start to drive change from the bottom up. I believe this is why we are seeing a major shift from public (known to some as socialist institutions) to private schools who have just that little more autonomy and appear more accountable to the students and their parents.

nyssa76 7:19 pm 10 Mar 06

They’re going on strike on Tuesday….just thought I would give ppl a heads up.

nyssa76 6:39 am 10 Mar 06

Well I go back to work and there’s more 🙂

Chalker, believe me I am finding the Non-Govt system very attractive atm. I can apply for my position permanently at the end of the school year. I will, but I will also apply to DFAT.

I was once told to “take sides” by my fellow *cough* colleagues. I told them to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. We’re here to teach students not act like them.

schmerica, yes we should support teachers, but sometimes teachers don’t support teachers and THAT’S when teachers leave the profession.

The number of ex-teachers I know who have left in the last two years I can’t count on two hands.

If lunch is shortened, then schools would still finish at the same time.

I still find the whole concept of striking similar to a tantrum. I don’t believe in “performance pay” either, but I do believe in getting rid of the arseholes in the profession who shouldn’t be there.

They are the ones forcing the good teachers out of the system.

Oh the stories….

Thumper 12:43 pm 09 Mar 06

The Brian principle?

johnboy 12:05 pm 09 Mar 06

I thought it was the dilbert principle?

caf 11:55 am 09 Mar 06

“However, I’m sure you get incompetents being promoted above their level of ability in all organisations.”

Yep Chalker, it’s called the Peter Principle.

schmerica 9:26 am 09 Mar 06

We should be supporting these teachers – not making them bargin. These teachers are the one’s who are making sure the next generation of Australians arnt illiterate and can’t do simple math problems. An extra 10 min a day is actually quite a long time for kids. I work at an after school care program for two schools, one school finishes 10min earlier than the other. One being 3pm the other 3:10. That 10 min is quite a long time for some kids. I have parents of kids that go to the 3:10 school who wish that they simply finished at 3:00 because that last 10 min drags on and the kids hate it. This is only primary school though, where yes, 10 min can certainly feel like a lifetime to these kids. And cutting down lunch times? Getting the kids out of the classroom and running around actually helps their learning! Why are we cutting it down?

I don’t think its very fair to look at increasing the school hours – it’s not fair on the teachers (who already do SO much more than simply turn up at 8:30am and leave at 4:30pm) or the students who will suffer from this too.


Chalker 8:38 am 09 Mar 06

Bonfire, a 30 minute lunch break would honestly be little different to a one hour lunch break, in fact in some ways it would be better. I currently don’t eat my lunch in that lunch hour most days – either because I have playground duty, or I’m in the photocopy room, or I have kids on detention, or I have a meeting, or etc. Teachers are already effectively tied to their workplace all day with the concept of duty of care. Even if you are not teaching at a particualr moment, you are made to feel incredibly guilty (or maybe that’s just me) if you want to go out to lunch. It really does feel almost like you are sneaking out when you leave school grounds, even if it’s for something like a doctors appointment.

nyssa76, You’ve just made private schools sound more attractive again. I could handle teaching 6 out of 8, but not 6 out of 7.

Thumper and nyssa76, you’re not wrong about some of the teachers out there, schools can be highly political and clique (sp?) – almost feels as though I was in school… However, I’m sure you get incompetents being promoted above their level of ability in all organisations.

Ultimately, would I like more pay? Yes.
Would I be prepared to trade away conditions to get it? No.
Would I be prepared to accept a lower pay rise with an improvement to condidtions? Yes.

Mr Evil 7:50 am 09 Mar 06

“Mr Evil, I’d like to see that too but you’d have to cut subject parity and get rid of the PC BS that is currently in the curriculum.”

Nyssa, I agree wholeheartedly on this one. The whole P.C trip is ruining education (and workplaces!) in many ways.

“Only now has Clive Haggar brought up the need to retain younger teachers……”

I’ve always found this issue very interesting. Many Teachers (and Nurses!) aren’t staying in their chosen field for very long after they’re complete their training/studies, and yet the only solution that the Govt/Unions/’experts’ ever seem to come up with is to offer to fund more places for training new teachers (or nurses) whilst never bothering to look at retaining the ones they’ve already got.

Mind you, you only have to look at some of the ill-disciplined, arrogant, spoilt and destructive little brats running around to understand why people don’t want to teach anymore!

nyssa76 7:23 am 09 Mar 06

missymagoo, you should be thankful that you don’t live in Japan then. Kids come home from school and homework school as late as 9pm. Hence the reason why we are “always” behind Asian countries in educational testing – bar literacy.

If they take time away from lunch, then there won’t be a longer school day. They’ll still finish at 3pm/3:10pm/3:15pm (whatever time an individual school finishes for the day).

missymagoo 6:52 am 09 Mar 06

my 6 yr old son leaves home on the school bus at 8.05 am starts school at 9.10 am
finishes school at 3.10 pm and arrives home at 3.50 pm
I think he is away from home long enough
once he does his homework adn chores on the farm plays has tea a bath and i read him a book and just spend time with him it is 7.30pm and time for bed
a pretty long day in anyones book especially for a little boy
longer school hours i dont think so

nyssa76 6:52 am 09 Mar 06

I have thought about doing my Doctorate and the topic would be – how the impact of the transfer round affects teachers within the first 5 years of teaching.

Or something like that.

I am still going to apply for DFAT. You never know and after two years, I’d be overseas….which would be nice.

I’m at that stage where I am losing faith in the teaching profession because of other teachers and it makes me wonder how many good teachers (not that I call myself good) leave the job.

I’d like to see the AEU address that, but their too busy throwing tantrums.

Thumper 10:57 pm 08 Mar 06

DFAT, Geez, I’m not smart enough to work for those guys…

AUSAID however is interesting and I’m certainly watching out for those jobs, but without a paycut. I can’t afford it….

nyssa76 10:52 pm 08 Mar 06

Believe me, DFAT is an option for next year. They are also taking graduates from now until April. I’ll take a pay cut….

Thumper 10:45 pm 08 Mar 06

That’s okay. I’m quite happy where I am now. good pay, good conditions….

Private schools would have been good to try but I really was over it. Thus, the life of a public servant these days for me.

nyssa76 10:29 pm 08 Mar 06

Thumper, what makes it worse is those arseholes are promoted etc.

I almost quit teaching last year after one person was a complete arsehole to several staff and was then promoted.

Hence my sea change to Non-Govt schools (well for this year).

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